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    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) The No. 1 pick in the draft and the guy with two MVP trophies and a Super Bowl ring stood in the back when the New York Giants offense began its drills at minicamp Monday.

    Instead, "The Bachelor" led the way.
    Jesse Palmer, who gained fame for his appearance on the reality TV show this summer, is currently the starting quarterback ahead of Eli Manning and Kurt Warner.

    No one expects that to last, of course, not with Warner brought in last week to tutor the latest heir to the Manning quarterback dynasty. But long enough for Palmer to impress new coach Tom Coughlin.

    "He has responded very well to the coaching and to what he has been asked to do," Coughlin said. "He is the guy who has really done a very good job of doing exactly what he has been coached to do."

    In some ways, it's a surprise that Palmer is still a Giant after three years as a backup to the departed Kerry Collins - he was unimpressive after getting his first three starts last season when Collins sprained an ankle. Then it appeared that Coughlin and the team's new coaching staff were less than impressed that Palmer was involved in reality television when he should have been studying the team's new playbook.

    In fact, some people were surprised that he wasn't let go when Warner was signed last Thursday - journeyman Kurt Kittner went instead. And he still might not make the team - Manning and Warner are sure things and rookie Jared Lorenzen and NFL Europe star Ryan Van Dyke are also on the roster.

    But there he was on Monday with the first unit while Warner and Manning each waited their turn. And there apparently is some thought that when the season starts, he could back up Warner while Manning learns as the third stringer. That's how Carson Palmer, last year's overall No. 1 pick, learned in Cincinnati last season, beginning the season as the third-stringer behind Jon Kitna and Shane Matthews and moving up to No. 2 in October.

    Jesse Palmer, a fourth-round draft pick in 2001, doesn't have close to the football credentials of the other two - he's far better known as "The Bachelor" than for anything he's done on the football field. Even at Florida under Steve Spurrier, he was only a part-time QB.

    Warner, meanwhile, was the NFL's MVP in 1999 and 2001 and the MVP of the Super Bowl played in 2000. Manning is the latest product of the NFL's first family of quarterbacks and his brother, Peyton, was co-MVP of the league last season with the Colts.

    Palmer insisted Monday that his television career never detracted from his preparation for football.

    "The taping for the show was in the offseason," he said. "It ended in March and I've been working out and studying ever since. My head is right back in the game. I think I learned a lot starting late last season and I think I've learned a lot from the new coaching staff. They can see the tapes of what I've done - not only in regular-season games but in past preseasons."

    For now, Coughlin is impressed. If nothing else, that would indicate that if Palmer's future with the Giants is limited, he is likely to catch on elsewhere if he's cut -the coaching grapevine would probably guarantee that.

    "His ball handling is improved, his awareness has improved and obviously he has studied because he responds very well to spontaneous questions," Coughlin said. "He has done a good job."

    Good enough to start in the regular season?

    Not permanently, at least not for the Giants - unless Warner goes down early and Manning doesn't develop as quickly as the Giants hope.

    But good enough to ensure that he has a career beyond reality television

  • #2
    Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

    Any hidden agenda in making this post? Just checking. Non-Warnerites seem to have a continuing fascination with what Warner is doing in New York. LOL


    • #3
      Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

      Maybe it's more about Jesse Palmer than Warner.


      • #4
        Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

        Hmmmm. More about Jesse Palmer? I guess I'll have to take your word for it Tx.


        • #5
          Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

          Any QB in college who consistently beat Tennessee, as Palmer did at Florida, always has a soft spot in my heart.



          • #6
            Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

            Originally posted by txramsfan
            Any QB in college who consistently beat Tennessee, as Palmer did at Florida, always has a soft spot in my heart.

            Spoken like a true Tiger.
            The more things change, the more they stay the same.


            • #7
              Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

              OK Tx. I'm sure you'll keep us all updated on Jesse Palmers status as a Giant since he has a soft spot in your heart. Imagine that, having a soft spot for a quarterback on another team. LOL


              • #8
                Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

                my hatred for Tennessee is only rivaled by my hatred for the whiners. It's neck and neck.....bison


                • #9
                  Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

                  I understand completely. I've been known to hate a team or two myself.


                  • #10
                    Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

                    Originally posted by txramsfan
                    my hatred for Tennessee is only rivaled by my hatred for the whiners. It's neck and neck.....bison
                    There's nothing more obnoxious than the Orange McDonald's next to the UT campus...except maybe the Vol Navy, bunch of rich punks.
                    The more things change, the more they stay the same.


                    • #11
                      Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

                      Originally posted by r8rh8rmike
                      Imagine that, having a soft spot for a quarterback on another team. LOL
                      I still say he got you there, tx....LOL

                      Curly ~ Horns


                      • #12
                        Re: "The Bachelor" is the #1 QB....for now

                        Well, maybe....I'll never fess up to it though.....LOL

                        Now, if someone would come on here bad lipping London Fletcher.....ohhhhhh watch out......



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                        • WisRamsFan
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                          by WisRamsFan
                          Warner becomes caretaker QB until Manning ready

                          By TOM CANAVAN, AP Sports Writer
                          June 3, 2004
                          EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- The New York Giants are taking some of the pressure off Eli Manning , signing Kurt Warner to be their caretaker quarterback until the top pick in the draft is ready to take over.

                          While the two-time MVP got a two-year contract late Wednesday that will pay him a minimum of $3.5 million this year, there is no guarantee the two-time NFL MVP will play for the Giants for more than a year.

                          When Manning is ready to go, he will be the Giants' quarterback.


                          Until then, the job seemingly belongs to Warner, the soon-to-be 33-year-old who led the St. Louis Rams to Super Bowl appearances after the 1999 and 2001 seasons. Injuries and the emergence of Marc Bulger earned him a pink slip on Tuesday.

                          ``I am looking to come in and to play and to re-establish myself,'' Warner said at Thursday, hours after his first practice. ``I would love this to be where I finish my career.''

                          Warner has incentives that can push his salary to $8 million this season. However, the second year of his contract is voidable and his tenure may well be determined by Manning's progress in his rookie season.

                          ``I don't want to keep moving and picking up my family,'' Warner added. ``I want to continue to have success. I would love it to be here in New York and I will do whatever in my time here to be successful. We'll just see what happens.''

                          ``Obviously Manning is there, but this is New York and if Kurt wins, they are not going to want him to leave,'' said Mark Bartelstein, Warner's agent.

                          The signing takes a ton of pressure off Manning.

                          The son of Archie Manning and the brother of Colts quarterback Peyton Manning became the Giants' starting quarterback when Kerry Collins refused to take a pay cut and was released less than a week after New York got the No. 1 pick in a draft-day trade with San Diego.

                          Manning, who has known for weeks the Giants planned to sign a veteran, still plans on competing for the starting job.

                          ``I don't know if this takes the pressure off,'' Manning said. ``I don't know if anything has changed in my view. I am still going to practice just as hard as ever. I want to be ready.''

                          Manning and Warner spoke for a few minutes on Thursday. Warner plans to tutor Manning, just as he did with Bulger in St. Louis.

                          ``To teach a guy the little things and have him become a better quarterback was fun for me, as frustrating as it was not playing,'' Warner said. ``But I look forward to helping any way I can.''

                          Warner also is looking forward to playing again. He suffered a concussion in a season-opening loss to the Giants last season and did not start for the rest of the year. He...
                          -06-03-2004, 02:58 PM
                        • r8rh8rmike
                          Interesting Takes From Warner & Coughlin
                          by r8rh8rmike
                          Wednesday, June 9, 2004

                          By Sal Paolantonio
                          Special to

                          EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- You can see it in his eyes. Kurt Warner's eyes are wide open, revealing the happiness of a man who has emerged from the long slumber of lost opportunity.

                          "I feel completely re-energized," said Warner, as he came off the field after his first mini-camp practice with his new team, the New York Giants.

                          Warner lacked some zip on his passes during practices.
                          Rewind to Giants Stadium, Week 1 last year. Under constant pressure from Michael Strahan and company, Warner was sacked six times and fumbled six times, and started his last game for the St. Louis Rams. Sitting on the trainer's table in the visitors' locker room at Giants Stadium that Sunday afternoon, Warner had just been diagnosed with a mild concussion and his eyes had the vacant look of a man who had just bought a one-way ticket down the rabbit hole.

                          The contrast between Warner then and Warner now couldn't be more stark. And the situation couldn't be more ironic -- the team that ended his season has now handed Warner a chance at NFL redemption.

                          It's no wonder that Warner has displayed the same wide-eyed eagerness of the former stock boy from Iowa who emerged from NFL Europe and replaced the injured Trent Green to re-write the history of Rams football in St. Louis.

                          "Normally, the player will sit down and will have to talk to his agent on the phone," said Giants head coach Tom Coughlin. "He said, 'I don't want any of this. Let's get this done.' He signed right away. He was down the hall, looking for coaches, saying 'Let's go meet.' He wanted to get himself immersed in this offense right away."

                          There is good reason for Warner to be anxious. Coming to New York means that Warner, who will be 33 on June 22, will be under-going several mid-life, mid-course adjustments.

                          He must adjust to the demands of Coughlin's offense, which shall we say is a bit more conservative than the Greatest Show on Turf choreographed by Mike Martz. And Warner will be learning the new offense with a newly minted franchise quarterback, Eli Manning, looking over his shoulder.

                          The Giants invested two first-round draft picks and expended a lot of public relations good will to acquire Manning in a trade with San Diego in this year's NFL draft. Some see Warner as the perfect mentor for Manning, or at least a temporary diversion so that Manning can incubate his talents without being over-exposed by the white, hot lights of the New York media.

                          Warner will have none of that. You can tell by the tone and conviction in his voice that, for Warner, this is not about Peyton Manning's little brother.

                          "Obviously, I'm coming in to...
                          -06-10-2004, 04:07 PM
                        • Nick
                          SI: Coughlin picked the wrong time to replace Warner with Manning at QB
                          by Nick
                          Coughlin picked the wrong time to replace Warner with Manning at QB
                          Posted: Tuesday November 16, 2004 11:17AM;
                          Updated: Tuesday November 16, 2004 1:29PM

                          New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin announced the news in his typically stern manner. Eli Manning is the future of his team, Coughlin said during his Monday afternoon press conference, and the future is starting now. He talked about Manning's preparation and attitude and made it seem as if the rookie quarterback was ready to lead a team that is in a mind-boggling free-fall. But Coughlin didn't sound confident. He sounded desperate. And if he thinks Eli Manning is going to change the Giants' fortunes, he's about to be seriously disappointed.

                          It's one thing for the New York media to clamor for Manning to replace struggling starter Kurt Warner. But for Coughlin to move to Manning now -- with the Giants sitting at 5-4 in a conference in which nine victories might secure a playoff spot -- smacks of sheer lunacy.

                          What exactly does Manning bring to the Giants offense that Warner didn't? He's just as immobile as Warner, which means he'll be sitting in the pocket and probably taking as many sacks as Warner did over the last four weeks. That's the reality of playing behind an offensive line that has started to perform as poorly as many people expected it would when the season began. Manning certainly won't take better care of the football than Warner did last Sunday, when he didn't not give the ball away in a 17-14 loss to Arizona. Warner atoned for a four-turnover performance a week earlier by not giving the ball away once in a loss to Arizona. And the last time I checked, Manning wasn't playing both ways, so he couldn't help a defense that has blown double-digit leads against offensively challenged teams in consecutive weeks.

                          There are countless issues for the Giants to address but apparently Manning is the man who will have to overcome them. It's a difficult position to place him in. He's only played in two games, both when the outcomes were clearly decided, so he'll have little feel for the action. He also didn't look so hot in his season-opening debut in relief of Warner, when Philadelphia Eagles defensive end Jerome McDougle hit him so hard that Manning briefly resembled a life-sized Bobblehead doll. Coughlin wisely stuck with Warner as his starter after that game, if for no other reason than that it made more sense for a 33-year-old quarterback to take that kind of abuse than the first pick in the draft. Now Manning is surely going to face worse treatment.

                          His first opponent up will be Atlanta, a team that had seven sacks in a win over Tampa Bay last Sunday. He then gets an Eagles defense that will be blitzing him all afternoon. Then comes Washington, Baltimore and Pittsburgh, three teams that all rank among the NFL's top five defensive units. If people thought Warner was having problems moving the offense,...
                          -11-16-2004, 12:31 PM
                        • RamWraith
                          Kurt Warner beat out NFL No. 1 draft pic
                          by RamWraith
                          Associated Press

                          EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Two-time MVP Kurt Warner beat out NFL No. 1 draft pick Eli Manning to be the New York Giants' starting quarterback.

                          Coach Tom Coughlin announced his decision Sunday, citing Warner's experience and recent play for keeping the $45 million rookie on the bench for the Sept. 12 opener against Philadelphia Eagles.

                          Two-time NFL MVP Kurt Warner, signed in June, has looked more comfortable running the Giants' offense in preseason.

                          "I think this is the best choice," Coughlin said. "It's the choice which is in the best interest of the New York Giants."

                          The competition was close since training camp opened in late July. Warner, who was signed in June after being released by the St. Louis Rams, and Manning, the brother of co-MVP Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts, were on equal terms until Thursday's 17-7 loss to the Jets.

                          Warner was 9-of-11 for 104 yards in the game, leading the Giants to their only touchdown. Manning was 4-of-14 for 20 yards, with two interceptions and a fumble that was returned for a Jets touchdown.

                          After watching videotapes and mulling his choices, Coughlin informed Warner and Manning of his decision in separate meetings Sunday.

                          "I wasn't upset by it," said Manning, who hasn't been a backup since his redshirt freshman year at Mississippi in 2000, when Romaro Miller started. "I figured it might come. It doesn't change anything. I still have a lot to learn."

                          Coughlin has not announced who will start the preseason finale against Baltimore on Thursday at Giants Stadium.

                          Warner started the season opener for the Rams last year. He lost that job to Marc Bulger after a concussion and fumbling six times in a loss to the Giants.

                          "At times it was a little nerve-racking, wondering whether this or that played into it," Warner said, referring to the decision Sunday. "It was a distinct challenge for me, a new challenge for me and I think it helped to push and force me to learn this stuff at a little faster pace."

                          Pro Bowl defensive end Michael Strahan said he felt Warner's experience might have been the deciding factor.

                          "Eli is still a young quarterback, still a rookie, and still has a lot to learn," Strahan said. "When we went into it, everybody assumed that Kurt was going to start with Eli getting the opportunity later on."

                          Until Friday, Manning looked ready to start ahead of Warner.

                          "That is the first time he has experienced one of those nights, and he has to put the blinders on and he has to get back to work and try to understand what happened," Coughlin said after Friday night's loss to the Jets.
                          -08-29-2004, 11:21 AM
                        • Nick
                          Warner's benching shows that Rams made right choice - PD
                          by Nick
                          Warner's benching shows that Rams made right choice
                          By Bryan Burwell
                          Of the Post-Dispatch
                          Bryan Burwell
                          Post-Dispatch sports columnist Bryan Burwell

                          Back here in Kurt Warner's adopted home town, the varying opinions on
                          the cause and effects of the meteoric rise and fall of his storybook
                          football life always will be blurred under so many dreamy - and
                          divergent - emotional clouds. With all we know about him here, how
                          exactly do we reconcile the dramatic beginning that took him from
                          stocking supermarket shelves to NFL MVP to the unceremonious end that
                          has dropped him from heralded Super Bowl hero to declining

                          There always will be an unresolved emotional debate here, where the
                          polarizing after-effects of his departure from the Rams still conjure
                          a divisive chasm between the unadulterated Warner worshipers who
                          believe he left town too early and the unapologetic Warner bashers who
                          are convinced he left far too late.

                          But nine games into his comeback season in New York, far removed from
                          the agonizing two-year-long Rams soap opera, Warner has been benched
                          again in favor of another rising young passer. And now it's time to
                          face three unemotional facts:

                          Warner still can play.

                          Warner no longer can play at his two-time MVP level.

                          The Rams kept the right quarterback.

                          The evidence is there if you're objective enough to digest it. The
                          more you watched Warner play, the more you knew the star of the Rams'
                          glory years looks better suited for a more limited role as an aging
                          backup QB.

                          Giants head coach Tom Coughlin had no other choice but to bench him.
                          If the Giants' offense was going to struggle, it might as well
                          struggle with $46 million rookie passer Eli Manning getting some
                          valuable experience.

                          "(Manning) is the future of the New York Giants, it just starts now,"
                          Coughlin told reporters Monday. "I really felt the last four games we
                          haven't been playing well offensively. We just need to make a change."

                          This is why he could make the change with a clear heart.

                          In all the important categories that measure a quarterback's worth,
                          Warner has settled into a mediocre existence (15th in passer
                          efficiency rating, 13th in completions, 16th in pass attempts, 13th in
                          completion percentage, 14th in yardage, 27th in touchdown passes, 17th
                          in yards per attempt and last in times sacked). The only category in
                          which he is among the NFL leaders is in fewest interceptions (fourth).

                          Meanwhile, in those same categories, younger, more mobile Rams QB Marc
                          Bulger is decidedly better in every category but interceptions (Bulger...
                          -11-16-2004, 12:24 PM