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  • Postons are at it again...this time it's the whiners

    These guys are absolutely unbelievable......

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    SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) — The San Francisco ***** offered Julian Peterson the largest contract in franchise history, but general manager Terry Donahue doesn't expect it will be enough to sign the All-Pro linebacker to a long-term deal.

    Donahue did not reveal details of the offer, but he said it would include a team-record $15.5 million signing bonus.
    Peterson has been a no-show at each of San Francisco's three spring minicamps. Negotiations with Peterson's agents, Kevin and Carl Poston, have been at a standstill since the Niners placed the franchise tag on Peterson in February.

    The Niners made that move after Peterson declined a package that Donahue said would make the four-year veteran the second-highest paid linebacker in the NFL. The contract would trail only the seven-year, $50 million deal signed by Baltimore's Ray Lewis in 2002. That deal included a $19 million signing bonus.

    "I think we've made our intentions really clear," Donahue said. "Julian Peterson is an important part of the organization, and he is a player we would like to have here for the long term or we would have never made that kind of offer to him."

    Last season, Peterson led the Niners with seven sacks and three forced fumbles and was second on the team with 144 tackles. He was named to the Pro Bowl for the second consecutive year.

    The franchise tag prohibits Peterson from negotiating with any team except the *****.

    He has yet to sign the team's one-year tender offer of just over $6 million, which is the average salary of the five highest-paid players at Peterson's position.

    Negotiations between Peterson and the ***** cannot begin again until July 15.

    Donahue anticipates Peterson will holdout when training camp begins July 30.

    "Getting Julian Peterson into camp is important to us," Donahue said. "But at the same time, it is what it is. There really isn't a whole lot to discuss. I do not expect us to be in heavy negotiations (after July 15) or anything like that. We've gone where we can go. We've made a very, very competitive offer."

    Peterson's agents reportedly were asking for a deal that included $30 million in guaranteed money before talks broke off in February.

    When asked Wednesday if that figure was accurate, Donahue replied, "I don't know. I lost track."

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    Re: Postons are at it again...this time it's the whiners

    I can not believe these guys. What really gets me, why do players continue to ask them to be there agents?? And no offense to anyone, but is this a black thing?? Are they trying to keep the representation among the black community? I don't get it?


    • #3
      Re: Postons are at it again...this time it's the whiners

      Peterson's agents reportedly were asking for a deal that included $30 million in guaranteed money before talks broke off in February.
      These guys are incredible. I swear, why would any team draft a player represented by these idiots? Every interview I have heard or read with a team executive having to deal with the Postons, the exec. sounds completely frustrated and at the end of their rope. Why would any team (or player for that matter) want to deal with that?
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.


      • #4
        Re: Postons are at it again...this time it's the whiners

        Originally posted by RamWraith
        I can not believe these guys. What really gets me, why do players continue to ask them to be there agents??
        Wasn't there a report done showing that the Poston clients are the cellar dwellers of the Wonderlic world? So do the Postons intentionally go after the short-bus players or what?
        The more things change, the more they stay the same.


        • #5
          Re: Postons are at it again...this time it's the whiners

          What amazes me is why these players keep signing up with these clowns. In a perverse sort of way, maybe it's a good thing that these holdouts and screwups keep happening (except in the case of Big O, of course). It's just a matter of time before the Postons implode under the weight of their own stupidity.


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            Re: Postons are at it again...this time it's the whiners

            This was sent to the Rampagers a while back, and I thought would be appropriate given the topic...

            Be advised, don't have the kids around for this one.


            • #7
              Re: Postons are at it again...this time it's the whiners

              While i agree the postons are indeed bad news, what constantly amazes me is the size of the egos on some of the atheletes who are arrogant, conceeded and stupid enough to actually believe that the postons have their best interests at heart.
              Before signing up with the postons, every athelete should watch the movie entitled "The Ian Gold Story" and see how much they put at risk when they get hurt after turning down very substantial money that would secure the future for themselves and their families.

              If julian peterson thinks he is worth what ray lewis is worth, he is smoking from the same huka pipe as the postons themselves.

              In the immortal words of branch rickey, as it pertains to peterson and the whiners, "We can finish last with you or last without you!"

              ramming speed to all

              general counsel


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              • RamWraith
                Contract season puts Postons into play
                by RamWraith

                Contract season puts Postons into play

                Howard Balzer writes for Sports Weekly, email him at [email protected]

                Around several NFL precincts this summer, it could very well be considered the summer of the Postons.
                Rather than talking about possible Super Bowls, who's looking good in training camp and just simple football talk, contract negotiations promise to take center stage.

                With July 15 here and the opening of camps within the next two weeks, fans will be reading way too much about contract issues but most notably those involving agents Carl and Kevin Poston in ...

                • Cleveland, Jacksonville and Carolina, where they represent tight end Kellen Winslow Jr., the seventh overall selection in April's draft, as well as wide receiver Reggie Williams (ninth overall) and cornerback Chris Gamble (28th overall);

                • Oakland, St. Louis and San Francisco, where three of the league's five unsigned franchise players play: cornerback Charles Woodson, tackle Orlando Pace and linebacker Julian Peterson. All have the Postons as their agent;

                • Washington, where a grievance is expected to be heard in August regarding a $6.5 million roster bonus allegedly not included by the Redskins last December in a renegotiated contract for linebacker LaVar Arrington. Yes, Arrington is also represented by Carl Poston.

                The Winslow contract should be the least difficult, along with Williams and Gamble, considering that first-round picks are slotted according to where they are selected in the round. The Postons might try to claim that Winslow was rated No. 1 on some team's draft boards, but that argument is essentially one-sided. First, he wasn't picked No. 1, and second, when was the last time we heard an agent say he would accept less for a player because he was selected higher than expected? Next question.

                Where many of the contract stalemates occur is on a player's second contract and when that player has excelled at a high level. That's where the Postons' demands enter the stratosphere and make it near impossible for a team to negotiate.

                After the Rams received a $71 million proposal for Pace in March that included a $27 million signing bonus and another $7 million in guaranteed money (almost as much guaranteed money as the Colts gave quarterback Peyton Manning), president of football operations Jay Zygmunt said: "It's just a waste of time dealing with him (Carl). It makes no sense. Anyone can ask for anything; that's easy to do. Why not ask for a billion dollars? It wouldn't matter."

                Zygmunt noted how often the situations put the player at odds with the team.

                Look no further than the relationship between cornerback Ty Law, another Poston client, and the Patriots during the offseason.

                When either of the Postons talk to the media, which is rare (and they did not return a phone call...
                -07-15-2004, 01:46 PM
              • evil disco man
                Postons in the News
                by evil disco man
                The Postons are currently in disputes with about half a dozen NFL teams. Here are five of the teams and their disputes with the Postons.

                SAN FRANCISCO
                Linebacker Julian Peterson is franchised and headed for a holdout. The ***** are offering him the richest contract in team history, including a $15.5 million signing bonus. The Postons are reportedly seeking a $30 million bonus.

                ST. LOUIS
                Five-time Pro Bowler Orlando Pace is franchised for the second year in a row. The Postons are seeking a $27 million signing bonus and the Rams are offering a $13 million signing bonus. Pace reportedly wants to play for the Browns, who do not want to give up two No. 1 picks, the price for a franchise player. The Postons asked for a seven-year, $71 million deal for Pace. The Rams have offered a seven-year deal worth $42.5 million. Rams president of football operations Jay Zygmunt called the Postons' proposal a ransom note. "A ransom note? How can you call that a ransom note when Peyton Manning got a $98 million contract?" said Kevin Poston. "Do you really think that Peyton Manning is worth $30 million more than Orlando Pace? Orlando helped Kurt Warner become a two-time MVP. He helped Marshall Faulk become the league MVP."

                The Raiders had to franchise Pro Bowl cornerback Charles Woodson, above, and are bracing for a holdout. He reportedly wants a bigger bonus than Poston client Ty Law received in 2001 ($14.2 million) from the Patriots.

                The Postons and LaVar Arrington say the Redskins rushed Arrington into a deal that omitted an agreed-upon $6.5 million bonus for 2006. Union chief Gene Upshaw is trying to broker a deal, but the dispute is headed to arbitration next month. "We did nothing wrong on the Arrington contract," said Kevin Poston. "What we agreed to was not ultimately in the contract. A $6.5 million bonus was missing, and they rushed LaVar to sign it so they could meet a salary-cap deadline."

                NEW ENGLAND
                Pro Bowl cornerback Ty Law, above, recently called coach Bill Belichick a liar for allegedly promising him a guaranteed amount of money and then reneging on it. He will play this year at his cap-rich number of $10 million and then the two sides could be back at it again in the off-season. "The numbers don't lie," said Law. ". . . The Postons do everything possible to get fair market value. I'm going to live and die by the Postons on and off the field."

                - Mary Kay Cabot The Plain Dealer
                -07-18-2004, 10:57 AM
              • RamDez
                the Poston saga continues
                by RamDez
                peruse the final draft.

                Now, with Winslow nursing a broken leg that could cause him not to meet the play-time trigger for his $5.367 million incentive payment that was considered to be part of his guaranteed money, the Postons are being criticized for their failure to include language in the contract that would have prompted this "falling off of the log" incentive to roll over into future years.

                "It's mind boggling that they're still in business," one league insider told us on Thursday.

                They might not be in business for much longer. With Rams left tackle Orlando Pace firing the Postons last month and two other high-profile clients (Julian Peterson and Charles Woodson) signing franchise tenders after failing to work out long-term deals, some folks around the league believe that the remaining stable of Postons clients eventually will scatter.

                -Pro Football Talk

                -09-24-2004, 09:09 PM
              • Nick
                Atogwe's contract is really only one-year, $4.1 million deal
                by Nick
                Atogwe's contract is really only one-year, $4.1 million deal
                Five-year deal likely will be voided well before entire $32 million is due
                By Howard Balzer
                Tuesday, July 6, 2010

                When is a $32 million contract not a $32 million contract? In the case of Rams safety Oshiomogho Atogwe, it occurs when the final four years of his five-year deal can void after this season, and when the contract includes potential compensation of $11.5 million in 2011 if the void doesn’t occur.

                In essence, the contract Atogwe signed two weeks ago is a one-year, $4.1 million deal with all the money now guaranteed this year. However, there are no other known guarantees included in the contract.

                Broken down year-by-year, the total value of the contract is $32.1 million. That figure does not include a $500,000 bonus for making the Pro Bowl in any of the five years, but it can be earned only once. The $32.1 million total also doesn’t include up to $600,000 in yearly escalators, the triggers of which are not known.

                This year, Atogwe will be paid $2.1 million in guaranteed salary, and he received a roster bonus of $2 million on July 1. After this season is where things get interesting.

                The bottom line is that the remainder of the contract will likely void one day after the Feb. 6 Super Bowl, or he will be released later in the month before an $8 million roster bonus is due. If he were paid that roster bonus, then an additional $3.5 million in salary becomes guaranteed if he’s on the roster on the 60th day of the league year, which would be at the beginning of May.

                The final three years of the contract include base salaries of $5.5 million in 2012 and 2013. In 2014, a $500,000 roster bonus is due on the third day of the league year, followed by $5 million in salary.

                It is not known what triggers the void of the final four years of the contract; whether it is automatic or whether the Rams and/or Atogwe have the option to void. There would be no reason for Atogwe to void the deal because that would give the Rams the ability to place a franchise tag on him unless that is prohibited within the terms of the contract. From his standpoint, it would be better to wait and see if the Rams pay him the roster bonus. If they don’t, he becomes a free agent.

                Were the Rams to void the deal, they could franchise him while still trying to negotiate a longer-term contract. That would be considered the prudent action from the Rams’ side, especially considering the possibility of a lockout. In any event, it appears highly unlikely that Atogwe will play for the Rams in 2011 under terms of the current contract.

                The details of the deal also indicate the lack of significant interest from other teams after he became a free agent on June 2.

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                -07-06-2010, 02:32 PM
              • MauiRam
                Rookies finding their path to payday is blocked ..
                by MauiRam
                Rookies finding their path to payday is blocked ...
                by Alex Marvez
                (Alex Marvez is a Senior NFL Writer for He's covered the NFL for 13 seasons as a beat writer and is the president of the Pro Football Writers of America.)

                Updated: May 22, 2008, 11:09 AM EST 13 comments add this RSS blog email print's Alex Marvez was among a select media group invited to a four-hour NFL Players Association seminar Wednesday focused on the Collective Bargaining Agreement. In the first of a three-part series, Marvez addresses how the NFL's opting out of its current labor deal is making an immediate impact on some of the top unsigned picks in April's draft:

                ATLANTA — Negotiating a new labor deal or finding a successor for Gene Upshaw aren't the most pressing priorities for the NFL Players Association.

                Of utmost importance: Formulating contract mechanisms that may prevent holdouts from two of the top unsigned 2008 draft choices.

                The NFL's decision to opt out of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2011 has made an immediate impact on St. Louis defensive end Chris Long (No. 2 overall pick) and Oakland running back Darren McFadden (No. 4). Unless the NFLPA can unearth CBA loopholes, both will have to settle for shorter contracts with less guaranteed money than earned by players chosen in those same slots in 2007.

                That could lead to more complicated negotiations and increases the possibility deals won't be done by the start of training camp in late July.

                "It's going to be hard for those guys to get contracts even at the money they got a year ago," said Upshaw, the NFLPA's executive director. "The guys who were in that same slot a year ago are actually going to get more money in guarantees than what McFadden and Chris Long will get."

                Detroit wide receiver Calvin Johnson and Tampa Bay defensive end Gaines Adams were the second and fourth overall picks in last year's draft. Both signed six-year contracts. Johnson's was worth $64 million with $27.2 million guaranteed; Adams received $18.6 million guaranteed as part of a $46 million package.

                At the time, the Bucs and Lions could push a significant portion of guaranteed money into the sixth year of those contracts. But teams no longer have that luxury with NFL owners having voided the final two years of the CBA during Tuesday's annual spring meeting in Atlanta.

                Negotiations also could become sticky because of a potential work stoppage in 2011. Should that happen, teams would not be responsible for paying players. Upshaw said even some head coaches may not get paid or have agreed to deals that would halve their salaries.

                This threat pushed the representatives for top overall pick Jake Long to demand that Miami pay all of the tackle's guaranteed money ($30 million) by 2010. Other agents may demand the same...
                -05-22-2008, 11:51 AM