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    Bernie on Warner

    The thing that surprised me (and probably the rest of us, too) is that the Giants signed Warner without seeing him throwing the ball during a formal audition/workout. I know they couldn't work him out while he was still under contract to the Rams....but how can you make a deal with him without at least inspecting how he throws? Why not take a day to do that before completing the final deal? Despite what Kurt's agent says, no other teams were aggressively pursuing him. The Giants could have stalled for a day or two.

    Cheers,
    Bernie
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    Re: Bernie on Warner

    Very interesting point, made even more interesting by reports not long after the first few practices saying that Warner was missing some receivers.

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    • #3
      Re: Bernie on Warner

      The question I have is what difference does it make?

      I imagine this is an answer, from Bernie, to some comment or question from a fan?

      Anyways, when you get some spare time, between answering giants questions and your coverage of the deadbirds, could you give us some insight on the Rams, Bernie?
      Curly ~ Horns

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      • #4
        Re: Bernie on Warner

        Originally posted by Ferter
        I imagine this is an answer, from Bernie, to some comment or question from a fan?
        Correctomundo. A lot of the "Some Thoughts from Bernie" or similar things I see are a bunch of collected responses from fans or readers about various situations.

        Anywho, I imagine it could make a big difference to the Giants depending on how Warner does. ;)

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          Re: Bernie on Warner

          I imagine it could make a big difference to the Giants depending on how Warner does.
          My point exactly. Save it for the giants fans. This Rams fan could care absolutely less.
          Curly ~ Horns

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            Re: Bernie on Warner

            A lot of the "Some Thoughts from Bernie" or similar things
            You have to understand the compelling story behind the whole "Some Thoughts from Bernie" phenomena.

            Bernie...or more precisely, Bernie the Dolt - a nickname he recieved at an early age from the other neighborhood kids - was not the sharpest tool in the shed in is early years. He was, in fact, a very slow learner. Much to the disappointment and worry of his parents, he didn't say his first words until age six. The unfortunate Miklasz family spent a fortune on all kinds of tests until it was finally learned there was no medical problem....the boy was simply not too bright.

            In an effort to encourage and foster his developement, doctors suggested that the family provide as much positive reinforcement as possible for even his slightest accomplishments.

            Needless to say, the independent thought process for Bernie in those days was an excrutiating excercise in futility. "Thoughts from Bernie" were so few and far between, that when they did occur, it was cause for celebration. Many times there was a press release sent to all the local papers to announce the occasion.

            Here's an example from the archives:

            Local Boy has Thoughts, Experts Baffled (AP) Local boy Bernie (the Dolt) Miklasz finally demonstrated the ability to think this morning when, for the first time ever, the 9-year old actually pulled his pants down to go to the toilet. Area specialists, who have been studying the child since his toddler years, were amazed, as they have been predicting for some time now that Bernie would probably never develope the ability to think independently.


            After this breakthrough, success came in leaps and bounds. By the age of 16, he could tie his shoes (more or less), at 21 he could completely dress himself (though not well), at 25 the training wheels came off the bicycle, and by 35, he finished elementary school.

            Throughout this time, the letters to the local papers continued, with the theme being "Thoughts from Bernie". As he grew into the closest thing he could to manhood, his parents never had the heart to discontinue the letters to the newpaper, so poor Bernie never got to grasp the notion that his "Thoughts" were actually not that important and that, in reality, nobody cared what he had to say.

            There you have it. The real story behind the "Thoughts from Bernie" column.

            If you run into Bernie somewhere, don't let the cat out of the bag. Let him have his little fantasy. Consider it your good deed for the day. :king:
            Clannie Nominee for ClanRam's Thickest Poster

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            • RamWraith
              The Bernie speaks on Warner fans
              by RamWraith
              I think it's good to keep up with Warner.
              I do it myself. I want to see him do well.
              I TiVO every Giants game and look forward to the viewing each week.
              So news updates are fine, and welcome.

              My problem is with the Warner fanatics.
              I don't know how many there are -- perhaps it's a real noisy minority.
              Fortunately, I don't think this particular form of insanity is widespread.
              He's the Son of Man to them.
              They're bizarre.

              That's the issue -- Warner fanaticism, and the way these pathetic kooks hate on Bulger and hope that Bulger throws INTs and loses.

              Cheers,
              Bernie
              -10-13-2004, 05:41 AM
            • RamDez
              Bernie takes it to the Warner fans who are down on the Rams
              by RamDez
              He says just what I am thinking on this

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              -01-20-2009, 02:08 AM
            • RamWraith
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              by RamWraith
              Work done by RubbersSoul


              BernieM wrote:
              In today's column I mentioned Warner's legacy -- that he made all of those gloomy football seasons in St. Louis disappear, and replaced them with precious moments and memories.

              In the short term, he has another legacy: the Rams' starting QB in the next few years will be held to a preposterous standard. No question, Bulger needs to play better. As I wrote in here from minicamp, his arm on the deep balls remains weak and I get ticked off just watching it.

              But overall, Bulger is at about where he should be (and he's pretty good) for a QB still finding his way in this league. But because Warner played at such unbelievable heights from 1999-2001, Bulger will be measured against that. Is that fair? Probably doesn't matter -- it's sports. It's just the way it is. Ironically, even Warner fell short -- way short -- of meeting those standards himself, once the injuries took their toll. Warner wasn't Warner, either....and yet some demand that Bulger be the Warner of 1999, 2000 and 2001. Kind of silly if you ask me. Ain't gonna happen. So Bulger should be judged on his own merits.

              Cheers,
              Bernie

              BernieM wrote:
              You're right; Martz does "spin" on Warner.

              It's been a long time since Martz and Warner had a truly good relationship, so I always discount MM's warm and fuzzy comments about Kurt.

              Bottom line is, it all started to fall apart when Kurt's hand became something he couldn't overcome. It started the domino effect. If Warner could still throw it consistently like he once did, and if he could get settled in the pocket again without freaking, none of this would have happened. The Rams and Martz invested a ton of money in Kurt and had no reason to want him to fail. By going this way, they've got millions invested in two QBs, Warner and Bulger, and that hurts their cap.

              Cheers,
              Bernie

              BernieM wrote:
              Bulger is capable of throwing the deep pass. We saw it in 2002. It frustrates me to see him sputter in this area. I think it's in his head. He's thinking too much about technique instead of letting it rip.

              In another follow up, as I've said many times, Bulger needs to play better. Cut down on mistakes, most of all.

              But only a fool would expect him to play as well as Warner did from 1999-2001.

              Cheers,
              Bernie

              BernieM wrote:
              It isn't a matter of Kurt's hand being healed.
              It will never be healed, really. Not in the traditional sense.
              That's because the problem -- as I continually write -- is an arthritic-like condition in his right thumb. That never heals. It's just a question of when it flares up, and how it limits him when it does flare up. Some days, his grip is fine. Other days, it isn't.

              I dig the Martz bashing on this...
              -06-04-2004, 09:47 AM
            • RamWraith
              The Bernie speaks
              by RamWraith
              BernieM wrote:
              i'm so bored with all of the warner worship and selective memories -- excuse me while I yawn again -- but to answer, yet again...and again...and again...

              I encouraged martz to start running the ball around 2000, when it was obvious that they couldn't stop anyone on defense that year and needed to eat some clock. It came up again in 2001 before the playoffs and of course my columns after the 2001 Super Bowl loss were about how Martz needed to run the ball more against the Patrtiots. I'm certain I broached the subject again before now, because Martz and me have gone round and round on it through the years. There's another point of view here; if a team is winning and scoring I don't care how he does it. When a team isn't winning and isn't scoring, then it's time to look at the approach. that's where we are now. and for the umpteenth time, I am not responsible for a reader's reading-comprehension level. I am not responsible for what a reader retains, or chooses to retain, from what I've written through the years.

              Thanks very much.

              Cheers,
              Bernie

              BernieM wrote:
              While I'm reluctant to continue feeding this bizarre Warner obsession, which has a never-ending cycle, I'll respond:

              Any student of NFL history knows that other so-called damaged goods QBs have revitalized their careers elsewhere.

              The classic example is Jim Plunkett.

              Though he didn't go elsewhere to do so, I saw John Unitas go through more than one cycle of rallying his career from abuse and injuries.

              Heck, I covered a guy who did it -- Neil Lomax. He was so gun shy and worn down physically after the 1985 season, that it took him until 1987 to fully recover, mentally and physically.

              If Kurt makes it back to the elite level to stay for a while, it will be because he's healthy and thus capable of physically doing the job.

              As I have said all along, if his hand is sound, and doesn't flare up, he's fine.

              One thing that clearly has happened in his favor is that he seems much calmer in the pocket now. The time away from getting hit and pounded was beneficial to him.

              As for my credibility -- in general terms -- anyone who thinks that me or any other sports columnist, or sports fan, or human being is right all of the time, please join us in the real world. I've never made that claim, and never will make that claim, that I am always right. And I do not hesitate to admit when I am wrong.

              God forbid I should be as arrogant as some of my critics.

              And in this instance, I consider the source. Some of the Warner fans are hardly objective about this situation. The gentleman who created this thread, for instance, has an e-mail address that basically serves as a tribute to Warner.

              And there's nothing wrong with that -- but at the same time, I always must keep...
              -10-04-2004, 04:34 AM
            • RamWraith
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              Bulger, unlike Warner, was able to transcend some of the negatives the last couple of years in STL by winning 18 of 22 reg-season starts.

              This year, I'm sorry to say, the negatives appear to be reaching crisis proportions. When you have no offensive line, and a defense that gets shoved around and has no DT capable of making an impact play, then you have a team in trouble. When you have one NFL-caliber CB on the active roster (Butler) that's a team in trouble.

              That said, Bulger was terrible last night. He was part of the problem. And as I have said repeatedly, he should be judged on his own merits -- how he plays. He shouldn't be compared to Warner of 1999-2001, because Warner himself ain't anywhere near that these days.

              What's comical about some of these posts is that the Bulger is Satan/Warner is God crowd convenienty seem to forget that last week that Ol' No. 13 was sacked four times (at least twice because he held onto the ball too long) and threw as bad an INT as you'll see. If Warner had to play with the STL team we saw last night....oh gosh. I hate to even think about it.

              Cheers,
              Bernie

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              Post subject: Turley

              Turley sends mixed signals.
              He pops off to his friends and says he's done for the year.
              He tells the Rams he needs more time, and they're encouraging him to take it.

              Who knows?

              Cheers,
              Bernie

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              Post subject: Polley

              Carolina directed their running game at him.

              They game-planned him specifically.

              216 yards rushing, 5.3 yards per carry.

              I had a chance to review the coaching tapes and it was unreal. I don't know that I've ever seen a LB play worse than that.

              I have no idea why this guy is going south. He'd better pick it up.

              Cheers,
              Bernie
              -08-24-2004, 03:08 PM
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