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    Warner wows his receivers
    Accurate with passes


    ALBANY - When the ball comes out of Kurt Warner's hand, more often than not it wobbles. It's not a bad throw by any measure of an NFL quarterback, and it's obviously worked for him in the past.

    It just seems to pale in comparison to the perfect spiral rookie Eli Manning throws time after time.

    But the beauty of Warner's arm and his wobbly passes are in the eyes of his receivers. And so far Warner's new teammates on the Giants love what they see.

    "It doesn't matter what his passes look like because the stat sheet doesn't show the aesthetics of a pass," said running back Tiki Barber. "He's smart. He knows how to throw the ball where it needs to be."

    That's what Warner always did best in St. Louis, where he threw for 14,447 yards and 102 touchdowns in a mostly remarkable six seasons. And by all accounts that's what he's done in his first week of training camp with the Giants as well. Warner has an uncanny knack for being accurate in both his decisions and where he places the football. And even though he's still in the early stages of learning the Giants' new offense, there's been no evidence that he's lost his touch.

    "Kurt is a great anticipator," receiver Ike Hilliard said. "He's seeing the offenses and defenses and routes and schemes to where he can see it open up. It's almost like second nature. Regardless of how the ball looks, as long as it gets to us it's OK. He doesn't have to throw a dart all the time because he's anticipating a second or two ahead. That's all that matters."

    Warner has always been good at anticipating where a play is going. He may have had great receivers in St. Louis in Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt, but the Rams' offense wouldn't have been The Greatest Show on Turf if Warner hadn't been able to constantly hit them on the run.

    In fact, no one has ever done that better. Warner's career completion rate of 66.1% is the highest of anyone who's ever thrown 1,500 NFL passes. For four straight years in St. Louis - 1999-2002 - his percentage never dipped below 65.1. And even last year, when the Giants beat him up in the season opener and forced him to play through a concussion, he still completed 62.9% of his throws for 365 yards.

    And yet, Warner believes this year he could be even better.

    "I'm smarter," Warner said. "I see the field better. I make better decisions than I did before. Through the years, I just feel every year I've gotten better from a mental standpoint. I've been able to slow the game down and I'm able to react to things better than I ever did before."

    That, of course, is what the Giants are counting on, and it's exactly why they signed Warner in June. The strong-armed, 23-year-old Manning is the unquestioned future of the Giants. But they needed an intelligent veteran to show him what being an NFL quarterback is all about.

    And that, as the Giants are beginning to learn, is Warner's biggest attribute. It's less about his arm strength and the beauty of his throws than making the right choices and giving his receivers a chance to do their jobs.

    And once Warner gets comfortable with his new teammates and new offense, that's exactly what he expects to do.

    "I'm still not where I want to be," Warner said. "But I can feel myself getting more comfortable every day. I can feel the game starting to slow down a little bit. It's getting back to the way that I normally play the game. That's exciting to me."

  • #2
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    he threw for 14,447 yards and 102 touchdowns in a mostly remarkable six seasons.
    Let's not dilute the 99-01 seasons, Mr. Vacchiano. Warner hit 90% of those yards and all but 4 of those TDs in 3 seasons.
    The strong-armed, 23-year-old Manning is the unquestioned future of the Giants. But they needed an intelligent veteran to show him what being an NFL quarterback is all about.
    Man, I hope this kid knows what an opportunity the Giants have made for him.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.


    • #3
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      We are going to regret this. I just know it. Thats the irony of things.



      • #4
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        I don't think we will regret this. It was a tough move, but unfortunately had to be done. Warner should have an OK year, but that'll be about it.


        • #5
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          Warner lost the Rams, no one else did it for him. Good luck to him in NY but he wore out his welcome in STL.


          • #6
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            Originally posted by txramsfan
            Warner lost the Rams, no one else did it for him. Good luck to him in NY but he wore out his welcome in STL.
            Sorry to disagree with you ... but Warner did not wear out his welcome in Stl., sMartz wore out Warner's welcome in Stl.


            • #7
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              He didn't lose the fans, but he lost the team.

              Dosen't matter. He's gone. That's all that matters.


              • #8
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                Originally posted by txramsfan
                He didn't lose the fans, but he lost the team.
                All he may have lost was Turley and now that doesn't seem such a big deal since Turley ain't part of the team ...


                • #9
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                  Well, if that was the case, he would have played last year. He didn't though did he?

                  Sorry adarian, the boy lost this team. Believe what you want though.


                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by txramsfan
                    Well, if that was the case, he would have played last year. He didn't though did he?

                    Sorry adarian, the boy lost this team. Believe what you want though.
                    Sorry to interject, but did the team vote to bench Warner last year? Unless democracy has found its way to the NFL, I think that was a Martz decision.
                    The more things change, the more they stay the same.


                    • #11
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                      Well TX, did the team vote to bench Warner last year? Unless democracy has found its way to the NFL, I think that was a Martz decision.

                      Sorry HUbison, couldn't have said it better myself so I figured stealing it would serve the purpose for now ...


                      • #12
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                        They did go to the coach and ask for Bulger so in a way yes, they did vote him out.


                        • #13
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                          If Warner lost the team, that's on Martz for letting it happen.

                          Bottom line...the better player plays....if the team has a problem with's on the coach to rectify the situation.

                          Players don't decide who plays and who sits, they play. The coach decides who starts and who sits.
                          Clannie Nominee for ClanRam's Thickest Poster


                          • #14
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                            Dosen't matter anymore....he's gone.


                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by txramsfan
                              Dosen't matter anymore....he's gone.
                              If Warner was the problem, then you're right. But if the problem was something or someone other than Warner, then nothing was solved. I just think there are some who aren't sold on the idea that Warner was the problem. If this is true, we still have a problem.
                              The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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                              • Yodude
                                Why Coughlin Picked Warner....
                                by Yodude
                                Horrible game with Rams opened door for Warner to sign with Giants
                                Friday, October 22, 2004
                                By Tom Kowalski

                                ALLEN PARK -- Kurt Warner has won a Super Bowl, a couple of NFL Most Valuable Player awards and has set all kinds of passing records, but he's currently the New York Giants quarterback because head coach Tom Coughlin was impressed with one of Warner's worst-ever games.

                                In last year's season opener, when he was quarterbacking the St. Louis Rams, Warner had a horrific game against the Giants. He was sacked six times, fumbled six times (losing three) and was intercepted once in New York's 23-13 win against the Rams.

                                Coughlin, who became the Giants head coach this year, remembered that performance (after watching game films) when he was deciding whether to sign Warner as a free agent in the off-season.

                                "I looked hard at the game," said Coughlin, whose 4-1 Giants host the 3-2 Detroit Lions Sunday at Giants Stadium. "He had the turnovers, no question, but he also performed with outstanding toughness even well into the fourth quarter, despite the statistics, the turnovers and all of those things. He was battling and competing and had a high percentage completion rate even deep into the fourth quarter."

                                Coughlin, who is a hard-nosed throwback coach, wanted a competitor and that's what he got in Warner, who only wanted an opportunity to play. After his glory years in St. Louis, Warner stumbled hard with the Rams and it appeared his career might be over.

                                "I never had the doubt, from a personal standpoint, about my skills and that I could play at that level," Warner said. "I had some doubt about whether I'd get a legitimate chance to do it. That's where the doubts were. I always felt that if I ever got that opportunity, I could play this game as well as I've ever played it."

                                That's why Warner didn't want to sign with the Lions as a backup to Joey Harrington.

                                "It was kicked around and talked about a little bit but, obviously, they have a young quarterback who they've put some stock in and given him the opportunities to continue to progress," Warner said. "It wasn't the most conducive situation to what I was looking for, but I definitely considered it.

                                "(Lions) Coach (Steve) Mariucci is an old friend of mine and I really love the guy. That would've been a great fit, other than the standpoint that they have Joey there and he has so much talent and he's proven that's the right direction to go."

                                After a close training camp battle between Warner and first-round draft pick Eli Manning, the Giants decided they wanted to go with the veteran. Warner has responded with solid performances, completing 65 percent of his passes and throwing just one interception in five games. However, Warner -- and his three touchdown passes -- is...
                                -10-22-2004, 04:57 PM
                              • Yodude
                                Don't bet against Warner.....
                                by Yodude
                                Don't bet against Warner reviving his career in Arizona

                                BY JEFF GORDON
                                Post-Dispatch Online Sports Columnist

                                Kurt Warner’s gambit paid off.

                                The former Rams hero signed with the New York Giants as the interim starter for last season. He agreed to direct that offense on a temporary basis while prized prospect Eli Manning learned the ropes.

                                All along, Warner’s role was to mentor the kid. At some point, he knew that Manning would take his job. The Giants traded the farm for the kid, then paid him all the money in the world. His ascension was not a matter of if, but when.

                                Kurt also knew the Giants had offensive shortcomings that would make this assignment doubly hard. But this was arguably his only guaranteed shot to re-establish himself in 2004, so he took it.

                                Warner accomplished just enough to earn a real opportunity -– to quarterback the Arizona Cardinals in 2005, with no strings attached.

                                Warner insists he is ready. He believes he can play for another five or six years. He promises the world that he still has game.

                                “I still feel like I have a lot left,” Warner told ESPN Radio. “I wanted to be on the field. I wanted to be in a situation where, for the most part, I controlled my own destiny.”

                                He flashed some of his old magic with the Giants last season, particularly earlier in his nine-game stint. The team was far more successful with him at the helm than Manning.

                                “Obviously, I hated to be taken out,” Warner said. “Two weeks before I got pulled, we were sitting at 5-2. We were the second-best team in the NFC. Obviously, the next two weeks we didn’t play as well as we would have liked to.”

                                But, he added, “In every single game we were competitive, we gave ourselves a chance to win.”

                                Warner completed 174 of 277 passes for 2,054 yards last season. He threw six touchdown passes and four interceptions. His passer rating was 86.5. He finished with a 5-4 record as a starter.

                                By contrast, Manning won just one game as a starter. He completed 95 of 197 passes for 1,043 yards, six touchdowns and nine interceptions. His passer rating was, ahem, 55.4.

                                The benching, Warner said, “was unfortunate at the time. In the long-run, it was beneficial to me.”

                                Manning’s dismal play and the Giants’ offensive demise put Warner’s so-so play in context. “People could see how well I was playing, or playing within that role,” he said. “I think my stock actually rose after that time.”

                                What if Warner had finished out the season as starter?

                                “My stats wouldn’t have been that good,” he said. “We would have finished 8-8, 9-7.”

                                Many experts, though, argue that No. 13 is done. They point to his later work with the Giants, when he became tentative in the pocket and absorbed...
                                -03-09-2005, 02:56 PM
                              • Nick
                       Analysis of Warner Situation
                                by Nick
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                                Well, the latest reports filtering out of the Big Apple say Kurt Warner
                                looked sharp during his initial mini-camp workouts this week. His passes
                                were crisp and mostly on target. But as New York Daily News staffer Ralph
                                Vacchiano noted, the surprise was that Eli Manning's passes looked even

                                After struggling through his first mini-camp as a pro early last month,
                                Manning put all that behind him Monday with a much-improved performance
                                that caught the eyes of his coaches and teammates.

                                According to Vacchiano, "his command in the huddle was better and he had a
                                much greater knowledge of the offense. And as a result, he was able to
                                show off the right arm that the Giants worked so hard to acquire in their
                                blockbuster draft-day trade."

                                Wow. Sounds pretty darned good. ...

                                Unfortunately, Manning didn't fare as well Tuesday. Which should come as
                                no surprise. Once again, we're talking about a rookie trying to get up to
                                speed at the league's most difficult position to master.

                                Which is why, I suspect, we'll see a growing media drumbeat surrounding
                                the Warner/Manning competition with Warner putting increasing pressure on
                                his younger teammate as he becomes familiar with the Giants' system and
                                his NFL MVP experience begins to factor into the equation.

                                But that doesn't mean I believe Warner is the best man for this job. Nor
                                am I sure he's not. And I'm not alone in my confusion.

                                In fact, after reviewing some of the opinions being floated by those "in
                                the know," I've come to the conclusion that Warner is as mysterious to the
                                rest of the world as he is to me.

                                A sampling follows. ...

                                In an article published Monday, Sports Illustrated insider Peter King
                                advised readers: "I think Kurt Warner, whatever happens, will be a team
                                player and will help Eli Manning as much as he can with the Giants. Warner
                                is one of the few people I know in football who truly would help the guy
                                behind him even if it meant it might hurt his situation."

                                But former Giants quarterback Phil Simms disagreed.

                                "The perfect guy (for the Giants) was Neil O'Donnell," Simms told the
                                Newark Star-Ledger. "It's not a knock against Kurt, but the agendas are
                                different. Kurt Warner still wants to be a franchise quarterback. He wants
                                to be the guy. ... Kurt Warner will give information to Eli, but he's
                                going to be more concerned about his performance, his knowledge and what
                                he's doing."

                                Another Sports Illustrated writer, NFL guru Paul Zimmerman, took things a
                                step further,...
                                -06-13-2004, 08:36 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Someone see's it as Kurt struggling
                                by RamWraith
                                TRANSITION NOT EASY FOR KURT By PAUL SCHWARTZ New York Post June 8, 2004 -- (edited)

                                The first grumbles came a few days ago, when Kurt Warner shook his head and began beating himself up over a bad throw here, a poor read there. Last Thursday, Warner was on the field for the first time with the Giants and he came away unimpressed with his showing.

                                "I went home this weekend and a couple of incomplete passes last week in practice and my wife heard about it all weekend," Warner said. "You build that mentality where you want to be perfect, you want to complete every pass.

                                "When it doesn't happen, it is frustrating. I expect myself to make the passes I should make and make the decisions I should make, whether it's my second day or I'm here for four years."

                                Yesterday marked another baby step for Warner and ... it was rookie Eli Manning during minicamp who appeared far more self-assured. Warner was more tentative, mixing in some well-thrown balls with some wobblers that made it clear he was thinking more than reacting.

                                "I need to get better," Warner said. "Little by little, I'm feeling more comfortable. I'm seeing the field a little bit but it's early on, with things like the cadence, it's hard, it's a transition. I'm thinking about the cadence actually rather than thinking about what's going on downfield."

                                ... The terminology Warner knew as second-nature in his six years with the Rams is now totally new, as are the reads and keys in Tom Coughlin's offense compared with the Greatest Show on Turf attack schemed by Mike Martz.

                                "Something I would have read a certain way in St. Louis we may read exactly the opposite here; you just have to get a feel and understanding of why the coaches want to do it that way," Warner said. "That's an adjustment, too."

                                Coughlin described Warner as "tireless in his efforts to learn the system."

                                As Warner looks to claim the starting job, Manning has settled in, offering glimpses of why the Giants were obsessed with making him their franchise quarterback of the future.

                                "Every day I feel more comfortable calling the plays and visualizing everything and just knowing what everybody's doing, not thinking about everything," Manning said.

                                "Every day (Eli's) gotten better," added running back Tiki Barber. "The first day he looked like he couldn't play high school, the second day he started to figure it out, he was more comfortable calling the plays and as the weeks have gone on you can see he's confident, and when he's confident he throws a great ball, he knows exactly what he's doing."
                                -06-08-2004, 09:10 AM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                Interesting Takes From Warner & Coughlin
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                Wednesday, June 9, 2004

                                By Sal Paolantonio
                                Special to

                                EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- You can see it in his eyes. Kurt Warner's eyes are wide open, revealing the happiness of a man who has emerged from the long slumber of lost opportunity.

                                "I feel completely re-energized," said Warner, as he came off the field after his first mini-camp practice with his new team, the New York Giants.

                                Warner lacked some zip on his passes during practices.
                                Rewind to Giants Stadium, Week 1 last year. Under constant pressure from Michael Strahan and company, Warner was sacked six times and fumbled six times, and started his last game for the St. Louis Rams. Sitting on the trainer's table in the visitors' locker room at Giants Stadium that Sunday afternoon, Warner had just been diagnosed with a mild concussion and his eyes had the vacant look of a man who had just bought a one-way ticket down the rabbit hole.

                                The contrast between Warner then and Warner now couldn't be more stark. And the situation couldn't be more ironic -- the team that ended his season has now handed Warner a chance at NFL redemption.

                                It's no wonder that Warner has displayed the same wide-eyed eagerness of the former stock boy from Iowa who emerged from NFL Europe and replaced the injured Trent Green to re-write the history of Rams football in St. Louis.

                                "Normally, the player will sit down and will have to talk to his agent on the phone," said Giants head coach Tom Coughlin. "He said, 'I don't want any of this. Let's get this done.' He signed right away. He was down the hall, looking for coaches, saying 'Let's go meet.' He wanted to get himself immersed in this offense right away."

                                There is good reason for Warner to be anxious. Coming to New York means that Warner, who will be 33 on June 22, will be under-going several mid-life, mid-course adjustments.

                                He must adjust to the demands of Coughlin's offense, which shall we say is a bit more conservative than the Greatest Show on Turf choreographed by Mike Martz. And Warner will be learning the new offense with a newly minted franchise quarterback, Eli Manning, looking over his shoulder.

                                The Giants invested two first-round draft picks and expended a lot of public relations good will to acquire Manning in a trade with San Diego in this year's NFL draft. Some see Warner as the perfect mentor for Manning, or at least a temporary diversion so that Manning can incubate his talents without being over-exposed by the white, hot lights of the New York media.

                                Warner will have none of that. You can tell by the tone and conviction in his voice that, for Warner, this is not about Peyton Manning's little brother.

                                "Obviously, I'm coming in to...
                                -06-10-2004, 04:07 PM