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    Aug. 11, 2004 wire reports

    BEREA, Ohio -- Kellen Winslow Jr. can begin his pursuit of eclipsing his father's Hall of Fame career.


    He has already made more money without catching a pass.

    Winslow signed a six-year contract Wednesday morning with the Cleveland Browns and was attending his first practice, wearing a No. 11 jersey, team spokeswoman Julia Payne said.

    A team source told The Associated Press the deal has a base salary of $29 million and could be worth up to $40 million if Winslow reaches all his incentives. It also includes a $16.5 million signing bonus, according to the source, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

    The 6-foot-4, 250-pound Winslow is the son of Hall of Fame tight end Kellen Winslow Sr. and calls himself "The Chosen One."

    Winslow Jr. says he expects to exceed his father's accomplishments. Winslow Sr. says at this point, his son is even better than he was.

    The Browns have not had a tight end with Winslow Jr.'s combination of size, speed and athleticism since Hall of Famer Ozzie Newsome in the 1980s.

    The Browns give first-round pick Kellen Winslow Jr. a $16.5 million signing bonus. (Getty Images)
    The Browns moved up one spot in April's draft to select the former Miami star with the sixth selection, sending the seventh overall pick and a second-round pick to Detroit.

    The team and Winslow's agent, Kevin Poston, were reportedly $12 million to $22 million apart during the negotiations, with Poston seeking a contract similar to the six-year, $54.6 million deal that he negotiated for wideout Charles Rogers last year with Detroit.

    But a series of talks that began over the weekend between Poston and Browns president John Collins culminated in a deal Tuesday night.

    Poston is a renowned tough negotiator who along with his brother, Carl, represents other prominent NFL clients currently in contract holdouts.

    Winslow began his 12-day holdout on July 30 when Poston rejected the Browns' initial offer -- a six-year, $40 million deal that matched what Washington gave safety Sean Taylor, the No. 5 selection.

    The deal Winslow agreed to is for the same amount but includes a higher signing bonus and base salary.


    Last week, Browns quarterback Jeff Garcia implored Winslow to get to camp, saying, "You are going to get your riches no matter what, but you need to think about the team."

    Garcia said he and Winslow have traded phone messages in which the rookie said he was frustrated with negotiations.

    Winslow has a reputation as a fiery competitor, which has caused him problems in the past.

    In his final season with the Hurricanes, he made headlines for a postgame tirade following a loss to Tennessee in which he called himself a soldier and compared the game to being at war. He later apologized.

    The Associated Press News Service

    Copyright 2004, The Associated Press, All Rights Reserved

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    Re: Browns' Winslow finally signs, attends first practice

    If you want to get a laugh, go to the Browns webpage and listen to Kellen Winslow's interview with the media after having signed. He talks about how anxious he was to get into camp (yeah right), and then goes on to say the reason he didn't sign earlier was that he wanted to get his fair market value. Meanwhile, it seems the local media continues to wuss out and won't ask what's on everyone's mind: Kellen, do you honestly think your fair market value is higher than any other NFL tight end has ever made, even though you haven't played a single professional down?


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    • HUbison
      Garcia to Winslow
      by HUbison
      Garcia urges Winslow to join Browns

      By TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writer
      August 4, 2004
      BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Jeff Garcia delivered his message to Kellen Winslow Jr. with the pinpoint accuracy of a tight spiral.

      As the rookie tight end's contract holdout with the Cleveland Browns approached one week, Garcia said it's time Winslow Jr. reported for training camp.

      ``It's important to get him here,'' the Browns' new quarterback said. ``It's one of those things where you need to think about the team. You are going to get your riches no matter what, but you need to think about the team.

      ``This is a team game.''

      Meanwhile, the Browns and agent Kevin Poston are as much as $15 million apart. Complicating matters in the negotiations are recent deals signed by other top picks, with two that included $20 million in guaranteed money.

      Garcia decided it was time to add his two cents.

      Following Wednesday's morning practice, Garcia said he planned to call Winslow and urge him to join his teammates.

      ``Think about what you have to experience in terms of creating a team atmosphere and a team bond,'' said Garcia, in his first season with Cleveland.

      ``It is not creating a really positive situation for him not being here in training camp because we are all out here sweating through it. It's important that he gets out here and joins in the mix with us,'' he said.

      There's no telling when that might happen since it appears Winslow Jr. and the Browns are at an impasse in talks.

      Winslow, the No. 6 pick, has missed 10 practices since July 30 when Poston rejected the Browns' initial offer -- a six-year, $40 million deal.

      Although the Browns' offer to Winslow represents a 135-percent increase over the deal signed by last year's No. 6 pick, defensive tackle Jonathan Sullivan, it isn't enough for Kellen Winslow Sr.

      The Hall of Famer has said publicly that he wants ``fair market value'' for his son. However, it's impossible to determine what that is because Poston isn't saying what he's after.

      It's hard to predict what effect, if any, Garcia's plea will have on Winslow Jr.

      At least one other Browns player said he wouldn't rush the former University of Miami star to sign.

      ``I can't tell him to get in here,'' said safety Earl Little, another ex-Hurricane. ``He has the best leverage he could have. He sees all these young kids getting all this money. He has to take his time.

      ``The more he can get, the better for him. I'm happy for him.''
      -08-05-2004, 08:43 AM
    • Nick
      Browns president not happy about Winslow deal
      by Nick
      The deal's the thing for Collins
      Friday, August 13, 2004
      Tony Grossi

      Early reviews on the Kellen Winslow Jr. contract do not favor the Browns' new management team.

      Industry sources point to the fact that Winslow, a tight end, will receive approximately twice as much money over the life of the deal than last year's No. 6 pick, defensive tackle Johnathan Sullivan of New Orleans.

      Winslow's contract, essentially a maximum of $40 million over six years, includes $16.5 million in guaranteed money. That is comprised of signing bonuses paid in four installments and other roster and option bonuses.

      Only No. 1 pick Eli Manning and No. 2 choice Robert Gallery in the 2004 draft received more guaranteed money.

      "They got crushed," one NFL team executive said of the Browns.

      "Was it a good contract for the Browns? No," said a prominent player agent not involved in the process.

      John Collins, the new Browns' president who negotiated the deal, does not deny the numbers are mind-boggling for a player who has yet to catch a pass or score a touchdown.

      In his first comments about the epochal negotiations, Collins on Thursday said unique circumstances contributed to the record deal. Winslow instantly became the highest-paid tight end in NFL history.

      "I'm not happy about these numbers," Collins said. "But at the end of the day, we've got the player on the field."

      The Browns were cast as huge underdogs in the negotiation process from the moment coach Butch Davis traded his second-round draft choice to Detroit to move up one notch and select Winslow.

      They also were considered neophytes. Collins, formerly the league's top marketing executive, had never negotiated a player contract. Further, he was pitted against agent Kevin Poston, whose reputation for holding out players was well established.

      Adding to the mix was Kellen Winslow Sr., a Hall of Fame tight end who was intent on looking out for his son.

      Plus, the contracts of Manning, Gallery and No. 3 pick Larry Fitzgerald came in significantly higher than anyone anticipated.

      "The other deals that got done [before Winslow's] have been described as monster contracts, so that doesn't make it easier," Collins said. "If I had been doing player contracts for five years or for 10 years, this one would still be unique.

      "Yeah, I felt pressure, but I felt pressure for the organization. It was set up, as someone said, to be a volatile situation. It was a pretty emotionally charged negotiation. And as an organization, it was a good experience for us to go through. It was a little baptism by fire."

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      -08-14-2004, 01:28 PM
    • RamWraith
      Winslow likely done for the year
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      By MIKE McLAIN Tribune Chronicle

      BEREA - The joy ride Kellen Winslow Jr. took on his motorcycle last Sunday is expected to cost the Browns highly-touted tight end the 2005 season.
      The Tribune Chronicle has learned that Winslow suffered a tear of the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. Surgery will be required, which means that Winslow will likely miss the upcoming season.

      Timetables for recovering from ACL surgery vary depending on the severity of the tear and the individual. A common reference point is a minimum of eight to 10 months, but it's possible that Winslow might need a full year to recover from surgery.

      The Browns issued a statement Wednesday afternoon confirming that Winslow was still hospitalized, but no details of the knee injury were given. The statement did say that concern remains with the right knee. It went on to say that the team wouldn't comment on any aspects of his contract.

      Winslow, the seventh overall choice in the 2004 draft, was hurt when he lost control of his Suzuki GSX-R750 and hit a curb in a parking lot of a community college in Westlake. Winslow, who was traveling an estimated 35 mph, was thrown over the handlebars and landed in a landscaped area. His helmet flew off, but he didn't suffer head injuries.

      A report on the "CBS Sportsline" website stated that Winslow might have punctured a lung and hurt a kidney. The kidney injury is believed to be a bruise.

      Winslow spent Sunday night at Fairview Hospital. He was transferred to the Cleveland Clinic Monday to be evaluated by Browns' physicians.

      Missing the 2005 season could cost Winslow plenty of money because of a breach in Paragraph 3 of his contract that states he must refrain from participating in hazardous non-football activities that involve a significant risk of injury. Activities include, but aren't limited to, skydiving, hang gliding, mountain climbing, auto racing, motorcycling, scuba diving and skiing.

      The team could recover $5 million of his initial $6 million signing bonus and the entire $4.4125 million option bonus that was triggered in early March. Winslow received $2 million of that bonus in March, but the remaining $2.4125 isn't payable until July 15.

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      -05-05-2005, 03:53 PM
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      -05-03-2005, 01:23 PM
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