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    The Giants are suddenly 2-1, and while that isn't a total surprise considering that their victories came against the Redskins and, most recently, a severely decimated band of Browns, it is how they are doing it rather than to whom that has been impressive.

    The Giants are suddenly 2-1, and while that isn't a total surprise considering that their victories came against the Redskins and, most recently, a severely decimated band of Browns, it is how they are doing it rather than to whom that has been impressive.

    Starting QB Kurt Warner has regained his swagger, which may be bad news for the remaining defenses on the schedule and perhaps a little dagger to the heart of the St. Louis Rams , who callously let him go and chose Marc Bulger instead.


    He is throwing the ball with uncanny precision, enough so that he has actually elicited praise from the normally tight-lipped veteran wide receivers, Amani Toomer and Ike Hilliard .

    "Kurt is putting the ball exactly where he has to for me to make the catch," said Toomer, who caught five passes for 126 yards against Cleveland. "He is spreading it around so that one or two of us are usually clear. And because of what he's doing, I think our offense is getting an identity. We are aggressive. You can't load up on our running game and you can't load up on our passing game because we are balanced."

    Hilliard, asked the difference between this year's offense and last year's 4-12 disaster, said: "Number 13. It all starts with him."

    The secret, of course, is two-fold: The Giants must continue to see the offensive line improve and, at the same time, they must stay away from injuries.

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    They now know what some of us knew about KW. really glad to see him doing well!Also glad for MB as well!

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    • #3
      Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

      Originally posted by talkstoangels61
      They now know what some of us knew about KW. really glad to see him doing well!Also glad for MB as well!
      Agreed...However, I believe the Giants are now 3-1!

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      • #4
        Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

        He's definitely benefitting from the type of gameplan they run up in New York. Good for him!

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        • #5
          Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

          Originally posted by NickSeiler
          He's definitely benefitting from the type of gameplan they run up in New York. Good for him!
          Right, by letting him play!

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          • #6
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            On the nose Rebel,On the nose!

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            • #7
              Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

              They beat Cleveland, Washington, and the Packers with Farve on the sidelines. It isn't like Warner is tearing up the stats like he did here in STL his first few years. Yes, he is having success and for that I'm glad for him. However, his skills for the type of offense the Rams run had eroded. Good for him though, hope he keeps it up.

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              • #8
                Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

                Originally posted by txramsfan
                Good for him though, hope he keeps it up.
                Just when I thought he had turned the corner on curious decision-making, KW took two sacks where he was outside the tackles and could have thrown it away, he threw it into triple coverage in the endzone for an unwarranted INT, and he slid at the goalline trying to spare himself from further injury. Those type of decisions don't inspire confidence regardless of the team.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

                  Originally posted by rebel13
                  Right, by letting him play!
                  Wrong, by putting him in a controlled offense where he isn't throwing the ball 45 times!

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

                    Originally posted by adarian_too
                    Just when I thought he had turned the corner on curious decision-making, KW took two sacks where he was outside the tackles and could have thrown it away, he threw it into triple coverage in the endzone for an unwarranted INT, and he slid at the goalline trying to spare himself from further injury. Those type of decisions don't inspire confidence regardless of the team.
                    He's also put up a 68.9 QB rating against the blitz.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

                      Kurt's QB rating is 93.8 not to shabby considering the state of the Giants O-line and the conservative nature of the Giants offense. It ranks him #8th among QBs this year. :ramlogo: His NFL average is 97, so I think he's about on par with past performance

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                        Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

                        Originally posted by Shadesofgrey
                        Kurt's QB rating is 93.8 not to shabby considering the state of the Giants O-line and the conservative nature of the Giants offense.
                        I think it's the conservative nature of the offense that's helped Warner. He's not taking the kind of risks he took with St. Louis. They're playing smart, controlled ball in New York, limiting the amount of times he has to drop back in the pocket because of their strong running game. You make it sound like he's put up this rating despite a limiting offense, but I think it's the offense itself that's helped him put up his numbers.

                        Sort of the same reason why Manning will finish the year with a high total in passing yards. His offense dictates that he passes a lot, so logically if he plays well, he's going to be near or at the top in that category. Just like Jamal Lewis was able to approach the single-season running record last year; he ran the ball 387 times. As long as the Giants aren't making Warner drop back in the pocket fifty or more times a game and basically telling him to go win the game for them, I think he'll do well, and I think a part of that is skill and another part is system.
                        Last edited by Nick; -10-05-2004, 10:42 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

                          Can we have a thread on James Hodgins? How about Jeff Zgonina? Or maybe Robert Holcolmbe? Oooh, maybe a rousing debate on whether we were wrong to let Fred Miller go... or Ryan Tucker... or even... dare I say... Az Hakim.

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                          • #14
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                            Hey, I started a thread about Lamar Gordon. I'm only one man! Someone has to help me!

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Giants on Kurt Warner

                              Originally posted by AvengerRam
                              Can we have a thread on James Hodgins? How about Jeff Zgonina? Or maybe Robert Holcolmbe? Oooh, maybe a rousing debate on whether we were wrong to let Fred Miller go... or Ryan Tucker... or even... dare I say... Az Hakim.
                              If there were interest on any of those players, this "General NFL Talk" forum would be a great place to have a thread like that. However, since there is currently no interest in those players and there is, in fact, interest in Kurt Warner, for various reasons, then there really shouldn't be a problem with threads dealing with Kurt Warner, should there?
                              The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Giants have given up on Warner, season
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                They are down 37-7 after three quarters, and here are Eli's numbers:

                                Attempts: 17
                                Completions: 4
                                Yards: 27
                                TDs: 0
                                Ints: 2
                                QB Rating: -21.3!!!!!!!

                                And still, they haven't brought Warner back in.

                                Clearly the Giants want Eli to have his trial by fire, and they don't care if the season is burned along with him.

                                Oh well. At least Kurt showed enough in his nine games to get a gig next year.
                                -12-12-2004, 12:53 PM
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                                QB Kurt Warner is set to leave the Giants and become a starter for another NFL team.
                                by Guest
                                December 29, 2004

                                EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Kurt Warner believes he can and will be a starting quarterback in the NFL.



                                QB Kurt Warner is set to leave the Giants and become a starter for another NFL team.
                                Eli Manning is the Giants’ starter. Therefore, the Giants’ Sunday night season finale against the Dallas Cowboys could well be Warner’s final game in a Giants uniform.

                                “Very possibly,” Warner said today. “I think everybody would foresee that being the case. Who knows what’s going to happen? You never know what the future has in store and what could transpire. But I think that’s everybody’s thought process right now.

                                “I want to be somewhere starting next year. They know it’s not here with the New York Giants. And they understand my point of view 100 percent.”

                                Warner, who was signed as a free agent on June 2 after a record-breaking six-year run with the St. Louis Rams, started the first nine games of the season. The Giants were 5-4 in those games and Warner completed 62.8 percent of his passes (174 of 277) for 2,054 yards, six touchdowns and four interceptions. Warner’s quarterback rating of 86.5 still ranks seventh in the NFC.

                                After a 17-14 loss in Arizona on November 14, coach Tom Coughlin named Manning the new starting quarterback. The first pick in this year’s NFL Draft – and a player the Giants obtained in a trade of draft choices, including this year’s first round pick -- Manning was the quarterback of the future. The only question was when that future would arrive.

                                Since it did, Warner has played just once in relief, an appearance in a hopelessly lost cause in the fourth quarter of a 23-point defeat in Baltimore, where he led the Giants to their only offensive touchdown.

                                Throughout what could have been a difficult or uncomfortable position, Warner has carried himself with dignity and grace. He has helped Manning whenever possible. Warner has publicly advocated that Coughlin stick with Manning, even when the youngster struggled, and it seemed he might have a shot to play again. And Warner has never hidden from the media. Today he entered the locker room and said, “Does anybody need me?”

                                While Warner is an exceptional gentleman, he is also an intense competitor. It is that fire that helped him win two NFL Most Valuable Player awards and twice lead the Rams to the Super Bowl, including a victory five years ago. At 33, Warner insists he has plenty of good football left in him, a notion that was cemented in his own mind by his play early this season.

                                “I’m not going to be content, right now in my career, where I am and what I believe I can do, being a backup next year,” he said. “It’s just the bottom line. It’s nothing against the New York Giants, it’s nothing against the situation, the coaches, the organization. I love my year here. But I’m not content being a backup. I think...
                                -12-29-2004, 06:57 PM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                Interesting Takes From Warner & Coughlin
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                Wednesday, June 9, 2004


                                By Sal Paolantonio
                                Special to ESPN.com

                                EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- You can see it in his eyes. Kurt Warner's eyes are wide open, revealing the happiness of a man who has emerged from the long slumber of lost opportunity.


                                "I feel completely re-energized," said Warner, as he came off the field after his first mini-camp practice with his new team, the New York Giants.



                                Warner lacked some zip on his passes during practices.
                                Rewind to Giants Stadium, Week 1 last year. Under constant pressure from Michael Strahan and company, Warner was sacked six times and fumbled six times, and started his last game for the St. Louis Rams. Sitting on the trainer's table in the visitors' locker room at Giants Stadium that Sunday afternoon, Warner had just been diagnosed with a mild concussion and his eyes had the vacant look of a man who had just bought a one-way ticket down the rabbit hole.


                                The contrast between Warner then and Warner now couldn't be more stark. And the situation couldn't be more ironic -- the team that ended his season has now handed Warner a chance at NFL redemption.


                                It's no wonder that Warner has displayed the same wide-eyed eagerness of the former stock boy from Iowa who emerged from NFL Europe and replaced the injured Trent Green to re-write the history of Rams football in St. Louis.


                                "Normally, the player will sit down and will have to talk to his agent on the phone," said Giants head coach Tom Coughlin. "He said, 'I don't want any of this. Let's get this done.' He signed right away. He was down the hall, looking for coaches, saying 'Let's go meet.' He wanted to get himself immersed in this offense right away."


                                There is good reason for Warner to be anxious. Coming to New York means that Warner, who will be 33 on June 22, will be under-going several mid-life, mid-course adjustments.


                                He must adjust to the demands of Coughlin's offense, which shall we say is a bit more conservative than the Greatest Show on Turf choreographed by Mike Martz. And Warner will be learning the new offense with a newly minted franchise quarterback, Eli Manning, looking over his shoulder.


                                The Giants invested two first-round draft picks and expended a lot of public relations good will to acquire Manning in a trade with San Diego in this year's NFL draft. Some see Warner as the perfect mentor for Manning, or at least a temporary diversion so that Manning can incubate his talents without being over-exposed by the white, hot lights of the New York media.


                                Warner will have none of that. You can tell by the tone and conviction in his voice that, for Warner, this is not about Peyton Manning's little brother.


                                "Obviously, I'm coming in to...
                                -06-10-2004, 04:07 PM
                              • Nick
                                Warner must prove he can still produce - Pasquarelli
                                by Nick
                                Warner must prove he can still produce
                                By Len Pasquarelli
                                ESPN.com


                                The Giants are hoping that Kurt Warner will take better care of the ball.

                                On the New York Giants' Web site Thursday morning, a hastily photographed digital image of the franchise's newest starting quarterback appeared -- Kurt Warner in a red practice jersey bearing his familiar No. 13.

                                Given the recent performance of the all-time league leader in passing efficiency -- remember, this is a player who hasn't won a game as a starter since 2001 -- both the color of the practice shirt and the numerals emblazoned on the front and back of it might, alas, prove pretty appropriate.

                                The Giants are hoping that Kurt Warner will take better care of the ball.
                                The Giants wear blue uniforms, of course, and the red practice jersey is a universal "don't touch" cautionary measure designed to keep pass rushers from jostling the quarterback. As for the No. 13, well, surely the most non-superstitious among us understands its ominous implications. Even the great Dan Marino, who also thumbed his nose at fate by donning No. 13 for all 17 of his mostly brilliant seasons, eventually could not elude the misfortune attached to those dire digits.

                                And so, while we hope we're wrong about this, given that Warner is a good guy and one who couldn't depart St. Louis before first passing through the Rams' complex to visit with the people who served as his support group for six seasons, that red practice shirt and the No. 13 represent an ominous beginning to the next chapter of his career.

                                During an afternoon news conference, a smiling Warner noted Giants officials were kind enough to allow him to retain his favorite uniform number. Maybe a change of scenery, though, begged for a change from the recently cursed 13. Warner also noted that, after starting just one game in 2003, it is time to get his feet wet again. But should he spend much of '04 submerged beneath the opposition pass rush, desperately trying to tread water behind New York's remodeled offensive line, Warner might someday look back on the irony of his words.

                                Make no mistake, signing Warner to a two-year contract worth $9.5 million -- which, in reality, is a one-year deal at $3 million, since the second year is voidable -- was a solid enough gamble by New York. But there is no mistaking as well that Warner, who will turn 33 in a couple weeks and who was sacked six times while throwing but one touchdown pass in 2003, isn't the same guy who claimed two league MVP awards and led the Rams to a Super Bowl XXXIV championship.

                                Once the ego of Kerry Collins kept him from collecting a $7 million paycheck this year for introducing the Tutor Dynasty at Giants Stadium, serving as a grizzled starter/mentor to Eli Manning, the team sought Neil O'Donnell for that position. When he declined, and it became clear Warner...
                                -06-08-2004, 09:52 AM
                              • Nick
                                Warner wows his receivers
                                by Nick
                                Warner wows his receivers
                                Accurate with passes

                                BY RALPH VACCHIANO
                                DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

                                ALBANY - When the ball comes out of Kurt Warner's hand, more often than not it wobbles. It's not a bad throw by any measure of an NFL quarterback, and it's obviously worked for him in the past.

                                It just seems to pale in comparison to the perfect spiral rookie Eli Manning throws time after time.

                                But the beauty of Warner's arm and his wobbly passes are in the eyes of his receivers. And so far Warner's new teammates on the Giants love what they see.

                                "It doesn't matter what his passes look like because the stat sheet doesn't show the aesthetics of a pass," said running back Tiki Barber. "He's smart. He knows how to throw the ball where it needs to be."

                                That's what Warner always did best in St. Louis, where he threw for 14,447 yards and 102 touchdowns in a mostly remarkable six seasons. And by all accounts that's what he's done in his first week of training camp with the Giants as well. Warner has an uncanny knack for being accurate in both his decisions and where he places the football. And even though he's still in the early stages of learning the Giants' new offense, there's been no evidence that he's lost his touch.

                                "Kurt is a great anticipator," receiver Ike Hilliard said. "He's seeing the offenses and defenses and routes and schemes to where he can see it open up. It's almost like second nature. Regardless of how the ball looks, as long as it gets to us it's OK. He doesn't have to throw a dart all the time because he's anticipating a second or two ahead. That's all that matters."

                                Warner has always been good at anticipating where a play is going. He may have had great receivers in St. Louis in Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt, but the Rams' offense wouldn't have been The Greatest Show on Turf if Warner hadn't been able to constantly hit them on the run.

                                In fact, no one has ever done that better. Warner's career completion rate of 66.1% is the highest of anyone who's ever thrown 1,500 NFL passes. For four straight years in St. Louis - 1999-2002 - his percentage never dipped below 65.1. And even last year, when the Giants beat him up in the season opener and forced him to play through a concussion, he still completed 62.9% of his throws for 365 yards.

                                And yet, Warner believes this year he could be even better.

                                "I'm smarter," Warner said. "I see the field better. I make better decisions than I did before. Through the years, I just feel every year I've gotten better from a mental standpoint. I've been able to slow the game down and I'm able to react to things better than I ever did before."

                                That, of course, is what the Giants are counting on, and it's exactly why they signed Warner in June. The strong-armed, 23-year-old...
                                -08-09-2004, 10:01 AM
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