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  • Aikman on Warner

    Speaking of Eli Manning, I'm surprised that he is not the starting quarterback of the Giants by now. Before the season began, I didn't expect Kurt Warner to still be the starter at the midway point of the season.

    That's a credit to the way Warner has played -- and to the entire Giants team. Forget about Warner for a moment. Most believed the Giants had too many holes -- especially along the offensive line -- to be a legitimate contender this year. The offensive line has surprised and actually been one of the strengths of this team, having played relatively consistent all season.

    As a result, Warner has played great. His numbers at the end of the season will not be indicative of how well he's played, simply because of the system. He's only got four touchdown passes on the year -- in St. Louis, he would have had that many by Week 2. So even though he only has two interceptions, they are enough to lower his passer rating. That's why people who don't see him week in and week out probably don't appreciate how well he's played.

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    Re: Aikman on Warner

    He certainly has played well, and should be making a strong case for other teams in need of a quarterback. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears had his phone number on speed dial, with their quarterback problems this season.

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      Re: Aikman on Warner

      Originally posted by NickSeiler
      He certainly has played well, and should be making a strong case for other teams in need of a quarterback. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears had his phone number on speed dial, with their quarterback problems this season.
      Nick, I agree, the Bears would be a perfect fit, but for some reason, da' Bears seem really stubborn about making a permanent starter out of Grossman. I'm starting to believe more and more that he will be a panther next season. Delhomme is looking like a one year anomoly on a team that needs some consistency. Another idea may be Buffalo. He could do the same thing for Losman that he is doing for Eli.
      Originally posted by R8rh8rMike
      Warner has played great.
      I love the fact that Kurt is playing great. He's a great rags-to-riches story and will always be one of my favorite Rams. I hope (and believe) his success continues on wherever he plays...as long as he's not playing us.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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        Re: Aikman on Warner

        Nick, I agree, the Bears would be a perfect fit, but for some reason, da' Bears seem really stubborn about making a permanent starter out of Grossman. I'm starting to believe more and more that he will be a panther next season. Delhomme is looking like a one year anomoly on a team that needs some consistency. Another idea may be Buffalo. He could do the same thing for Losman that he is doing for Eli.
        It would be great if Warner could settle in somewhere and finish his career with one team. I would hate to see him relegated to being a set up guy like Steve Deberg became. Warner is still much too viable for that IMO.

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          Re: Aikman on Warner

          Originally posted by r8rh8rmike
          It would be great if Warner could settle in somewhere and finish his career with one team. I would hate to see him relegated to being a set up guy like Steve Deberg became. Warner is still much too viable for that IMO.
          On a lighter note however, if the rest of his career does model Deberg, KW should have about 12 years left. Didn't Deberg retire at 45?
          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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            Re: Aikman on Warner

            Actually , Deberg is still playing in the Iceland Football League! :redface:

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            • Nick
              Footballguys.com Analysis of Warner Situation
              by Nick
              Fantasy Notebook: Fool Me Once, Shame On You. ...
              By Bob Harris - Senior NFL Analyst - Footballguys.com

              Well, the latest reports filtering out of the Big Apple say Kurt Warner
              looked sharp during his initial mini-camp workouts this week. His passes
              were crisp and mostly on target. But as New York Daily News staffer Ralph
              Vacchiano noted, the surprise was that Eli Manning's passes looked even
              better.

              After struggling through his first mini-camp as a pro early last month,
              Manning put all that behind him Monday with a much-improved performance
              that caught the eyes of his coaches and teammates.

              According to Vacchiano, "his command in the huddle was better and he had a
              much greater knowledge of the offense. And as a result, he was able to
              show off the right arm that the Giants worked so hard to acquire in their
              blockbuster draft-day trade."

              Wow. Sounds pretty darned good. ...

              Unfortunately, Manning didn't fare as well Tuesday. Which should come as
              no surprise. Once again, we're talking about a rookie trying to get up to
              speed at the league's most difficult position to master.

              Which is why, I suspect, we'll see a growing media drumbeat surrounding
              the Warner/Manning competition with Warner putting increasing pressure on
              his younger teammate as he becomes familiar with the Giants' system and
              his NFL MVP experience begins to factor into the equation.

              But that doesn't mean I believe Warner is the best man for this job. Nor
              am I sure he's not. And I'm not alone in my confusion.

              In fact, after reviewing some of the opinions being floated by those "in
              the know," I've come to the conclusion that Warner is as mysterious to the
              rest of the world as he is to me.

              A sampling follows. ...

              In an article published Monday, Sports Illustrated insider Peter King
              advised readers: "I think Kurt Warner, whatever happens, will be a team
              player and will help Eli Manning as much as he can with the Giants. Warner
              is one of the few people I know in football who truly would help the guy
              behind him even if it meant it might hurt his situation."

              But former Giants quarterback Phil Simms disagreed.

              "The perfect guy (for the Giants) was Neil O'Donnell," Simms told the
              Newark Star-Ledger. "It's not a knock against Kurt, but the agendas are
              different. Kurt Warner still wants to be a franchise quarterback. He wants
              to be the guy. ... Kurt Warner will give information to Eli, but he's
              going to be more concerned about his performance, his knowledge and what
              he's doing."

              Another Sports Illustrated writer, NFL guru Paul Zimmerman, took things a
              step further,...
              -06-13-2004, 08:36 PM
            • Nick
              Warner's the man, at least to Warner
              by Nick
              Warner's the man, at least to Warner

              First published: Thursday, August 19, 2004

              ALBANY -- He's still the quarterback who takes teams to Olympus. Still the quarterback whose passing statistics are a fantasy of flight. Still the quarterback whose grocery-bags-to-NFL-MVP story felt as good as a kiss.
              Kurt Warner is convinced of this.

              He's gone from superstar to waiver wire. Untouchable to unwanted. At the end in St. Louis, the Rams were as eager to show Warner the door as he was to pass through it. He was signed by the Giants to be a mentor and stopgap, until Eli Manning is ready. Everything in Warner's career has changed -- but him, he insists.

              In nearly every player's career there comes a time when his skills, as Bill Belichick once said of Bernie Kosar's, diminish. Age and injuries make mortals of all. The player knows when he enters the winter of his career, but he won't publicly admit it.

              Warner, now 33, says he's the same quarterback, and because he's friendly, and gracious with his time, you want to believe him.

              But you don't.

              Once, Warner led the Greatest Show on Turf. Now, he's trying to hold Manning at bay long enough to audition for a starting job with another team next season. That's not the same at all.

              There has never been an NFL player like Kurt Warner. From stock boy to wonder boy to oh boy, what happened. It would be as if Greg Maddux had gone from video store clerk to Cy Young control artist to a pitcher who stopped throwing strikes, though Warner doesn't see it that way. The Rams' 0-8 record in his last eight games as a starter didn't change Warner's opinion of himself.

              "You have to say, 'Did Kurt Warner lose those eight games because Kurt Warner didn't play well, or did the Rams lose those last eight games because the team didn't play well?' " Warner said. "I think that's where people sometimes get skewed in their opinion."

              Warner doesn't mention that the Rams were 18-4 the past two seasons when Marc Bulger started at quarterback. Granted, win-loss percentage isn't everything. But it's something. And playing on the same team, with the same players, Bulger enjoyed success while Warner flopped. But if Warner's fumbling 14 times and throwing 11 interceptions with only four touchdowns in those eight games have cracked his confidence, he conceals it behind his disarming smile.

              "I feel like I can play as well as anybody in this league," Warner said. "I can still play this game. I don't plan on being average."

              Thing is, average would be an improvement.

              One trait players like in their quarterback: accountability. They respect a guy who accepts criticism when warranted and shares praise when deserved. But in a recent conversation, this is as close as Warner came to acknowledging he performed...
              -08-22-2004, 11:40 AM
            • Yodude
              Don't bet against Warner.....
              by Yodude
              Don't bet against Warner reviving his career in Arizona


              BY JEFF GORDON
              Post-Dispatch Online Sports Columnist
              03/07/2005

              Kurt Warner’s gambit paid off.

              The former Rams hero signed with the New York Giants as the interim starter for last season. He agreed to direct that offense on a temporary basis while prized prospect Eli Manning learned the ropes.

              All along, Warner’s role was to mentor the kid. At some point, he knew that Manning would take his job. The Giants traded the farm for the kid, then paid him all the money in the world. His ascension was not a matter of if, but when.

              Kurt also knew the Giants had offensive shortcomings that would make this assignment doubly hard. But this was arguably his only guaranteed shot to re-establish himself in 2004, so he took it.

              Warner accomplished just enough to earn a real opportunity -– to quarterback the Arizona Cardinals in 2005, with no strings attached.

              Warner insists he is ready. He believes he can play for another five or six years. He promises the world that he still has game.

              “I still feel like I have a lot left,” Warner told ESPN Radio. “I wanted to be on the field. I wanted to be in a situation where, for the most part, I controlled my own destiny.”


              He flashed some of his old magic with the Giants last season, particularly earlier in his nine-game stint. The team was far more successful with him at the helm than Manning.

              “Obviously, I hated to be taken out,” Warner said. “Two weeks before I got pulled, we were sitting at 5-2. We were the second-best team in the NFC. Obviously, the next two weeks we didn’t play as well as we would have liked to.”

              But, he added, “In every single game we were competitive, we gave ourselves a chance to win.”

              Warner completed 174 of 277 passes for 2,054 yards last season. He threw six touchdown passes and four interceptions. His passer rating was 86.5. He finished with a 5-4 record as a starter.

              By contrast, Manning won just one game as a starter. He completed 95 of 197 passes for 1,043 yards, six touchdowns and nine interceptions. His passer rating was, ahem, 55.4.

              The benching, Warner said, “was unfortunate at the time. In the long-run, it was beneficial to me.”

              Manning’s dismal play and the Giants’ offensive demise put Warner’s so-so play in context. “People could see how well I was playing, or playing within that role,” he said. “I think my stock actually rose after that time.”

              What if Warner had finished out the season as starter?

              “My stats wouldn’t have been that good,” he said. “We would have finished 8-8, 9-7.”


              Many experts, though, argue that No. 13 is done. They point to his later work with the Giants, when he became tentative in the pocket and absorbed...
              -03-09-2005, 02:56 PM
            • Nick
              Warner wows his receivers
              by Nick
              Warner wows his receivers
              Accurate with passes

              BY RALPH VACCHIANO
              DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

              ALBANY - When the ball comes out of Kurt Warner's hand, more often than not it wobbles. It's not a bad throw by any measure of an NFL quarterback, and it's obviously worked for him in the past.

              It just seems to pale in comparison to the perfect spiral rookie Eli Manning throws time after time.

              But the beauty of Warner's arm and his wobbly passes are in the eyes of his receivers. And so far Warner's new teammates on the Giants love what they see.

              "It doesn't matter what his passes look like because the stat sheet doesn't show the aesthetics of a pass," said running back Tiki Barber. "He's smart. He knows how to throw the ball where it needs to be."

              That's what Warner always did best in St. Louis, where he threw for 14,447 yards and 102 touchdowns in a mostly remarkable six seasons. And by all accounts that's what he's done in his first week of training camp with the Giants as well. Warner has an uncanny knack for being accurate in both his decisions and where he places the football. And even though he's still in the early stages of learning the Giants' new offense, there's been no evidence that he's lost his touch.

              "Kurt is a great anticipator," receiver Ike Hilliard said. "He's seeing the offenses and defenses and routes and schemes to where he can see it open up. It's almost like second nature. Regardless of how the ball looks, as long as it gets to us it's OK. He doesn't have to throw a dart all the time because he's anticipating a second or two ahead. That's all that matters."

              Warner has always been good at anticipating where a play is going. He may have had great receivers in St. Louis in Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt, but the Rams' offense wouldn't have been The Greatest Show on Turf if Warner hadn't been able to constantly hit them on the run.

              In fact, no one has ever done that better. Warner's career completion rate of 66.1% is the highest of anyone who's ever thrown 1,500 NFL passes. For four straight years in St. Louis - 1999-2002 - his percentage never dipped below 65.1. And even last year, when the Giants beat him up in the season opener and forced him to play through a concussion, he still completed 62.9% of his throws for 365 yards.

              And yet, Warner believes this year he could be even better.

              "I'm smarter," Warner said. "I see the field better. I make better decisions than I did before. Through the years, I just feel every year I've gotten better from a mental standpoint. I've been able to slow the game down and I'm able to react to things better than I ever did before."

              That, of course, is what the Giants are counting on, and it's exactly why they signed Warner in June. The strong-armed, 23-year-old...
              -08-09-2004, 10:01 AM
            • LaRamsFanLongTime
              Kurt Warner has been benched
              by LaRamsFanLongTime
              After another hard loss for the New Yourk Giants, Tom Coughlin announced that Eli Manning will start for the Giants. After the loss Coughlin said Warner would start but Monday the story changed and so did the starting QB for the Giants.

              "Eli has been involved in the game plan, he knows the system and he will come in and play the game."

              "Kurt will be very supportive of Eli."
              This sucks for Kurt, man I was pulling for him.
              -11-15-2004, 11:37 AM
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