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    Coughlin Sticking with Manning As Starter

    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - Despite horrific struggles in recent weeks, Tom Coughlin still believes that Eli Manning is going to be an outstanding quarterback for the reeling New York Giants.

    Coughlin reiterated Monday that the No. 1 pick in the draft will start against the Pittsburgh Steelers (12-1), adding that giving Manning a week off to clear his head wasn't an option.

    "The rookie player that has this type of opportunity, and this type of experience, it is a priceless experience that does not come without pain," Coughlin said in a conference call as he reviewed a 37-14 loss to Baltimore.

    Not only is Manning winless in four starts since taking over from Kurt Warner, his statistics are dreadful. He has completed 42-of-110 passes for 516 yards, one touchdown and six interceptions. His quarterback rating is a 33.8 percent -- the lowest in the NFL for anyone with 100 pass attempts.

    And the Giants have lost their last three games by at least 21 points, the first time that has happened since 1980.

    Manning has had two good halves, one against Atlanta and another versus Philadelphia. His last two games have been horrible.

    Against the Ravens on Sunday, Manning was 4-for-18 for 27 yards, two interceptions, a lost fumble and a zero rating.

    The Giants, who have lost six in a row, didn't do anything on offense until Warner took over in the fourth quarter and led a touchdown drive. The other TD was provided by the New York defense.

    "Yesterday was a setback," Coughlin said of Manning. "I thought the second half Atlanta and the first half Philadelphia were outstanding, and in the right direction. The last two weeks have not been as such, but I am not changing my opinion one iota. I think you have to play through these things."

    There are valid excuses for Manning's woes.

    The offensive line has struggled since Game 6. Center Shaun O'Hara has missed three games and rookie guard Chris Snee has missed the last two with a baffling glandular infection.

    In the last three games, Manning has faced three of the NFL's top defenses -- Philadelphia, Washington and Baltimore. All three have put in wrinkles that confused the young quarterback.

    The Steelers fit in the same category, which doesn't bode well for this weekend at Giants Stadium.

    "It is causing him to pause at the line of scrimmage, which is really affecting the offense," Coughlin said. "We seem to be over the ball too long. We have to make a determination and go."

    The Giants' receivers haven't helped much.

    Amani Toomer has been battling a hamstring injury. Ike Hilliard has had a sub-par year and tight end Jeremy Shockey, who might be the most potent weapon, has not been used well by the coaching staff. The team's two speed receivers, Tim Carter and Jamaar Taylor, have been injured much of the season.

    "I just feel if something good would happen for Eli and the offensive team they would feel a lot better about themselves," Coughlin said.

    Coughlin said Manning had Toomer open deep in the first quarter and underthrew the ball. Shockey fell on another pattern and Hilliard was deliberately tripped by a fallen defender on a play where Coughlin said the officials missed the call.

    Manning, who was not available Monday, was concerned his play had caused teammates to lose trust in him.

    "I do know I haven't proved anything to them," Manning said Sunday. "I have to show them I know what I am doing."

    While he knew the jump from Mississippi to the NFL would be tough, Manning has been surprised by his own play.

    "You never expect it to go like this," said the younger brother of NFL co-MVP Peyton Manning. "I'm struggling now, but I have to find a way to get out of this."

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    At this point, I'm glad to see Manning starting. Warner has made his point and shown he can still be an effective starter in the NFL despite a horrible line and inept recievers. While I think he would have done exponentially better than Eli the last four games, I'm glad he's not in there taking a beating. Besides, I'm having too fun watching the spoiled brat get his just reward. Seeing a possible playoff spot foe crash and burn is nice too.

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by r8rh8rmike
      At this point, I'm glad to see Manning starting. Warner has made his point and shown he can still be an effective starter in the NFL despite a horrible line and inept recievers. While I think he would have done exponentially better than Eli the last four games, I'm glad he's not in there taking a beating. Besides, I'm having too fun watching the spoiled brat get his just reward. Seeing a possible playoff spot foe crash and burn is nice too.
      I concur with your assessment

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      • #4
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        /agree with both of you

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        • #5
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          Believe me, seeing Warner play those two series against Baltimore was the highlight of my Sunday. Man, I was in such a good mood before the Rams game started.

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          • #6
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            They made the decision and there's no turning back.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by moklerman
              Believe me, seeing Warner play those two series against Baltimore was the highlight of my Sunday. Man, I was in such a good mood before the Rams game started.
              I felt the same way Mok. Warner only improved his value with that short stint although detractors would say it was after the outcome was already decided and against a passive defense. To me, it simulated what he could do in a situation where he had a good line and competent recievers in contrast to being judged solely on his stats playing on an offense that gave him little support as a starter.

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              • #8
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                The other point about that is the Ravens don't really play conservative defense. They weren't rushing three and sitting back in a zone with their backups. They were still playing the same defense that they were playing at the start of the third quarter for the most part. Ray Lewis was still on the field as well as most of the starters.

                Granted, the game was already decided but that's actually in Warner's favor as well. The game was already decided in the 3rd and half of the 4th when Eli was still struggling. There was an obvious improvement when Warner came in the game. Warner looked refreshed compared to his last start vs. the Cardinals. He finally played, like I've been saying all along, like he didn't have a gorilla on his back. He knew where he stood and wasn't worried about making a mistake and losing his job. I still think that's been his biggest problem since 2002, constantly looking over his shoulder.

                No one will believe me since I'm a Warner radical, but it seems that it's a very possible, dare I say, likely scenario?

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                • #9
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                  No QB can perform when the expectation is perfection and they are constantly looking over their shoulder (although Brees might be the exception to that theory this season). Bulger was proof of that last year...look how much better he's playing this year. Sure some of that is just more experience, but I think Warner being gone has also played a part.

                  I'm genuinely happy for Warner....yes he's been benched, but he's proved beyond doubt that he can still play. I hope things work out for him next season. I'm tired of him having to play the part of the scarificial lamb on a team with no offensive line.

                  On a side note, I think the decision to bench him came from upstairs. I think given the chance, Coughlin would have rather had Manning sit and learn all season long. It's just as well, let the Golden Boy take his lumps behind that sorry excuse for an offensive line.

                  I've said it before and I still firmly believe that Warner will prove alot of people wrong before he's done.

                  Originally posted by moklerman
                  No one will believe me since I'm a Warner radical
                  Fear not, bro....there are still believers out there.
                  Clannie Nominee for ClanRam's Thickest Poster

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                  • #10
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                    Fear not, bro....there are still believers out there.
                    We're EVERYWHERE, we're EVERYWHERE.

                    Good thoughts all.

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                    • #11
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                      There aren't a lot of teams that Warner would fit in as an immediate starter next year though. If the Cowboys don't at least make an attempt at Brees they will have a huge fan base to answer to. Denver is intriguing. Baltimore is out as Boller has come on. Collins is firing finally in Oakland so that's out. I wouldn't wish any QB to play behind the Miami line.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by txramsfan
                        There aren't a lot of teams that Warner would fit in as an immediate starter next year though. If the Cowboys don't at least make an attempt at Brees they will have a huge fan base to answer to. Denver is intriguing. Baltimore is out as Boller has come on. Collins is firing finally in Oakland so that's out. I wouldn't wish any QB to play behind the Miami line.
                        True, but San Diego is going to franchise Brees. Is Dallas willing to pony up what it would cost to trade for Brees?
                        The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                        • #13
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                          All indications here think that they will. They've stockpiled a bunch of draft picks, and Brees is from Austin Westlake.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Coughlin Sticking with Manning As Starter

                            Originally posted by txramsfan
                            All indications here think that they will. They've stockpiled a bunch of draft picks, and Brees is from Austin Westlake.
                            Wow, SD would be rolling in draft picks between Dallas and the Giants! That could be quite handy for them, assuming Rivers pans out.
                            The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                              If I were the Chargers, I'd consider putting Rivers on the trading block rather than Brees. Its not like Brees is old, and he has now proven he can be a very good NFL QB. Rivers, on the other hand, has proven nothing thus far, and could be the next Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith for all they know.

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                              • RamWraith
                                Manning startng
                                by RamWraith
                                ESPN.com news services

                                Rookie quarterback Eli Manning will make his first professional start when the Giants play the defending NFC champion Panthers in a preseason game Thursday.

                                Giants coach Tom Coughlin made the announcement Tuesday.

                                Manning is competing with veteran Kurt Warner for the starting job. Warner started last week's 34-24 victory over Kansas City.

                                "It's Eli's turn. Eli will go. He will start," Coughlin said. "The decision coming in is that they will compete for the job, and so therefore we're going to give them the opportunity for both of them to have a start. And this is Eli's opportunity.
                                -08-17-2004, 11:08 AM
                              • Nick
                                On 2nd thought, Eli may start
                                by Nick
                                On 2nd thought, Eli may start
                                BY JULIAN GARCIA
                                DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

                                Tom Coughlin got his first chance to see quarterbacks Kurt Warner and Eli Manning in game conditions when the Giants played the Kansas City Chiefs in the teams' preseason opener on Friday night. Then early yesterday morning, Coughlin got a second look - on tape - and it's clear he likes what he sees from the rookie.

                                A few days after declaring the race for the starting job dead even, Coughlin still maintains that neither quarterback has taken the inside track at this point. But this much seems clear: Manning has a legitimate chance to start the season as the No.1 quarterback.

                                "There is a ways to go in this thing," Coughlin said in a conference call with reporters yesterday.

                                In the Giants' 34-24 win against the Chiefs, Warner played with the first-team offense and completed three of his seven passes for 49 yards. Manning entered to a standing ovation midway through the second quarter and completed seven of 13 attempts for 91 yards.

                                Neither quarterback threw a touchdown pass or an interception.

                                Though Coughlin seemed annoyed when a reporter asked him during a postgame press conference whether he would start Manning in Thursday's game at Carolina - the coach snapped: "I'll make that decision later in the week, thank you very much" - he appears to be considering flip-flopping the quarterbacks' roles this week.

                                Coughlin said he will review the game tape again before making a decision, but he added that he was pleased with the way Manning moved the team, particularly in a two-minute drill at the end of the first half that culminated in Bill Gramatica's 42-yard field goal at the gun.

                                What stood out most about Manning's performance was how composed he remained during the drill, Coughlin said. Not that he was surprised by that.

                                "He's done that throughout training camp," the coach said.

                                Coughlin also said he would like to see Warner get rid of the ball a little sooner.

                                "I think Kurt, sometimes to a fault, will want to take advantage of every opportunity he has to allow the receiver to break free," Coughlin said.
                                -08-17-2004, 07:52 AM
                              • Nick
                                SI: Coughlin picked the wrong time to replace Warner with Manning at QB
                                by Nick
                                Coughlin picked the wrong time to replace Warner with Manning at QB
                                Posted: Tuesday November 16, 2004 11:17AM;
                                Updated: Tuesday November 16, 2004 1:29PM

                                New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin announced the news in his typically stern manner. Eli Manning is the future of his team, Coughlin said during his Monday afternoon press conference, and the future is starting now. He talked about Manning's preparation and attitude and made it seem as if the rookie quarterback was ready to lead a team that is in a mind-boggling free-fall. But Coughlin didn't sound confident. He sounded desperate. And if he thinks Eli Manning is going to change the Giants' fortunes, he's about to be seriously disappointed.

                                It's one thing for the New York media to clamor for Manning to replace struggling starter Kurt Warner. But for Coughlin to move to Manning now -- with the Giants sitting at 5-4 in a conference in which nine victories might secure a playoff spot -- smacks of sheer lunacy.

                                What exactly does Manning bring to the Giants offense that Warner didn't? He's just as immobile as Warner, which means he'll be sitting in the pocket and probably taking as many sacks as Warner did over the last four weeks. That's the reality of playing behind an offensive line that has started to perform as poorly as many people expected it would when the season began. Manning certainly won't take better care of the football than Warner did last Sunday, when he didn't not give the ball away in a 17-14 loss to Arizona. Warner atoned for a four-turnover performance a week earlier by not giving the ball away once in a loss to Arizona. And the last time I checked, Manning wasn't playing both ways, so he couldn't help a defense that has blown double-digit leads against offensively challenged teams in consecutive weeks.

                                There are countless issues for the Giants to address but apparently Manning is the man who will have to overcome them. It's a difficult position to place him in. He's only played in two games, both when the outcomes were clearly decided, so he'll have little feel for the action. He also didn't look so hot in his season-opening debut in relief of Warner, when Philadelphia Eagles defensive end Jerome McDougle hit him so hard that Manning briefly resembled a life-sized Bobblehead doll. Coughlin wisely stuck with Warner as his starter after that game, if for no other reason than that it made more sense for a 33-year-old quarterback to take that kind of abuse than the first pick in the draft. Now Manning is surely going to face worse treatment.

                                His first opponent up will be Atlanta, a team that had seven sacks in a win over Tampa Bay last Sunday. He then gets an Eagles defense that will be blitzing him all afternoon. Then comes Washington, Baltimore and Pittsburgh, three teams that all rank among the NFL's top five defensive units. If people thought Warner was having problems moving the offense,...
                                -11-16-2004, 01:31 PM
                              • RamFan_Til_I_Die
                                Eli Manning has a gun accident
                                by RamFan_Til_I_Die
                                Eli Manning Accidentally Shoots Himself with a Water Gun at Chuck E. Cheese


                                The New York Giants have been able to overcome a myriad of distractions this season, thanks in no small part to the steady hand of quarterback Eli Manning. But it is now Manning himself who has provided the latest distraction after accidentally shooting himself in the thigh last night at a Manhattan nightspot.

                                “Right now we are just concerned for Eli’s well being,” said head coach Tom Coughlin. “It was really embarrassing for him. The gunshot left a wet spot down the front of his pants, and all the other kids made fun of him, thinking he peed his pants. So he’s upset. He thought he had finally gotten past the years of taunts from bullies.”

                                Manning shot himself in the leg at approximately 5:25 p.m. when his Super Soaker water gun slipped down his OshKosh B’Gosh overalls as he climbed out of the ball pit, spraying his left thigh.

                                The quarterback’s mother, Olivia Manning, was at the Chuck E. Cheese with her son and fled the scene with him and disposed of the gun.

                                “We had to get out of there,” said Mrs. Manning. “We had to change his pants and it was time to go anyway – Eli gets overwhelmed after an hour or so at Chuck E. Cheese because of all the flashing lights and noise and all the other kids. And that gun had been leaking for a while. He has plenty of others.”

                                Security at the Chuck E. Cheese – namely the establishment’s security guard/janitor, Dale Huntley – said he was unaware of the incident.

                                “I didn’t see or hear the gunshot,” said Huntley. “But I was keeping my eye on him when I wasn’t emptying trash cans. He had the carriage of pee-pant, and you have to make sure those kids don’t pee in the ball pit or it becomes very unsanitary.”

                                Manning is currently in his mother’s bed recuperating from the traumatic incident, but the Giants expect him to be able to play on Sunday.

                                “He’ll be okay,” said Coughlin. “Usually when something bad happens to him, all he needs is a cup of hot cocoa and his Elmo DVD. He’s a trooper.”
                                -12-08-2008, 11:56 AM
                              • ramsanddodgers
                                Emotional Jeremy Shockey gives Eli Manning one last wedgie
                                by ramsanddodgers
                                Former New York Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey stopped by the team’s facility one last time on Monday to say his goodbyes to his ex-teammates before departing for New Orleans. He also made sure to pull Eli Manning’s underwear deep into the quarterback’s anus one last time.
                                “Oh, Eli, you stupid, little dork,” Shockey said, ripping Manning’s underwear strap up over his head. “I know I gave you a hard time. But I’m going to miss trying to jump for your overthrown passes and giving you wedgies and shoving your head in floater-filled toilets. You suck and I hate you. But it was all in good fun, you stupid queer.”
                                Manning says he has mixed feelings about Shockey’s departure.
                                “You hate to lose good players,” he said. “But I think I’ll play better without him yelling at me all the time. Not to mention that I’ll have less bleeding anal wounds to play through. The other fellas give me wedgies, of course, but not as much as Jeremy did.”




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