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  • Hybrid verse Conventional: Convention verses Asymmetric

    Put 2018 season in the books save for the Championships and Super Bowl, but its safe to conclude the following:

    First up are the hybrid QBs in the league. Watson and Jackson thus far have followed in the foot steps of RG III, Kaepernick, Cordell Stewart, Vick, and Cunningham--they ended up with winning seasons but couldn't get it done when it really matters, the playoffs. Of that list only Kaepernick made it to the Super Bowl (and lost) and is no longer and no long relevant to the game (forget his political views--coaches see the same faults I saw when he was playing; Kaepernick can't read defenses!)

    Only R. Wilson who could be considered a semi-hybrid QB has shown any long term success but when asked to put the game on his arm, he often falls short. There was really no secret why the Squawks adopted a new game plan midseason of run, run and more run first--its because Wilson wasn't getting the job done as a true QB. His legs can buy time to allow him to throw the ball but disciplined defenses maintaining their coverage often would thwart the Squawks passing game. The early part of 2018 season bares that out. With Watson & Jackson their QB skills where questionable and when those skills where needed, they where found wanting. At least Wilson won a Super Bowl. He won one because his running ability was an added asset like Steve Young. Ironically Wilson also lost a Super Bowl because of his arm or lack of QB sills in the waning moments of a Super Bowl.


    Compare all those QBs to the ones who made it to the second round in the playoffs....Goff, Breese, Brady, Prescott, Rivers Mahomes and Luck. Prescott is a poor man's shadow of R. Wilson and is not a franchise QB on any level and was it surprising Prescott failed miserably against the Rams? NO! Lack of a ground game put the ball win or loss squarely on Prescott's shoulders and in his arm. In terms of playoff level of play it was an epic failure along with Luck and Rivers. Perhaps the problem with hybrid QBs is not their athletic talent, but their maturation in developing an understanding of the game, reading defenses, and making pin-point throws. A Goff or a Brady are not going to run for 50 yards in a game, nor is a Rivers or Breeze. They have to get better as QBs because that is all they have as assets as players they have. Its what they learn and don't learn that makes a difference in contender or pretender.

    Why do teams keep going back to the hybrid style of QBs? I really don't know. The Red Skins got one good season out of RG III then bust; The 49whiners got really one good season out of Kaepernick and bust, the same with Cunningham, and a few good seasons with Vick. My memory is foggy with C. Stewart but over all another bust at a hybrid QB. There have been other "mobile" QBs in the league that have made it but as time wears on less and less running for their lives or to make plays. Mahomes will be an interesting study. He will get older, and slower but when might that be. Or maybe one too many runs and a crushing injury from a hit brings him down to earth--only time will tell
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    Its amazing the level of stupidity going in the second week of the playoffs, 2018, when it came to play selection and game planning. Colts, Chargers, and to some extent Dallas came into their games relying on "conventional wisdom" for playoff football--that is run the ball and play stout defense. With the Colts and Chargers they started each game with a very good QB and who have both proven they can win a game with their arms--so why start off trying to run the ball on teams who expect it? Their opponents had great home field advantages. Conventional wisdom says run the ball in such situations--the flips side of that coin is play stout defense and being that a run game is at best two dimensional its easier to defense against; the rules favor the passing game not the running game. An Asymmetric response is to allow a defense to press forward and drop a screen play on the defense and get the defense immediately second guessing themselves. Even a reverse or a flee flicker gimmick play could have caused confusion against the Chiefs and Patriots. Its simple logic that both the Chiefs and Patriots are where they are because they have the 1st and 2nd seats. To walk in and think your going to out physical your opponent on their home field is a stretch to begin with--setting aside the records and how those teams got their in the first place.

    Dallas/L.A. proves the point in reverse. Yes Dallas came in thinking they can move the ball on the ground against a team who allowed nearly 5yards per attempt. But Dallas failed to factor first the game is at best for them neutral ground, no home field advantage, against a team, the Rams, where there is everything to play for. Simply put 100yards rushing on Dallas' part was not going to win the Cowboys the game--they didn't even come close to 100yards. As for the Rams, the Asymmetric response was the conventional style of play--run the ball and play stout defense. Not even the Rams/Chiefs game earlier in the season where two explosive offenses took the field did the Rams go Ground Chuck but where bombs-away score happy offense. The Rams did something unexpected; Cowboys thought like Green Bay, contain the explosive big plays, keep the game manageable and close in in the 4th quarter. Fortunatelly for Dallas J. Goff was "off" with several big throws, and passes where dropped otherwise the beating they took would have been much worst because the Rams ground game was taking its toll.

    Dallas' attempt of "conventional" playoff football (run the ball & stout defense) wasn't enough--mainly because the Rams needed to mainly focus on Prescott and Zeke. And why besides some blown coverage on the Rams part a few other players made plays that lead to scores. But all in all, the Cowboy's defense couldn't stop the hemorrhage of points.

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    There is no guessing where the league will go as it evolves over time, but looking back over this season and last season hybrid QBs are the bane of pro-football. Success more a factor of being in weak divisions where 6 games are up for grabs. Teams that should have been a difference in divisional standings, Jacksonville, Bangles, Titans, Giants, and Raiders & Broncos where absent. Some of those divisions didn't have hybrid QBs or a hybrid offense. Game plans like using the Wild Cat are not a fixture of pro-football where once it was tried (Miami) . Where are the Tim Tebows---no where to be found anywhere save in the bleachers watching the game that saw their skill sets wanting

  • Ram Dragoon
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    Originally posted by cowboyhater View Post
    The Panthers collapsed and missed the playoffs, but overall I wouldn't consider Cam Newton a "bust". And going back a few years, Hall of Famer Bob Waterfield was a running QB. Of course he was spelled by pocket passer Norm Van Brocklin in the championship win over Cleveland.
    That's the problem with Cam...can you call him a hybrid or a QB...he has shown "both" tendencies where he can beat you with his arm--is legs or both. The Panther problem is the organization to start with...where are the rest of the game changers, and play makers? Their play book has evolved how? With the Panthers its defense, again in a NFL with rules favoring the passing game, and then its ball control and there you have the Panthers in a nutshell. What they need is a "Gronk" or a pair of them--Cam hasn't demonstrated a consistent deep ball passer but he is accurate short--what better position for a short pass then a TE... a better ball snagging RB would help. Almost every game one watches of theirs, defenses play it tight because Cam can run and the game plan requires Cam to run.

    I don't think Cam is in the right system--and yes there is something about the owner and the front office that keeps going back to a dry well year in and year out. Honestly, the Panthers would be better off with super fast little WR and spread defenses out running all over the place where a quick dart is damaging, and the occational deep ball but spread the defense out so much that Cam or the RB can actually run the ball

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  • cowboyhater
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    The Panthers collapsed and missed the playoffs, but overall I wouldn't consider Cam Newton a "bust". And going back a few years, Hall of Famer Bob Waterfield was a running QB. Of course he was spelled by pocket passer Norm Van Brocklin in the championship win over Cleveland.

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