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  • I Hate Dead Cap Money

    General view on looking at our roster. The thing i hate the most is dead cap money. In evaluating whether to keep a particular player, or whether to sign a free agent for a certain amount of money, i always look first at both the initial cap hit and the liklihood of dead cap money down the road.

    Its one thing to say we need a better tight end than manu or a better linebacker than claiborne. Its another thing to say i want to pay money (ie take a cap hit) to get rid of them.

    Sometimes you need to cut your losses and take the cap hit. sometimes you dont have a choice (ie turley with the injury). But within a broad range and at the margain, you have to look at the dead money a particular roster move will create since it impacts your ability to upgrade your team.

    Think about it this way. if you play marbles, and everyone starts with 100 marbles, everyone has the same chance to win. If one player starts with 80 marbles, one with 90 marbles and one with 100 marbles, who has the best chance to win? The more dead money you have, the less marbles you are going to start the game with cap wise.

    I bet if you find a stat on teams with the lowest cap dead money, you will find a correlation with success. Teams that refuse to be extorted and are most careful about not overpaying non core players are more likely to win.

    Take wistrom. Excellent ram, did great things for the team. But if you paid him based on what he did in the past, you would have been very sorry cap wise. In wistroms case, the money isnt dead in the sense he is still on the seahawks roster, but he has hardly justified what they paid for him.

    Also a point on faulk. If he retires, we take a cap hit. All the more reason to want him back. Can you imagine having less money to pay guys on defense just so faulk can NOT be on the team?

    Food for thought.

    ramming speed to all

    general counsel

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    Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

    GC nice post, what are your thoughts on rebuilding the defense. Should we do it primarily through draft or FA?

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    • #3
      Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

      Its a combination of draft, a key free agent or two and one of the most undermentioned elements, which is developing the talent we already have. I believe the immediate key to the defense is resigning pickett, getting kennedy, bartell and hargrove to the next level, and getting back a healthy travis fischer, butler and claiborne. Without even changing the personnel, think about how much we can improve just with what is on the roster. The other point is that the strength of our team is offense. If we score more tds in the red zone and more points overall, it will take a LOT of heat off the defense.

      ramming speed to all

      general counsel
      Last edited by general counsel; -01-28-2006, 10:31 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

        I guess thats is why I would not mind adding Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland. He would help in the red zone. He is going to be a playmaker from day one.

        We can add a LB or DB in the second and third round or address it through FA

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        • #5
          Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

          Originally posted by general counsel
          If we score more tds in the red zone and more points overall, it will take a LOT of heat off the defense.
          Hey I know someone who said that here. LOL ;)

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          • #6
            Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

            I generally agree, but anyone here think the Seahawks are griping about signing our DEs?

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            • #7
              Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

              Bryce fisher was a steal money wise. i have no idea why other teams didnt pursue him more aggressively. they badly overpaid for wistrom

              ramming speed to all

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              • #8
                Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                Wistrom has been more productive in his career than Pickett. ;)

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                • #9
                  Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                  But the issue when you pay someone with a new contract is what are they going to do in the FUTURE, rather than the past. wistrom certainly hasnt been more productive than pickett over the last two years. Not sure if that was your point. Wistrom had a very productive career, but i dont think you can say that he has been a dominant player for the seahawks at all. He missed a full season and while still productive, certainly didnt produce at an elite level this year. Pickett is 26 and his position is a lot less dependent on speed than the defensive end spot.

                  ramming speed to all

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                  • #10
                    Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                    Way to go "GC" on the post , I agree with your last post the issue that you mentioned is on the money ... We would be hard set to find a Defensive linemen like pickett
                    ... And I honestly feel with the new changes in RAMS park , We have a great opportunity to step up and become a much better D next year (It will depend on the new leadership and the ability to motivate an keep them motivated
                    Last edited by OldRamsfan; -01-29-2006, 12:47 PM.
                    :helmet::ram::helmet: :ram::helmet::ram:

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                    • #11
                      Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                      Of course you're paying for the future. Tell me, what's the single best predictor of future performance?

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                      • #12
                        Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                        The best predictor of future performance is most recent past performance of course and i understand your point. However, the future performance i am referring to is over the length of a contract and how that affects the cap. The best predictor of how someone will do next year is how he did this year, IF and its a big IF, his health is comporable and the other circumstances around him are comparable. Age is another factor since with experience and maturity, players often improve.

                        I appreciate in this situation a negative is that pickett wont be in a contract year. If they players around him get better, that should be a positive. In wistroms case, paying him for one year would have been one thing (even though his performance had dropped off), but paying over a multiyear period and taking the risk of the cap acceleration didnt make sense for the kind of money the hawks paid him.

                        One other point. Performance three years ago is not a good predictor of future performance and that is one thing that in my opinion often trips people up. Injury aside, even two years ago is tricky in the nfl given the rate of physical deterioration in a lot of these guys. The trick is how you evaluate performance, it cant be a matter of pure statistics.

                        In general, i agree 100% with you on past performance predicting the future. Our disagreement pertains a lot more to the quality of picketts past performance.

                        ramming speed to all

                        general counsel

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                        • #13
                          Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                          Originally posted by general counsel
                          Our disagreement pertains a lot more to the quality of picketts past performance.
                          I was just ribbing you. Plus, I think our disagreement is more fine than that -- I don't weigh this past year as heavily as you do. Its my training in statistics and my skepticism about contract year players.

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                          • #14
                            Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                            Dead Money is what really Grindes my Gears with the cap era.If they would end it? I could live with this cap crap a little better.

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                              Re: I Hate Dead Cap Money

                              Originally posted by psycho9985
                              Dead Money is what really Grindes my Gears with the cap era.If they would end it? I could live with this cap crap a little better.
                              I agree with you psycho. Unfortunately 'Dead money' is what provides the incentive to get it right in the first place and not overpay in the way we did for Manu.

                              He hadn't done anything and still hasn't to justify that price tag. He may well come good however and provide that kind of value.

                              Just as an aside, 'past performance is no indicator of future performance' is the cardinal rule in financial markets and it applies especially well here too.

                              I know it's (the cap) a pain, but I can think of a couple of leagues in the UK who are desperately in need of a cap. Everytime the debate crops up in the UK, some GM from an NFL team goes on the media in the UK to explain it's nuances and benefits. It's become more pertinent since that leprechaun from Tampa bought Man Utd.

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                              • general counsel
                                manu and the cap part 2
                                by general counsel
                                According to barry waller, manus 2006 salary is 1.325 million (he didnt answer as to what the total cap number is if you include the prorated signing bonus)

                                barry says that if manu is cut pre june 1 (which obviously would give you the most use of the savings since presumably that is when there are better guys available to sign), we would save only 125k this year. That is a big big cap hit, over a million dollars. It wont happen guys.

                                if he is cut after june 1, we would take a cap hit of a bit over 400k this year and about 600k next year.

                                These numbers may not be exact, but i think it makes the point (as barry does) that it is unlikely that manu is going anywhere for this season.

                                In 2006, lets throw him the ball and see if he can actually catch and get someone else on the relative cheap who can block. I have no objection to a middle round developmental tight end, but this cap view seems to rule out a high dollar free agent.

                                ramming speed to all

                                general counsel
                                -01-30-2006, 12:20 PM
                              • general counsel
                                the defense and the salary cap
                                by general counsel
                                I have heard the view expressed on this board by people i really respect that one of the reasons we are having problems on defense is that we are spending a disporpotionate amount of our cap money on offense.

                                Could someone please post the data for me. What percentage and what dollars are offense vs. defense and if possible, how does that compare to the league average.

                                In that context, i have a series of posts in mind that i think will provoke good debate on what we might be able to do as we look forward cap wise. HINT: given the development of kevin curtis, and given that isaac bruce is due almost 11 million next year, how much can we afford to pay rev ike. Clearly, he will need to renegotiate and i am sure that he will, but can we afford to pay $6 million for example? I dont know the answer, i love isaac bruce like one of my kids, but its a great topic for debate given that balance is critical in the cap era.

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                              • ManofGod
                                Updated: Rams not over the cap!!!
                                by ManofGod
                                Many of the Rams faithful have been excited over the recent free agent moves made by the front office, but there is one problem....we are now over the mandatory salary cap. Now compared to other teams in the league who are several million dollars over the cap, the Rams 100K is laughable but this still means that unless the Rams make a few cuts and/or restructure a few contracts, several of the free agent moves made by the team will not be allowed to take effect. We have until 4pm to "make a deal", do any of you guys have an idea of possible moves the front office will make?
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                              • THOLTFAN81
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                                Many possibilities, but the fact DFarr hears our cap space will be around the 30 mil range by the time free agency rolls round is very interesting.

                                Whether it proves to be true or false, we will soon find out. Just thought I'd pass along what I heard, but 30 mil could buy a pretty penny with this deep FA class....
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                              • Nick
                                Projected 2005 Salary Cap Figures
                                by Nick
                                http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp



                                One should also consider that if Pace is franchised again, that'll count for over $8 million against the cap....
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