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    Now I have took a beating on my remarks about Jackson. I have said I'm not sold on him and of course, the Line thing is the sticking point, But if the Rams are gonna get back to the High flying offense, Where does Jackson fit in? Isn't he a 30-40 carry a game guy? And if so, where does that fit a high flying offense? I think Faulk would be the better choice even at his present age! Jackson to me doesn't fit this offense. Which actually wouldn't surprise me if the Rams don't go after a R-back in the draft early. Jackson could be some good trade bait also. That's my thought so let yours fly!

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    Re: Jackson or Faulk

    Jackson has the speed and moves to be effective in a high flying offense. His abilty to break tackles is also very good.


    Say the Rams come out in 3 or 4 WR sets. The way the Rams offense is, the defense will have to switch to a nickel formation at least, as the Rams can easily torch teams when they line safties up against WRs.

    If the defense does this, then the Rams can simply run it with Jackson. Jackson has the speed for it to work, and has the power to run over DBs easily.
    @EssexRam_

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    • #3
      Re: Jackson or Faulk

      All right I'll give him another year, but if he stinks the place up I'm taking a long plane ride to find you!LOL

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      • #4
        Re: Jackson or Faulk

        Originally posted by theodus69
        All right I'll give him another year, but if he stinks the place up I'm taking a long plane ride to find you!LOL
        Well the thing is, i know Faulk was awesome, but he hasn't shown me anything to make me take him over Jackson recently. I know he hasn't had much playing time, but still, Jackson is the guy now.

        And you can come find me if you want, you can come watch one of my games! I just started playing football this year. I need to bulk up though before i get substantial playing time. Put ive got really good coverage skills.

        Although i would say that, not exactly going to say i'm crap now am i!
        @EssexRam_

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        • #5
          Re: Jackson or Faulk

          Jackson is the future but he has to make better decisions on hiting the holes, he seems to heistate sometimes.....with some new talent coming onto the O line this off season he will have no excuses next season

          Faulk was the Best at his position but time has caught up but he can still be very dangerous if used right..

          I would love Faulk to line up in the Slot as a WR more, he is still an exceptional reciever, he will be back for one more year and I'm looking forward to Linehan using him...

          steve:clanram:
          "The breakfast Club":helmet:

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          • #6
            Re: Jackson or Faulk

            Jackson is the future, Faulk is the past, albeit a past worth re-visiting for a season or two in certain situations. It's only been two seasons, we should give Jackson a little more time before he's written off as a nearly man.

            Has anyone carried the ball 40 times for us since Greg Bell?

            I'd like to see us give someone 25 carries.....................

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            • #7
              Re: Jackson or Faulk

              Jackson has been playing how long again? And oooh yeah, Faulk is going to the hall of fame! Give Stevie another chance!
              Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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              • #8
                Re: Jackson or Faulk

                Originally posted by theodus69
                All right I'll give him another year, but if he stinks the place up I'm taking a long plane ride to find you!LOL
                How the heck do you think he stunk last year? Crappy line and he still had 1100yds and 8TDs rushing. And 2TDs recieving. Come on man lighten up on him.

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                • #9
                  Re: Jackson or Faulk

                  Mellow out 16, it's hard sometimes to judge what's said without a facial expression and a follow up on the conversation. I know the guy is good, he made the pro's in the first round! The line was patchwork I know , but all great running backs make things happen and I feel he missed alot of opportunities on some big holes. I also said I only saw 2 games last year so I don't have a lot to stand on here! But Faulk has got some rest and looked pretty good . Oh and TH, Run some hills in your conditioning . It will strengthen your legs and improve your speed quite a bit!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Jackson or Faulk

                    Yea the times he didn't hit the hole is because he was getting wrapped up in the backfield and even so I would be hesitant to hit a hole with that very inconsistent line. I mean look what he did against Jacksonville with the best DLine in the game. And a monster MLB in Mike Peterson.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Jackson or Faulk

                      Good point kid. A game I didn't see. I do go alot by my buddy of 35 years who has been a ram fan with me that long! And we do agree 98% of the time.:clanram:

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                      • #12
                        Re: Jackson or Faulk

                        Haha yea that game he had 179yds rushing. I was at that game

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                        • #13
                          Re: Jackson or Faulk

                          Originally posted by theodus69
                          Mellow out 16, it's hard sometimes to judge what's said without a facial expression and a follow up on the conversation. I know the guy is good, he made the pro's in the first round! The line was patchwork I know , but all great running backs make things happen and I feel he missed alot of opportunities on some big holes. I also said I only saw 2 games last year so I don't have a lot to stand on here! But Faulk has got some rest and looked pretty good . Oh and TH, Run some hills in your conditioning . It will strengthen your legs and improve your speed quite a bit!

                          In the Jaguars Game, look at about the third last play of the game.

                          I'll dig up the game if I can and cut the play out and upload it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Jackson or Faulk

                            Originally posted by RamsFan16
                            Haha yea that game he had 179yds rushing. I was at that game
                            You can't deny he has been very inconsistent and he has had problems with his reads even Martz sounded more enthused with his new RB in Detroit over Jackson. The jury is still out on Jackson. This year we should have a much-improved OL with Barron starting from day 1 and Terrell and Incognito in the mix. Timmerman will be healthy and we may even pick up another guard. Hedgecock is young and will continue to improve as a lead blocker. With all that said Jackson better shine this year and not lead the league in stuffed runs. He is a power back not a scat back he better not be near the top in stuffed runs he should be able to get a 1/2 yard damn near every carry.

                            Good news he is young and still has room to develop. Now its a matter if he can do it or not.
                            Last edited by ; -03-04-2006, 03:41 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Jackson or Faulk

                              I have to agree.. Jackson had some opportunities, but he hesitates too much. He runs left and right too much. He needs better instincts. I hope that he can develop these things.

                              He should be running over people, not tiptoeing around the backfield.
                              The Rams... Where dreams go to die.

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                                -08-30-2004, 01:20 PM
                              • Curly Horns
                                Faulk was spot on about Jackson
                                by Curly Horns
                                He was right about the Rams signing Jackson to a big contract.

                                The Rams have not been able to use Jackson in the manner in which he should be used.

                                The Rams don't even have a power running team identity in what is predominately a passing league. Offensive teams do need to be able to run the ball but I'm not sure Jackson is that type of change-up back. Even if he is or could be, teams should not be paying that kind of money for a situational RB.

                                I think the NFL is long past the feature RB style of offense. I've seen it in the Rams past and for the most part it does not take a team all the way in the playoffs.

                                If you don't have a Faulk type of RB then you should not be paying huge dollars to a Jackson type. Jackson is a power runner that needs 30 or more touches a game. However, at this point in time, Jackson is not even a typical power back. Generally power backs are tough and very durable. Jackson is fast developing a pattern of being injury prone for whatever reason.

                                Before the season started I voiced my opinion against giving Jackson big money for many of the reasons mentioned above. I think it was a mistake for the Rams to go ahead and do so. Hindsight is always 20/20, but as of today, signing Jackson to a big money contract was a huge mistake.
                                -11-23-2008, 12:36 PM
                              • general counsel
                                Dissapointment with steven jackson
                                by general counsel
                                I am disappointed with steven jackson, especially the mental errors. I recognize that he is very young and that the blocking has been spotty. I am not suggesting he has been lousy, only that he has not lived up to my hopes and expectations for this year.

                                I dont see him breaking tackles at the line of scrimmage. I dont see him cutting back effectively in the hole. I see a guy who when he gets the first block and can get past the line with some space does some major damage in the secondary and who certainly runs hard, but i dont see a guy that looks like he can carry a team on his back or even close to it.

                                I see passes hit him in the hands in the flat that he drops. I see fumbles. I see a horrible flip to mcdonald on the play at the goal line.

                                I see faulk cutting back through the holes MUCH faster than jackson and running almost as hard. I am not saying that faulk should be the starter, but am suggesting that jackson has a LONG LONG way to go before someone compares him to marshall faulk.

                                I realize jackson and faulk are different kinds of backs, but i just dont see jacksons speed until he gets into space. I see a LOT of running sideways and not cutting up the field quickly enough. Watch faulk dart in and out of space, and that is at age 32!

                                any thoughts from the group?

                                Ramming speed to all

                                general counsel
                                -10-07-2005, 12:53 PM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                Temporary Role Reversal?
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                I'm not sure if Jackson will play on Sunday, but this may be a good time to let Faulk start, and have Jackson in the supporting role. Faulk has had some pop lately and may be able to jump start the running game and get the almost non-existent short passing game going. Jackson seemed to struggle at times with the chest injury, and the lighter duty may be beneficial to his recovery.
                                -10-05-2005, 11:20 PM
                              • sbramfan
                                Jackson should not have replaced Faulk this year
                                by sbramfan
                                This guy is a rebel. He thinks he can do everything on his own. Marshall is smarter and better than Steven Jackson.

                                On the 4th and 2 play, all the blockers went to the left. The play was designed to go to the left. FOR SOME REASON, Jackson decides to give up on that, and "stop", and cut back to the middle. If he just keeps going behind the blockers, he get's the first down.

                                Give him the ball? Why?

                                He needs to shut his big mouth and learn how to be a running back in this league. There have been numerous mistakes this guy has made at critical times.

                                HE SHOULD NOT HAVE REPLACED MARSHALL FAULK. He should have been the situtational guy to come in and get more experience. I hope he learns, but I'm starting to think he will just be a frustrating dissapointment.

                                We can't even trust him to follow the play call. We can't trust him to get 1 freeking yard because he will abort the play, and try to "cut back". Sure if there's a wide open hole, he looks like he could be great, but who doesn't when there's a hole?

                                @#%[email protected]%J%$#%)"(#$U%
                                -12-11-2005, 11:58 AM
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