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    Rams | Warner Cut - from www.KFFL.com
    Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:38:28 -0700

    ESPNews reports the St. Louis Rams have released QB Kurt Warner.

  • #2
    Re: Warner cut

    Rams release two-time NFL MVP

    By R.B. FALLSTROM, AP Sports Writer
    June 1, 2004

    AP - Jun 1, 3:48 pm EDT
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    ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Kurt Warner's storybook stay with the St. Louis Rams ended Tuesday, but he's unlikely to be out of work for long.

    The release of the two-time NFL MVP, who led the Rams to two Super Bowls, leaves Marc Bulger as the team's No. 1 quarterback. Bulger took over as the starter for good after Warner fumbled six times in last year's season opener.

    Coincidentally, that game was against the New York Giants, the team likely to sign Warner to ease Eli Manning's transition to the NFL. Warner has not started and won a regular-season game since 2001, going 0-6 in 2002 and losing that one game last season.

    Bulger, who is 18-4 as the Rams regular-season starter, signed a four-year, $19.1 million contract in April as the first major sign that Warner would not be back. The team also signed backup Chris Chandler to a free-agent deal, and excused Warner from a three-day minicamp last month, all of which made Tuesday's news less than a blockbuster event.

    Mark Bartelstein, Warner's agent, said that Jay Zygmunt, the Rams' president of football operations, told him that the team had filed the necessary papers with the NFL office.

    ``I think there's a lot of mixed emotions,'' Bartelstein said. ``He's had so much success and such a great relationship with everyone in St. Louis.

    ``It's an unbelievable chapter in his life and an unbelievable chapter in the NFL. To leave that, I think, is hard, but he's in the prime of his career.''

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    Bartelstein said four or five teams remained in the running for Warner's services, although most signs point to him signing with New York. He expected Warner, likely the biggest name to enter the second phase of free agency, would sign by the end of the week.

    ``Teams are calling all the time,'' Bartelstein said. ``Kurt and I kind of have a preference, where we think is the best fit, and we're going to see if we can get that worked out.

    ``If we can, great, and if not, there's other choices.''

    By signing less than two months from the start of training camp, Warner is unlikely to get any guarantees of playing time. From that standpoint, the Giants might be the best fit right now.

    ``In June you're never going to find a place where someone says 'Our quarterback situation is wide open,''' Bartelstein said. ``I also know if Kurt goes and plays the way he's capable of playing, and he helps the team win and win big it doesn't really matter who's waiting in the wings.

    ``Kurt is going to be the guy.''

    Warner, who turns 33 on June 22, led the Rams to Super Bowls in 1999 and 2001, but has been plagued by injuries since.

    By waiting until now to cut Warner, the Rams will spread their salary cap hit over two years instead of one. He'll cost them $4.6 million this year and $6.7 million in 2005. His contract called for a $9.5 million salary this year.

    Warner, undrafted out of Northern Iowa but an Arena League star, got the Rams' starting quarterback job in 1999 after Trent Green had a season-ending knee injury in the preseason. The Rams had endured a decade of losing seasons before Warner led the NFL with 41 touchdown passes, helping the team finish 13-3.

    Warner also was the Super Bowl MVP after a 23-16 victory over the Tennessee Titans.

    In 2001, Warner led the Rams to a 14-2 record, although St. Louis lost to the underdog New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.

    Nothing much has gone right for Warner since then. He missed half of the 2002 season with hand injuries, throwing only three touchdown passes with 11 interceptions. That gave Bulger his first chance to shine with victories in his first six career starts.

    Warner appeared to have regained his form last year with a strong preseason before his stumbling start in New York. Bulger never gave the Rams a reason to reconsider Warner the rest of the year

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    • #3
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      Alright, it's done. I think we screwed up, but that's not the point. KW is gone. Bulger is our starting QB. Now even a die-hard 13 fan like myself has to say let's move on. Go 10 & go Rams!
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      • #4
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        That's it let's move on good bye Kurt and good luck but
        let's go Bulger and Rams it's time to prove on
        vicdan

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        • #5
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          Were screwed.

          Trout

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          • #6
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            Very sad day. Good luck Kurt, prove the doubters wrong!

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            • #7
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              Ok I'm moving on BUT with a heavy heart .... Good luck Kurt thanks for the memeries!!!!


              steve :ramlogo:
              "The breakfast Club":helmet:

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              • #8
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                We were sitting here playing Tennessee Hold-em (don't ask right now), when someone said "time to move on." I could not bluff any longer.

                I want to move on, but sMartz is still here while Warner isn't. When history is recorded, they will tell of the day that sMartz showed his naked stupidity for all to see, and none of sMartz' men will be able to tell fans any longer that he is TOO wearing clothes.

                Because releasing Warner under the circumstances sMartz created, sMartz' bare-ass naked stupidity is there for all except the blind to see. June 1st - truly a day of infamy.

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                • #9
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                  Wow everyone, when I woke up this morning guess what? The sun rose.

                  We survived without Warner last year, and we won the division. You don't have to like Martz, but some of you are right. He's a very smart man. Just look at his record.

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                  • #10
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                    Glad there is sun where you are TX ... the sun didn't rise here, black clouds, pouring down rain, and I lost another po, but alas one of the king's men has cried out again ... ' but the emporeror IS wearing clothes' ...

                    Good for you TX ... a man of convictions ... but, as will be my conviction, the Rams won NOT because of sMartz, but INSPITE of him ... I know ... we disagree ... what's new with you ... can you get the sun to rise over here too?

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by txramsfan
                      Wow everyone, when I woke up this morning guess what? The sun rose.

                      We survived without Warner last year, and we won the division. You don't have to like Martz, but some of you are right. He's a very smart man. Just look at his record.
                      Heh, good point. I'm not happy to see Warner go at all, but this definitely isn't the end of the world. Still, always sad to see a player like Kurt have to leave.

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                      • #12
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                        This team has seen it's share of star players & coaches come and go. What remains constant is the following of true Blue & Gold fans. This does not mean you have to like the coach or the QB but you do not wish ill will to them either. True Blue & Gold fans will support the team through the good and the bad times.

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                        • #13
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                          I think I saw some lightning when this became official!

                          hmmm...

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by vicdan
                            That's it let's move on good bye Kurt and good luck but
                            let's go Bulger and Rams it's time to prove on

                            I agree. Warner was a BIG part of the Rams, but now he is gone. Good Luck but I won't lose any sleep over him leaving. Go Bulger Go Rams

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                              Originally posted by 1st & Goal
                              True Blue & Gold fans will support the team through the good and the bad times.
                              well said. time to support the BAD days again.

                              by the way, I like your user ID. it's a microcosm of last years season.

                              1st & goal and unable to put it in.

                              by the way TX, the record does not always mean the HC is a great coach. everyone is always saying that it's not the HC's fault if the players don't execute. well, they same thing goes the other way as well. sometimes the players execute something despite the HC's play calling. and sometimes the opponent chokes away the game. there were plenty of games the Rams could've ( and probably should've ) lost last year ( i.e. Baltimore ) that they actually won. the record could've easily been 8-8 and you wouldn't be repeating the same thing over and over again like a broken record player ( look at his record, look at his record, look at his record ).

                              I'm so glad that a 12-4 record and a playoff loss ( that should've been a win ) is more than adequate for you, but for most of us, it's not. we all know they are capable of much more and that's why we are not content with a 12-4 record when they should've been SB bound.

                              it's the same reason why we are upset the Rams don't have 2 championships ( and that puke Brady does ). and that one was the HC's fault. if he would've called the game everyone was saying he should call ( i.e. Faulk running the ball 30+ times ), the Rams would've won the game. everyone knew going into the game that the Patriots weakness was stopping the run and that their strength was in the passing game. but, just as we've all seen before, Martz ego got in the way. he wanted to prove to all the reporters and media that his passing scheme was greater than Belicheck's defense. well, he was wrong ( just like the reports said ). huh, maybe they do know what they are talking about.

                              so, the record doesn't mean jack sh-- if you don't do something with it.

                              if I was a Lions fan last year, and they went 12-4 and lost in the 1st round, I would agree with your point ( because they would've over-achieved ). but not with what the Rams have. we expect more because we know they are better than anyone in the NFC.

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                              • RamDez
                                Agent: Warner's release will happen today
                                by RamDez
                                By R.B. Fallstrom
                                Associated Press
                                06/01/2004

                                Kurt Warner's storybook stay with the Rams is expected to end today.

                                The anticipated release of the two-time NFL MVP, who led the Rams to two Super Bowls but has struggled the last two seasons, would signal the final endorsement of Marc Bulger as the team's No. 1 quarterback. Bulger took over as the starter for good after Warner fumbled six times, perhaps while playing under the effects of a mild concussion, in last year's season opener.

                                Bulger, who is 18-4 as the regular-season starter, signed a four-year, $19.1 million contract in April as the first major sign that Warner would not be back. The team also signed backup Chris Chandler to a free-agent deal, and excused Warner from a three-day minicamp last month.

                                Team spokesman Duane Lewis said the Rams had no news conference scheduled. The team could make the move as early as 3 p.m. St. Louis time.

                                "It's going to happen today," said Mark Bartelstein, Warner's agent. "It's been an unbelievable chapter in his life. He had tremendous success and it's been a wonderful time."

                                Warner has been given permission to talk with several teams, most prominently the New York Giants, who need a mentor for Eli Manning. Warner could not sign with another team until 5 p.m. Wednesday.

                                Bartelstein said four or five teams remained in the running for Warner's services. He expected Warner would sign by the end of the week.

                                "Kurt wants to get something done quickly and start getting acclimated with his new team," Bartelstein said. "Everyone has different things to offer."

                                Warner, who turns 33 on June 22, led the Rams to Super Bowls in 1999 and 2001, but has been plagued by injuries since.

                                By waiting until now to cut Warner, the Rams will spread their salary cap hit over two years instead of one. He'll cost them $4.6 million this year and $6.7 million in 2005. His contract called for a $9.5 million salary this year.

                                Warner, undrafted out of Northern Iowa but an Arena League star, got the Rams' starting quarterback job in 1999 after Trent Green had a season-ending knee injury in the preseason. The Rams had endured a decade of losing seasons before Warner led the NFL with 41 touchdown passes, helping the team finish 13-3.

                                Warner also was the Super Bowl MVP after a 23-16 victory over the Tennessee Titans.

                                In 2001, Warner led the Rams to a 14-2 record, although St. Louis lost to the underdog New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.

                                Nothing much has gone right for Warner since then. He missed half of the 2002 season with hand injuries, throwing only three touchdown passes with 11 interceptions. That gave Bulger his first chance to shine with victories in his first six career starts.

                                Warner appeared to have regained...
                                -06-01-2004, 11:27 AM
                              • RamDez
                                Sacking The Quarterback: Warner is gone from the Rams as of today
                                by RamDez
                                By Bill Coats
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                06/01/2004


                                Officially, quarterback Kurt Warner's record-setting days with the Rams will end today. Unofficially, the tie was cut Tuesday.

                                According to agent Mark Bartelstein, the Rams informed the league Tuesday afternoon of Warner's release. Bartelstein said Rams executive Jay Zygmunt told him that the team had completed "the process of releasing Kurt."

                                Zygmunt, president of football operations, declined to confirm whether the paperwork had been filed with the NFL. But Zygmunt acknowledged that as of today, Warner no longer will be a member of the Rams.

                                Today marks the first day that teams can release players with multiyear contracts and have the salary-cap hit spread over two years instead of one. Warner's release will cost the Rams $4.6 million this year and $6.7 million in 2005.

                                Under league guidelines, the close of business Tuesday in New York, home of the NFL offices, was at 3 p.m. (St. Louis time). So the Rams could have notified the league of Warner's release after that time, as Bartelstein indicated, and the transaction technically would be dated today.

                                Whatever the timing of the move, Warner is heading elsewhere after six seasons in St. Louis. Bartelstein said Warner, who was unavailable for comment, greeted the move with "a lot of mixed emotions. He's had so much success and such a great relationship with everyone in St. Louis, that's just an unbelievable chapter in his life and an unbelievable chapter in the history of the NFL. So, to leave that I think is hard.

                                "But he's in the prime of his career . . . so he's eager to go play football."

                                Warner can sign with another team as early as this afternoon.

                                "Kurt wants to get something done quickly," Bartelstein said.

                                Although Bartelstein said several teams are interested in Warner, the New York Giants are expected to get his name on a contract - probably for one year, at about $3 million - before the end of the week.

                                "Kurt and I kind of have a preference of what we think is the best fit, and we're going to see if we can get that worked out," Bartelstein said. "If we can, great. If not, there are other choices."

                                Warner, who will turn 33 on June 22, could emerge as the starter for the Giants, who released incumbent Kerry Collins after trading for Eli Manning, the No. 1 overall selection in the April draft. Warner's broader role would be as a mentor for Manning.

                                "He's not going somewhere just to be a mentor; he's going to go somewhere to play and to try to win," Bartelstein said. "If Kurt Warner plays next year the way he's capable of playing and he helps the team win, and win big, it doesn't really matter who's waiting in the wings. Kurt's going to be the guy."...
                                -06-02-2004, 12:38 AM
                              • Nick
                                Warner's the man, at least to Warner
                                by Nick
                                Warner's the man, at least to Warner

                                First published: Thursday, August 19, 2004

                                ALBANY -- He's still the quarterback who takes teams to Olympus. Still the quarterback whose passing statistics are a fantasy of flight. Still the quarterback whose grocery-bags-to-NFL-MVP story felt as good as a kiss.
                                Kurt Warner is convinced of this.

                                He's gone from superstar to waiver wire. Untouchable to unwanted. At the end in St. Louis, the Rams were as eager to show Warner the door as he was to pass through it. He was signed by the Giants to be a mentor and stopgap, until Eli Manning is ready. Everything in Warner's career has changed -- but him, he insists.

                                In nearly every player's career there comes a time when his skills, as Bill Belichick once said of Bernie Kosar's, diminish. Age and injuries make mortals of all. The player knows when he enters the winter of his career, but he won't publicly admit it.

                                Warner, now 33, says he's the same quarterback, and because he's friendly, and gracious with his time, you want to believe him.

                                But you don't.

                                Once, Warner led the Greatest Show on Turf. Now, he's trying to hold Manning at bay long enough to audition for a starting job with another team next season. That's not the same at all.

                                There has never been an NFL player like Kurt Warner. From stock boy to wonder boy to oh boy, what happened. It would be as if Greg Maddux had gone from video store clerk to Cy Young control artist to a pitcher who stopped throwing strikes, though Warner doesn't see it that way. The Rams' 0-8 record in his last eight games as a starter didn't change Warner's opinion of himself.

                                "You have to say, 'Did Kurt Warner lose those eight games because Kurt Warner didn't play well, or did the Rams lose those last eight games because the team didn't play well?' " Warner said. "I think that's where people sometimes get skewed in their opinion."

                                Warner doesn't mention that the Rams were 18-4 the past two seasons when Marc Bulger started at quarterback. Granted, win-loss percentage isn't everything. But it's something. And playing on the same team, with the same players, Bulger enjoyed success while Warner flopped. But if Warner's fumbling 14 times and throwing 11 interceptions with only four touchdowns in those eight games have cracked his confidence, he conceals it behind his disarming smile.

                                "I feel like I can play as well as anybody in this league," Warner said. "I can still play this game. I don't plan on being average."

                                Thing is, average would be an improvement.

                                One trait players like in their quarterback: accountability. They respect a guy who accepts criticism when warranted and shares praise when deserved. But in a recent conversation, this is as close as Warner came to acknowledging he performed...
                                -08-22-2004, 12:40 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Warner article--sure to drum up a debate. Interesting read
                                by RamWraith
                                Just like with Rams and Giants, Warner out to prove critics wrong
                                By Darren Urban, Tribune


                                The resumé is too long for the story to begin where it once did. Kurt Warner knows that.
                                His past is decorated with two MVP awards, three Pro Bowls, two Super Bowl appearances and a St. Louis fan base that still follows him two stops later.

                                Warner is no longer the nobody who took over at quarterback for the Rams in 1999, but in some ways, he is starting over.

                                He has more doubters than believers, which is where he stood that day St. Louis coach Dick Vermeil made him the starter after Trent Green's season-ending knee injury almost six years ago.

                                And like his Rams back then, his new team in Arizona carries few expectations.

                                "There are a lot of people out there that don't think I can still play, and there's a lot of people out there that don't think this team has a chance to do anything," Warner said. The statistics haven't been gaudy for three years, and for Warner, his history has become his burden. But it is also his proof.

                                "There has never been a story like Kurt Warner's," Cardinals coach Dennis Green said. "It's a result of him believing in himself." Warner still believes. He believes that winning football, if not video game-like stats, remains in him.

                                He believes politics dragged him out of the lineup with both the Rams and the New York Giants. He believes he will be reborn as an NFL starter with the Cardinals this season. And he believes he has lived this scenario before. "It's kind of my story, the underdog story, no chance to have success," Warner said. "It's kind of like what I stepped into in St. Louis.

                                "I get a chance to rewrite my story, and I get a chance to hopefully rewrite the story of the Arizona Cardinals."

                                FROM HERO TO HUMBLED

                                The first version of Warner's story came straight from Hollywood.

                                He was nowhere, bagging groceries at one point after college, eventually thinking a successful arena football career in his native Iowa was as far as the dream might go. Then, in one stunning two-year period, he rose from Iowa Barnstormer to St. Louis Ram as ringleader of the "Greatest Show on Turf."

                                "St. Louis football was dog meat for so long," longtime St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist Bernie Miklasz said. "Then this mythical character out of a W.P. Kinsella novel walks out of the Iowa cornfields."

                                He won a Super Bowl that first season as a starter. He set team records. He was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. And he was a good person, friendly almost to a fault, a sports hero fans could feel good about embracing.

                                Warner was going to be a Ram forever.

                                That he isn't now, "flabbergasts me a little bit," Warner
                                ...
                                -05-14-2005, 07:25 AM
                              • HornIt
                                Balzer: Some Parts on Warner Story Not Generally Known
                                by HornIt
                                Some Parts on Warner Story Not Generally Known
                                By Howard Balzer Tuesday, January 27, 2009

                                The improbable tale of the guy who went from a bagger in a grocery store to Super Bowl MVP, disappeared from view and reemerged in the Super Bowl again, has its roots in the confidence of former Rams coach Dick Vermeil, who overruled his offensive coordinator to keep Warner on the roster in 1998.


                                It is one of the rarely told stories of how Warner even earned a job in Vermeil's second season as the Rams' coach.


                                Vermeil was hired by the Rams in 1997, and brought Jerry Rhome with him as offensive coordinator. As most coaches do, they have players they like to bring with them to new stops on the coaching trail. So it was that Rhome suggested the Rams sign lefthanded quarterback Will Furrer to compete for the No. 3 job on the roster.


                                Furrer played well in a pre-season game against Dallas, and beat out Jamie Martin for the job. It's interesting to note that Martin was still in the league in 2008, while Furrer has been long gone.


                                The following year is where this story grows intriguing. Rhome wasn't even present for a December tryout in 1997 for Warner, who had been excelling for the Arena Football League's Iowa Barnstormers.


                                Al Lugenbill, head coach of the Amsterdam Admirals in the NFL's Europe league, wanted Warner for his team. But he needed an NFL team to sign him and allocate him. Other teams had varying degrees of interest, but it was the Rams that signed him a few days after Christmas because personnel director Charley Armey liked what he had seen.


                                Warner went overseas and won the job in a close competition with Jake Delhomme, then with the New Orleans Saints. When he arrived for Rams training camp in July, he was competing with ... drum roll, please, ... Will Furrer. Warner showed some moxie and Vermeil recalled liking what he had seen. But there was the Rhome factor to overcome.


                                As camp ended, Rhome pushed for Furrer to get the job again. But Vermeil wasn't convinced this time. He had the backing of other assistants, including Mike White, and the choice was made to cut Furrer and keep Warner.


                                Where would Warner would be today had that decision not been made? No one can really say. But it seems obvious Warner wouldn't be where is today.


                                The Rams were a bad football team in 1998. They were 4-12, and there were those that believed the game had passed Vermeil by. Because of injuries to Tony Banks and Steve Bono, Warner played in the season finale against San Francisco and was a non-descript 4-for-11 for 39 yards.


                                Immediately after the season ended, Rhome was fired and Mike Martz was hired as offensive coordinator. So little did Martz know of Warner that when the quarterback went to Martz's office to introduce himself,...
                                -01-27-2009, 08:50 PM
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