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    BernieM wrote:
    In today's column I mentioned Warner's legacy -- that he made all of those gloomy football seasons in St. Louis disappear, and replaced them with precious moments and memories.

    In the short term, he has another legacy: the Rams' starting QB in the next few years will be held to a preposterous standard. No question, Bulger needs to play better. As I wrote in here from minicamp, his arm on the deep balls remains weak and I get ticked off just watching it.

    But overall, Bulger is at about where he should be (and he's pretty good) for a QB still finding his way in this league. But because Warner played at such unbelievable heights from 1999-2001, Bulger will be measured against that. Is that fair? Probably doesn't matter -- it's sports. It's just the way it is. Ironically, even Warner fell short -- way short -- of meeting those standards himself, once the injuries took their toll. Warner wasn't Warner, either....and yet some demand that Bulger be the Warner of 1999, 2000 and 2001. Kind of silly if you ask me. Ain't gonna happen. So Bulger should be judged on his own merits.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:

    You're right; Martz does "spin" on Warner.

    It's been a long time since Martz and Warner had a truly good relationship, so I always discount MM's warm and fuzzy comments about Kurt.

    Bottom line is, it all started to fall apart when Kurt's hand became something he couldn't overcome. It started the domino effect. If Warner could still throw it consistently like he once did, and if he could get settled in the pocket again without freaking, none of this would have happened. The Rams and Martz invested a ton of money in Kurt and had no reason to want him to fail. By going this way, they've got millions invested in two QBs, Warner and Bulger, and that hurts their cap.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    Bulger is capable of throwing the deep pass. We saw it in 2002. It frustrates me to see him sputter in this area. I think it's in his head. He's thinking too much about technique instead of letting it rip.

    In another follow up, as I've said many times, Bulger needs to play better. Cut down on mistakes, most of all.

    But only a fool would expect him to play as well as Warner did from 1999-2001.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    It isn't a matter of Kurt's hand being healed.
    It will never be healed, really. Not in the traditional sense.
    That's because the problem -- as I continually write -- is an arthritic-like condition in his right thumb. That never heals. It's just a question of when it flares up, and how it limits him when it does flare up. Some days, his grip is fine. Other days, it isn't.

    I dig the Martz bashing on this board. His game management skills are indeed shaky, but now we have people on here acting as if the man knows nothing about offense or quarterbacks. Please. Look up the PPG average since 1999, when Martz arrived to develop this offense. And tell me, please, where Green, Warner and Bulger were in their careers before they hooked up with Martz.

    Go ahead and rip the guy for not running a game better, or for his contradictory statements during news conferences, but it's rather silly to dump on him for things that are his strengths. My gosh, memories are so short. That offense 1997 and '98 was really swell.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:

    The hardcore Warnerites don't want to be freed.

    They'd rather wallow in sanctimony, hatred, misery, conspiracy theories, etc.

    I wish they could find peace -- that, or direct their passion into more worthwhile charitable endeavors.

    Kurt has more money and a better life than probably 99 percent of all Americans. And they act as if he's a political prisoner, or something.

    It's sad more than anything else.

    But most Warner fans are good and reasonable.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:

    Card23,

    You make such an excellent point about Martz's approach from 1999-2001. No one -- not one soul -- protested at the time that the wide open offense was an irresponsible gamble with Warner's long-term health and viability. It only became fashionable to declare this after the fact. That offense helped make Warner a legendary figure for three years; it also beat him down.

    Reminds me of one of my fave Springsteen songs: The Price You Pay.

    BTW....I think the wide open offense is coming back.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    Reg,

    I sincerely hope both QBs thrive.

    Warner can be Jim Plunkett.

    Bulger can be better than he's already shown. I think this clarity will help him.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    If Martz would have stayed with Warner after the NY Giants disaster -- which was a continuation of the 2002 performance -- he would have lost the team. It would have been insane for Martz to allow his team to get into an 1-5, or 0-5, or 1-4 hole (whatever) for the second year in a row.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    To me, it's one of the most bizarre aspects of this -- why no one will totally come clean on the thumb.

    Rams coaches and officials talk about it openly behind the scenes. Other NFL team execs have mentioned it to me, too. I've talked to former QBs who work for the TV networks who have studied Warner and point out how a lot of time he's fiddling with the ball, struggling to get a good grip.

    And how many times did we see Kurt yanking, pulling or massaging the thumb? Not just in games, but all of the time in practice.

    So I guess...

    Martz and the Rams don't want to go off on this in public and make themselves look petty by dismissing him as a has-been. (Which is what they've done with their actions). They'd just rather let Kurt's play serve as the answer. As for Kurt, he's too proud to admit to weakness. He'll always say he's great. He let down his guard last summer, though, acknowledging that the thumb/hand caused him more problems in 2002 then he let on.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    He's being very classy so far....looking forward to a new challenge, new opportunity...stresses the opportunity many times....wants to win...thinks the Giants are close...wants to show that he's still a good quarterback...still believes he's capable....has resisted a couple of chances (via questions) to take shots at the Rams and Martz....looks forward to helping Eli Manning but says he went there to play...won't have any problems co-existing with Eli....taking the high road...will look back fondly on STL experience, but wants to look ahead, to this new opportunity...called NY the best city in the world....wants to play 4-5 more years...doesn't want to keep moving his family around....still in pleasant denial about injuries. "Weren't that bad," he said..."unfortunately I've had three of them to my right hand, but that's it. Broken bones heal. Never really an issue," ...on faith: "I'll always defend my faith. I'll do what I've always done," ... praised Coughlin...says Giants have comparable weapons to the Rams...talking about Giants game last year....six fumbles, concussion, despite all that, completed 63 percent for 360 yards..."I think you could see there that I can still play the game at a high level. Right now my head's not fuzzy, and I'm not dropping the ball," .... "last preseason, I completed 22 of 27, and had an endorsement from my former organization that I never played better," ... then he had the mishap vs. the Giants "and never saw the field again," ... says what he says right now doesn't matter; he needs to do it on the field.

    ESPNews pulled away before Warner was finished, so I don't know what was said after that...but it was winding down.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    Bruiser, right you are, sir.

    And the more he bangs the thumb the more it hurts.

    That's what some people (including perhaps the Giants) don't seem to fully recognize. Doctors can look at the thing for 24 hours straight if they want during the offseason when everything is calm but it means nothing -- it's what happens to thumb through the wear and tear and the trauma of playing QB.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    JDub,

    I wouldn't have done it that soon because the Rams were doing well and Bulger was playing at a high level.

    Certainly Martz had a few clear opportunities to insert Warner later on and would have been justified.

    But -- and this is my opinion -- Kurt didn't look good in practice most of the year. He looked much better late in the year. And looked great before the Carolina playoff game.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    Warner looked great in camp.
    He threw the ball very well.
    I'll never deviate from that assessment.
    It was 100 percent correct.

    However ....

    The dude has a bad thumb that flares up on him? As I have said so many times....he looks great, and then he bangs the thumb, and he can't throw worth a damn. It can change day to day, week to week.

    As I have also said many times...it's one thing to look great in 7-7 drills on the practice field, wearing shorts. Or even in preseason games, when no one is blitzing and coverages are vanilla. It's another thing altogether to do it with people in your face trying to hurt you. Kurt freaked out in that Giants game, as he did in 2002.

    Teammates knew what was going on. Nobody wants to play with a gun-shy QB, and Kurt became that. (I hope he's over that now). I don't blame them at all for wanting to go with Bulger. It was the right call. Took some balls for Martz to do it considering the way he tried for months to pump Warner's confidence back up.

    The one thing I don't know, and I will continue to try and find it out...and probably can learn the truth, now that the dust will settle....when Kurt declined to go into the Chicago game....admirable as it was in what he said to Martz -- don't do this to Bulger -- I wonder if it hurt his credibility, for good, with teammates and even Martz. I wonder if the delayed reaction was, "does this guy want to play and compete or not?" Those who have been around pro locker rooms know that this is always a big issue with teammates....they need to know that a leader has the heart to get out there and compete. I am not saying I endorse that view; I just wonder if it was a factor.

    Cheers,
    Bernie

    BernieM wrote:
    Norml...

    I updated my post and added some info....sorry I misunderstood at first but I'm reading and typing as fast as I can.

    As for the "healed" thing....he is healed in terms of the broken bones. But an arthritic thumb doesn't ever heal. It comes and goes. Also, collectively, these hand injuries have weakened his strength in the hand.

    But what do the Giants have to lose? Kurt only needs to take a pounding until Eli is ready. They just don't want to get the kid killed before his career gets a chance to flourish. And if Warner is Jim Plunkett, they've hit the jackpot.

    I hope they do. It'll make for a great story. Plus, I want to see K do well. And Giants GM Ernie Accorsi is an old friend of mine so I like the Giants.

    Cheers,
    Bernie
    Last edited by RamWraith; -06-04-2004, 10:49 AM.

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    Bulger is capable of throwing the deep pass. We saw it in 2002. It frustrates me to see him sputter in this area. I think it's in his head. He's thinking too much about technique instead of letting it rip.
    Agreed. Throwing the long ball isn't as much about technique as it is instinct.

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      Re: A bunch of Bernie posts

      Originally posted by RamWraith
      But overall, Bulger is at about where he should be (and he's pretty good) for a QB still finding his way in this league. But because Warner played at such unbelievable heights from 1999-2001, Bulger will be measured against that. Is that fair? Probably doesn't matter -- it's sports. It's just the way it is. Ironically, even Warner fell short -- way short -- of meeting those standards himself, once the injuries took their toll. Warner wasn't Warner, either....and yet some demand that Bulger be the Warner of 1999, 2000 and 2001. Kind of silly if you ask me. Ain't gonna happen. So Bulger should be judged on his own merits.
      Great point. Bulger definitely has room to improve, but I think some times he's being judged unfairly because of who he's following.

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      • RamWraith
        The Bernie speaks
        by RamWraith
        BernieM wrote:
        i'm so bored with all of the warner worship and selective memories -- excuse me while I yawn again -- but to answer, yet again...and again...and again...

        I encouraged martz to start running the ball around 2000, when it was obvious that they couldn't stop anyone on defense that year and needed to eat some clock. It came up again in 2001 before the playoffs and of course my columns after the 2001 Super Bowl loss were about how Martz needed to run the ball more against the Patrtiots. I'm certain I broached the subject again before now, because Martz and me have gone round and round on it through the years. There's another point of view here; if a team is winning and scoring I don't care how he does it. When a team isn't winning and isn't scoring, then it's time to look at the approach. that's where we are now. and for the umpteenth time, I am not responsible for a reader's reading-comprehension level. I am not responsible for what a reader retains, or chooses to retain, from what I've written through the years.

        Thanks very much.

        Cheers,
        Bernie

        BernieM wrote:
        While I'm reluctant to continue feeding this bizarre Warner obsession, which has a never-ending cycle, I'll respond:

        Any student of NFL history knows that other so-called damaged goods QBs have revitalized their careers elsewhere.

        The classic example is Jim Plunkett.

        Though he didn't go elsewhere to do so, I saw John Unitas go through more than one cycle of rallying his career from abuse and injuries.

        Heck, I covered a guy who did it -- Neil Lomax. He was so gun shy and worn down physically after the 1985 season, that it took him until 1987 to fully recover, mentally and physically.

        If Kurt makes it back to the elite level to stay for a while, it will be because he's healthy and thus capable of physically doing the job.

        As I have said all along, if his hand is sound, and doesn't flare up, he's fine.

        One thing that clearly has happened in his favor is that he seems much calmer in the pocket now. The time away from getting hit and pounded was beneficial to him.

        As for my credibility -- in general terms -- anyone who thinks that me or any other sports columnist, or sports fan, or human being is right all of the time, please join us in the real world. I've never made that claim, and never will make that claim, that I am always right. And I do not hesitate to admit when I am wrong.

        God forbid I should be as arrogant as some of my critics.

        And in this instance, I consider the source. Some of the Warner fans are hardly objective about this situation. The gentleman who created this thread, for instance, has an e-mail address that basically serves as a tribute to Warner.

        And there's nothing wrong with that -- but at the same time, I always must keep...
        -10-04-2004, 05:34 AM
      • RamWraith
        Some Bernie
        by RamWraith
        Bulger, unlike Warner, was able to transcend some of the negatives the last couple of years in STL by winning 18 of 22 reg-season starts.

        This year, I'm sorry to say, the negatives appear to be reaching crisis proportions. When you have no offensive line, and a defense that gets shoved around and has no DT capable of making an impact play, then you have a team in trouble. When you have one NFL-caliber CB on the active roster (Butler) that's a team in trouble.

        That said, Bulger was terrible last night. He was part of the problem. And as I have said repeatedly, he should be judged on his own merits -- how he plays. He shouldn't be compared to Warner of 1999-2001, because Warner himself ain't anywhere near that these days.

        What's comical about some of these posts is that the Bulger is Satan/Warner is God crowd convenienty seem to forget that last week that Ol' No. 13 was sacked four times (at least twice because he held onto the ball too long) and threw as bad an INT as you'll see. If Warner had to play with the STL team we saw last night....oh gosh. I hate to even think about it.

        Cheers,
        Bernie

        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Post subject: Turley

        Turley sends mixed signals.
        He pops off to his friends and says he's done for the year.
        He tells the Rams he needs more time, and they're encouraging him to take it.

        Who knows?

        Cheers,
        Bernie

        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Post subject: Polley

        Carolina directed their running game at him.

        They game-planned him specifically.

        216 yards rushing, 5.3 yards per carry.

        I had a chance to review the coaching tapes and it was unreal. I don't know that I've ever seen a LB play worse than that.

        I have no idea why this guy is going south. He'd better pick it up.

        Cheers,
        Bernie
        -08-24-2004, 04:08 PM
      • ramsanddodgers
        Kurt Warner Silences Mike Martz and His Media Lapdog Bernie Miklasz
        by ramsanddodgers
        From: The Bleacher Report by Tom Highway


        With Arizona Cardinal quarterback Kurt Warner preparing for next Sunday's Super Bowl and with the entire nation taking measure of his phenomenal back-to-back seasons in the desert, football fans must wonder, "How could the Rams have parted ways with a quarterback who possesses such special talents?"

        Five years after his release from the Rams, this topic is still as controversial and white-hot as ever...And until the story is addressed honestly, it won't be going away anytime soon.

        At the center of the storm are two questionable characters—former Rams head coach Mike Martz and St. Louis sportswriter Bernie Miklasz. In the early 2000s, Martz and Miklasz forged a mutually-beneficial relationship.

        Martz routinely gave Miklasz exclusive access to his inner thoughts, and in return Miklasz delivered favorable Monday-morning analysis. The coach/reporter relationship became so incestuous, that Miklasz was even widely referred to as Martz's "Lapdog."

        And when Mike Martz set out to run Kurt Warner out of St. Louis, he enlisted the aid of his friend Bernie Miklasz. A head coach cannot push a two-time MVP QB with a Super Bowl ring to the curb without some media cover. His friend Bernie was more than happy to deliver.

        Under the guise of "objective reporting", Miklasz regurgitated a series of Martz's paranoid rants against Kurt Warner across the sports page, giving Martz all the cover he needed to get rid of Kurt and replace him with Marc Bulger. Today, replacing Warner with Bulger sounds like a ridiculous concept, but yes—it actually happened.

        As a general rule, NFL coaches and management speak no ill of their players abilities or health—a wise business approach to maintaining their trade value. Yet Martz, through Miklasz, saw to it that Warner was portrayed as washed up and possessing a "crippled claw" throwing hand.

        Not only was it bad business, it turned out to be a petty and vindictive attempt to end Warner's career.

        And the results were indeed damaging. Warner was exiled to New York where fans were calling for No. 1 draft pick and "quarterback of the future" Eli Manning before Warner ever took the field.

        And despite leading a terrible 2004 Giant team to a 5-4 record and despite becoming the Giant QB with the highest completion percentage in franchise history (that record still holds today), Warner was still benched. With Eli Manning at QB, the Giants finished the season 1-6, wholly validating Warner's accomplishments with a team in rebuilding mode.

        Then, with a still-tarnished reputation, courtesy of the Martz/Miklasz fabrications, Warner could only find work at the least successful franchise in the history of the NFL—the Arizona Cardinals.

        And in true Bidwillian fashion, his talents...
        -01-28-2009, 11:25 PM
      • RamWraith
        Bernie on Warner
        by RamWraith
        The thing that surprised me (and probably the rest of us, too) is that the Giants signed Warner without seeing him throwing the ball during a formal audition/workout. I know they couldn't work him out while he was still under contract to the Rams....but how can you make a deal with him without at least inspecting how he throws? Why not take a day to do that before completing the final deal? Despite what Kurt's agent says, no other teams were aggressively pursuing him. The Giants could have stalled for a day or two.

        Cheers,
        Bernie
        -06-21-2004, 06:06 PM
      • RamWraith
        The Bernie bits
        by RamWraith
        BernieM wrote:
        I don't care if Marshall Faulk talks to the media.
        I don't care if any athlete talks to the media.
        It does not impact my job in any way ... if anything it makes it easier.

        In Marshall's case, he's sour because of the praise directed at Jackson and the comments being made that he's lost speed and is on the downside of his career. Which is true in both cases, though as I've said many times, he still can be effective in spots, and he was certainly that against Seattle. But here's the irony: he always tells the network people (the crew doing yesterday's game) that it's now his role to help Jackson and help the offense by doing what he can...and that he accepts a secondary role if that's the reality....but when a STL radio, TV or newspaper guy says the same thing -- Jackson was deserving of more playing time, and Marshall has lost some quicks, and that his knees haven't held up -- he gets offended. Pretty funny.

        Even funnier is reading on here the posts like "good for Marshall" and "screw the media." Again, my paycheck doesn't change by one cent if Marshall Faulk declines to speak to me or anyone else. But when he declines to speak to us, he's declining to speak to the fans. So he's basically screwing the fans, because he's refusing to talk to you through the hated, evil, despised, scumbag media.

        It's hysterical.

        Cheers,
        Bernie

        BernieM wrote:
        A couple of comments if I may:

        1. Yes, Martz has taken cheap shots at Warner.

        2. I was sitting there yesterday when Martz made the comment ... and I didn't interpret it as a shot at Warner...Martz was giddy, happy, no malice in his heart. We pressed him to describe the Cleeland TD catch and he gave us a brief history and he recounted how he used it once before but Kurt didn't connect on it. I took it as a matter-of-fact recital of what had happened before, not a swipe at Warner.

        I understand how some of you could view it as a poke at Warner -- given Martz's track record -- but to me it didn't come across that way when he mentioned Warner yesterday.

        Cheers,
        B

        BernieM wrote:
        Bbref....

        yes, I do think that some in the locker room are thriving on the circle the wagons mentality....which is good for them....anything that works is fine by me.

        Cheers,
        B

        BernieM wrote:
        I need to vent...sorry...early wake-up call in Seattle, long flight, short time to write a column.

        In advance let me say that NONE of this is directed at any posters here. And again....I'm just venting...need an outlet...thanks for putting up with it....and providing some therapy for me.

        Just checked my e-mail.... question: is it possible for everyone to enjoy a playoff victory?

        The e-mails were remarkably acidic for the day...
        -01-09-2005, 07:37 PM
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