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    http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7423842

    No Rams in the top 25. Two Rams in the top 50:

    26. Orlando Pace
    29. Torry Holt

  • #2
    Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

    I'm sure that Pete Prisco, the man, is a wonderful human being and all-around swell guy. But Pete Prisco, the sports-writer, is a waste of oxygen & ink.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    • #3
      Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

      Remember just a couple years ago the Rams had a million in his list. I remember Holt, Faulk, Bruce, Pace, Warner.

      Boy they mus turn bad over night.

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      • #4
        Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

        Pace and Holt hey......

        My initial comment is that i think this is fair.. what it does highlight to me is something that has been going on in my mind for the past month or so and it is reinforced in this comment:

        He doesn't always seem to care about the game,
        i.e. we are a group of mercenaries only worried about money.. no heart in this team.... first time I have felt this about the rams in quite a while... I don't know why this is exactly... maybe its because there are few characters.. Bulger is so laid back (no urgency)... Pace is only worried about feeding himself... no true leader on either offense or defense (less so without Wilstrom).. a group of fat lazy [DELETED CONTENT] on the DL... I don't know... football is about passion and I'm not seeing it in this team this year.. hopefully archuleta or pisa will step into that role.
        Last edited by AvengerRam_old; -06-17-2004, 02:27 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

          elAcky, you have to the most negitive person I know. In your world is the sky ever blue? or the grass green.

          You know this Rams team isn't going to be all bad this next season, and we do have some pretty good leaders on this team that aren't all about greed. Bruce, Holt, Timmerman, Jackson, Polley, Thomas all come to mind.

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          • #6
            Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

            Bruce, Holt, Timmerman, Jackson, Polley, Thomas
            where's the leader in this group ?

            where's the new london Fletcher or Kurt Warner ?

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            • #7
              Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

              Top 50: Manning tops list of the NFL's best
              June 15, 2004
              By Pete Prisco
              SportsLine.com Senior Writer
              Tell Pete your opinion!


              It's not the numbers. Nor is it the name, as some might think.

              It's talent, pure and simple, that makes Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning the best player in the NFL.


              Peyton Manning has done it all except win a Super Bowl.(Getty Images)
              If you threw the entire league into an open draft, you can bet that the majority of the 32 teams would take Manning first. For starters, he's a quarterback, which accentuates his value. More than that, though, he's a quarterback in his prime on his way to the Hall of Fame.

              Injuries? He hasn't missed a game in six years. He's as clean as any player in the league from that standpoint.

              There are no blemishes aside from the fact he still has not won a Super Bowl, but that will come. Manning was the choice as the top player in the SportsLine.com Top 50 in 2001, a pick ripped by many when it was made.

              For whatever reason, Manning has a large group of haters. That makes anything written positive about him a sore spot, bound to generate nasty responses.

              So get them ready. Manning is again the top-ranked player on our list of 50, a throne held by Ray Lewis in 2002 and then Derrick Brooks in 2003.

              Manning's 2003 season, which included a searing postseason that left him a game short of the Super Bowl, is reason enough to put him atop the list.

              Can he stay there? What's to think he won't?

              There is an entire league of players ready to chase him down, especially at the running back spot. In doing this top 50, the one thing that stands out is the number of great backs there are in the league right now.

              There are six in the top 20, eight in the top 50, and that doesn't include Seattle's Shaun Alexander or Carolina's Stephen Davis, who were close.

              The top back is Kansas City's Priest Holmes, although San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson and Washington's Clinton Portis are close.

              Holmes, fresh off another impressive season, is ranked fourth overall in the top 50, although a case could be made for him being at the top.

              Not on this list. He has some work to do to get Manning, who earned the right to be looking down at the rest of the league's players in the list that follows.

              1. Peyton Manning, QB, Colts: He has been the best quarterback, and now he's clearly the best player. The only thing missing is a Super Bowl victory.

              2. Ray Lewis, LB, Ravens: This is the best middle linebacker to play the game, which is high praise. Some said Lewis' play tailed off some last season when a shoulder injury forced him to change his tackling some. But he still gets to the football better than any middle/inside linebacker in history.

              3. Steve McNair, QB, Titans: The co-MVP from last season has made major strides the past two years because of his ability to stay in the pocket. He can carry a team: and he does.

              4. Priest Holmes, RB, Chiefs: The numbers he puts up are simply amazing, especially when you consider he was not drafted. So much for that hip injury slowing him down.

              5. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, Chargers: He is a special player on a not-so-special team. He may never get his due playing for the Chargers, which isn't right.

              Randy Moss tops the field of receivers if you ask those who face him.(AP)
              6. Randy Moss, WR, Vikings: His statistics don't make him the best in the league, but ask most personnel guys and most defensive backs and they'll say Moss is the best. On this list, he is the highest-ranked receiver.

              7. Marvin Harrison, WR, Colts: He didn't put up the same numbers as he did in 2002, but still put up some impressive numbers. Manning spread the ball more last season, which helped the Colts offense, but hurt Harrison's numbers.

              8. Kris Jenkins, DT, Panthers: The best inside player in the game, a force who can play the run and also get pressure on the quarterback. The argument about Warren Sapp or Jenkins is over now. This may seem high, but ask the offensive coordinators who face him.

              9. Champ Bailey, CB, Broncos: Bailey and Charles Woodson of the Raiders are the two best corners in the game (sorry, Ty Law). Some scouts said Bailey tailed off some last year, but others say he remains the league's best.

              10. Jonathan Ogden, T, Ravens: Remains the best tackle in the game, a dominant run blocker who also is one heck of a pass protector. Only downside is a lack of a mean streak.

              11. Clinton Portis, RB, Redskins: He may be the best pure runner in the game, and now he can show that he wasn't just a product of the Denver system. Joe Gibbs will love this guy.

              12. Tom Brady, QB, Patriots: He has made a believer out of us. He's perfect for what the Patriots want him to do, which is to be effective in the high-percentage passing game. Two Super Bowls in three years. Wow.

              13. Jamal Lewis, RB, Ravens: His legal issues aside, this is a player coming off a 2,000-yard rushing season, playing for a team that didn't throw it that well, either. He's a powerful runner.

              14. Richard Seymour, DE, Patriots: Can dominate at end and tackle, depending on the scheme being used. Really came on late last season to dominate after a slow start.

              15. Ahman Green, RB, Packers: In a league where the running backs are king, he is among the best. Green can run with it and catch, making him a duel threat.

              16. Chris McAlister, CB, Ravens: A physical corner who can beat up a receiver, yet still turn and run with them. Coming off his best season.

              17. Mike Strahan, DE, Giants: Quietly had one heck of a season in 2003, but now must deal with playing for a coach he obviously cares little about.

              18. Brett Favre, QB, Packers: He's still one heck of a gunslinger, owning the big arm and demeanor to be great. His skills have eroded a bit, but not much.

              19. Michael Vick, QB, Falcons: The leg injury set him back a bunch last year, but he has the skills to move into the top five next year. He does have to grow as a pocket passer.

              20. Deuce McAllister, RB, Saints: A big-play threat who can also get the tough yards. He is another undervalued player who doesn't get his due.

              21. Charles Woodson, CB, Raiders: Battled through injuries last season, but still played at a high level. Teams did pick on him a little more than in the past, but he still is a shut-down corner.

              22. Al Wilson, MLB, Broncos: The Broncos did the right thing signing him to a long-term deal. Wilson plays the game with an attitude and he has the speed to chase down backs and play the pass.

              23. Ty Law, CB, Patriots: He was outstanding last year in helping the Patriots win the Super Bowl. Has wonderful man cover skills, but also has a knack for playing the ball in zone coverage.


              Brian Dawkins is a force from the safety position.(Getty Images)
              24. Brian Dawkins, S, Eagles: The hard-hitting safety will have to play even better with the loss of the two starting corners. Can impact the game from the safety spot, which is rare.

              25. Derrick Brooks, LB, Bucs: With Warren Sapp and John Lynch gone, this is clearly Brooks' defense -- if it wasn't already. Brooks topped this list last year, but he falls a bit this time around.

              26. Orlando Pace, T, Rams: He doesn't always seem to care about the game, reflecting a lack of passion. But he has the tools to dominate when he wants to do so. Has amazing feet for a man his size.

              27. Julian Peterson, LB, *****: His multi-dimensional skills shined last year, but a nasty contract situation could impact his season. When he's on the field, he's an all-round player and key to the ***** defense.

              28. Tony Gonzalez, TE, Chiefs: He still rates as the best pass-catching tight end in the game, a weapon who helps offset the fact the Chiefs do not have big-play receivers.

              29. Torry Holt, WR, Rams: No matter who plays quarterback, Holt is a consistent threat down the field. Holt's skills have improved each year, and he's now in his prime.

              30. Brian Urlacher, LB, Bears: The trendy talk is that he didn't play that well last season, that he tends to run around blocks. He's not the power linebacker Dick Butkus was when he played for the Bears, but he's a playmaker, which is why he's one of the best. Not in the Lewis' class.

              31. LaVar Arrington, LB, Redskins: He isn't as good as people rate him, in large part because he freelances too much. But he has all the tools. Gregg Williams will make him a better player.

              32. Terrell Owens, WR, Eagles: This is a hard-working player who takes far too much grief for his antics. He's a big-play receiver who will help change the Eagles offense.

              33. Marcus Stroud, DT, Jaguars: A riser on this board, Stroud went to his first Pro Bowl last season. It won't be his last as he moves near the top of the defensive tackle ratings.

              34. Jason Taylor, DE, Dolphins: Even though there's a perception that Adewale Ogunleye is the better end on the Miami defense, more scouts would still take Taylor.

              35. Jeremy Shockey, TE, Giants: He hasn't lived up to the hype, but every single team would take him in a minute. He has to stay healthy, and that's questionable now.

              36. Walter Jones, T, Seahawks: He excels in pass protection, but, like Pace and Ogden, he doesn't play with a nasty streak.

              37. Ed Reed, S, Ravens: Reed had a break-out year in his second season, showing outstanding cover skills and the ability to come up and thump against the run.

              38. Donovan McNabb, QB, Eagles: After a slow start last season, McNabb bounced back to play well. Now the pressure is on even more with the no-receivers excuse gone with the signing of Terrell Owens.

              39. Fred Taylor, RB, Jaguars: Two years without a missed game has helped him throw away the "Fragile Fred" label. He is the most underrated player in the league.

              40. Todd Heap, TE, Ravens: His numbers are stunted by the offense he plays in, but he has the same type of tools as Shockey. As Kyle Boller grows this season, look for Heap to put up better numbers.

              41. Takeo Spikes, LB, Bills: Had his best season last year, his first with the Bills. Has the speed coaches love, and has learned to harness it and play under control more.

              42. Simeon Rice, DE, Bucs: His play tailed off some from 2002, but he still remains a threat off the corner. Look for a bounce-back year from Rice.

              43. Roy Williams, S, Cowboys: This will be the season where his skills really shine now that he is comfortable with the defense. He has amazing ability for a safety his size.

              44. Patrick Surtain, CB, Dolphins: In the past two years, he has clearly moved way past teammate Sam Madison in terms of coverage ability.

              45. Keith Bulluck, LB, Titans: Another of the more underrated players in the league. Bulluck is an active player who always seems to be around the ball.

              46. Chad Johnson, WR, Bengals: There is no more doubting that he is better than his more heralded cousin, Keyshawn. This is a big-play receiver. Just ask him.

              47. Ricky Williams, RB, Dolphins: Miami's poor line play last season hurt Williams, but he also didn't have the same burst to the hole as he did in 2002. The alleged failed drug test is hanging over this season already.

              48. Andre Johnson, WR, Texans: The leap for receivers going from their first to second seasons is usually a big one. That doesn't bode well for defensive backs readying to face Johnson.

              49. Jevon Kearse, DE, Eagles: If his foot injury holds up, he is capable of a 15-sack season. That's a big if, though. Would be higher if he had been healthy last season.

              50. Steve Hutchinson, G, Seahawks: He is the best guard in the league, which is why he's on this list. Has great athletic ability, but he's also a mauler when need be.

              __________________________________________________________
              Keeping the Rams Nation Talking

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              • #8
                Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                I'm not necessarily arguing with the positions on the list, but how can Pace be criticized for not being motivated all the time and Moss not be? I don't remember Pace being beaten very much last year even after his slow start. Has Moss started taking fewer plays off? It was pretty obvious when Moss was loafing, not so much with Pace...in my opinion.

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                • #9
                  Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                  mokler.....I don't think I have agreed with you on one thing until now. I firmly agree with your assessment on Pace/Moss.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                    The list is just about “pure talent” and talent-wise, Moss is the No. 1 WR(unfortunately). Pace is the second tackle on the list behind Ogden which IMO, is the correct order.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                      Hi guys I have been looking at this site for a long time but, untill now I havent signed up simply because it cost money.

                      Prisco has now lost all his credibility with this list. Lets start with the players that are to high on the list:

                      8. Kris Jenkins: This guy is a monster no dought but number 8? Look at the guys on his line he may not even be the best on it! Should be ranked after the top 10.

                      11. Clinton Portis: The guy ran under one of the best lines in all of football and still did'nt get as great of numbers as players ranked lower than him. IE. Green, Lewis, McAllister. Should be ranked in the 20s or 30s IMO. Lets see how he does in Washinton.

                      14. Richard Seymor: Dont get me wrong this guy is a great player but he shouldnt be ranked ahead of better players like Strahan plus others. He should be ranked in late 20s.

                      18. Bret Farve: This guy is a legend but pete prisco is contradicting him self when he says he isnt rating players best on name. He should be in the 30s or late 20s.

                      19. Mike Vick: Arguabley shouldnt even belond on the list snice he didnt produce at all last and really didnt show that much of a passing talent the year before. Should be in late 40s.

                      22. Al Wilson: IMO the 4th best linebacker behind lewis urlacher and lavar. Should be ranked in the late 30s.

                      32. Terrel Owens: Another player put this high soley based on name. Owens has clearly lost a step and is barely in the top 5 of WRS.

                      35. Jermey Shockey: Another player put this high based on name and another player that didnt produce last year. If all these injurys pass he may have a good season next year though. Should be in late 40s

                      47. Andre Johnson: This is the most silly out of all the picks i mean come on the guy wasnt even the best rookie of last year. Ward and a cast of others all could be on the list instead of this guy. shouldnt be ranked.

                      50. Steve Hucthenson: Not even the best gaurd in the nfl he should be on the list though but pete prisco has no love for the big men.

                      Now for players ranked to low

                      17. Mike Strahan: This guy is the best D linemen in the game his 17 sacks last season went unnoticed. Should be in the top 10.

                      20. Deuce McAllister: Can run and catch one of the best running backs in the league. Should be in top 15.

                      26. Orlando Pace: Seriously pete has no love for the big men this guy is arguably the best tackle in the game. I never see anyone beat him. He is definately the best pass blocker in the nfl and should be ranked in top 10.

                      29. Torry Holt: This ranking shows that Torry Holt is still underrated by most experts the guy lead the league in yards, catches and first downs. He was 2nd in tds. Pete says Moss is the best WR just ask the dbs who play them when Torry Holt was voted best WR by nfl players them selves. Should be in top 15

                      37. Walter Jones: Again pete hates the big men this guy is the 3rd best linemen in the game. Should be in top 25.

                      40. Patrick Surtain: This guy is arguably the best CB in the game and he is ranked in the 40s huh? Should be in top 25.


                      Players that should have made the list are: Culpepper, Ward , Mason, Boldin, shields, tark,little and others.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                        Originally posted by moklerman
                        I'm not necessarily arguing with the positions on the list, but how can Pace be criticized for not being motivated all the time and Moss not be? I don't remember Pace being beaten very much last year even after his slow start. Has Moss started taking fewer plays off? It was pretty obvious when Moss was loafing, not so much with Pace...in my opinion.
                        I don't remember hearing anything out of Randy Moss's mouth last season. It seems to me that he shut up and played football. A report in October indicated Moss had a much better work ethic. Meanwhile, last season, Pace holds out until preseason and isn't in great shape, and is now holding out again. It sounds to me like Pace is deserving of criticism at this point, but I wouldn't jump on Moss's case just yet.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                          It's pointless to make a list of the "best" players in the NFL based on talent alone.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                            I don't pay much attention to lists like that as its his opinion and any one else expert or novice would have a different view.

                            We have good talent and if we put it together we can make a good run at the superbowl again

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                            • #15
                              Re: Prisco - NFL's 50 best players

                              Good points.

                              The Detroit Pistons and the '01 Pats should be a good indication that you don't need an established super star to be effective. Fortunately, we have some, but this list shouldn't concern us.

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