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  • #1

    Brian Young

    I saw an article on the PD board about Brian Young and how he's doin so good down in NO.

    It burns my butt to see that we let our best, or one of our best DTs go and kept those other 2 DTs Lewis and Kennedy (Pickett was average, and I don't know how his stats compare with Youngs). What a waste, what bad management. Its stuff like this that brings back all those bad old memories of how the Ram's FO screwed the team over back in the day. Shaw demoralized a great team, and the 90s showed it.

    Sometimes you see our FO do some sharp stuff, then you see em do such stupid stuff, (like drafting that QB out of Neb to play WR!), it makes it difficult to figure out if they are knowledgeable leaders who make mistakes, or dufuses who get lucky.
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    Re: Brian Young

    Well, let's be fair. The Broncos and Chiefs were also looking at Crouch as a wide receiver option. True, they didn't draft him. But the Packers signed him twice to play a position other than QB. Obviously the Rams weren't the only team that recognized the athletic skills and potential of Eric Crouch.

    As for Brian Young, it's good to hear he's doing well elsewhere, but I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to suggest by saying we should have kept Young but let Lewis or Kennedy go. Kennedy was a rookie last season. It would have been moronic for a franchise to release a first round rookie a year after drafting him if only because of the advanced cap hit that would have been created, but also because we don't know yet if he's going to be the talent he was in college. Lovie's scheme of having the DTs play at a lower weight to try and add speed was detrimental to their skills, so this season under Marmie should be a good test to see what these guys are made of.

    Plus, Kennedy has been said to look great this offseason. He's much stronger and looks just as fast if not faster with the weight back on. As for Lewis, I think he's signed through 2005, so again we'd be taking a hit by releasing him. I just don't see the logic in releasing someone else just to resign Young because our DTs haven't proved their worth yet.

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    • #3
      Re: Brian Young

      It's all about $$$

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      • #4
        Re: Brian Young

        When it's all said and done, I think you're absolutely right, Wraith. I don't think Brian Young chose to go to New Orleans because they offer the best chance of winning.

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        • #5
          Re: Brian Young

          When 70% or so of your salary cap is going to the offensive side of the ball, it makes for slim pickings on the defense.

          The salary cap is the necessary evil that keeps teams competitive. It's also probably the most overlooked aspect of the teams makeup by fans.

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          • #6
            Re: Brian Young

            Good point, Tex. Then again, Young didn't exactly get a backbreaking contract from the Saints. His salary breakdown is

            2004 535000.00
            2005 950000.00
            2006 1950000.00
            2007 2450000.00

            ...and he got a $4M bonus. I'm not a cap expert, but now that the Rams released Warner, it looks like they could have squeezed Young in. Then again, they probably would have gone over sometime earlier this spring, and I'm not sure if that's allowed or not. They probably could have waited to finalize the deal with Bulger until after Warner's release to try and maximize their cap space prior earlier in the year, who knows... :confused:

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            • #7
              Re: Brian Young

              Originally posted by NickSeiler
              Well, let's be fair. The Broncos and Chiefs were also looking at Crouch as a wide receiver option. True, they didn't draft him. But the Packers signed him twice to play a position other than QB. Obviously the Rams weren't the only team that recognized the athletic skills and potential of Eric Crouch.
              I'm not sure why the fact that a couple of other FOs looked at Crouch entitles the Rams FO a "fairer" evaluation? That could possibly just mean that they're were other FOs equally as stupid as the Rams'. The reverse is just as true. Apparently 30 other teams recognized that Crouch wasn't going to be an asset in any form - certainly not enough to waste a draft pick on. So it just goes to show that the overwhelming opinion of the FOs in the league recognized that Crouch was a waste and a quitter.



              Originally posted by txramsfan
              The salary cap is the necessary evil that keeps teams competitive. It's also probably the most overlooked aspect of the teams makeup by fans.
              Another sweeping statement by you Tx that could arguably be just as incorrect as it is valid. Perhaps the salary cap isn't talked about much because the topic is fairly confusing and FOs/the league/the NFLPA don't do much to shed light on the matter ... in fact, by virtue of the fact that they don't open their books for all to see one could say that they contribute to the obfuscation in order to minimalize the criticism that could be forthcoming..

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              • #8
                Re: Brian Young

                Actually, they do open the books for all to see. Salaries are posted for all teams all over the web.

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                • #9
                  Re: Brian Young

                  Originally posted by adarian_too
                  I'm not sure why the fact that a couple of other FOs looked at Crouch entitles the Rams FO a "fairer" evaluation? That could possibly just mean that they're were other FOs equally as stupid as the Rams'. The reverse is just as true. Apparently 30 other teams recognized that Crouch wasn't going to be an asset in any form - certainly not enough to waste a draft pick on. So it just goes to show that the overwhelming opinion of the FOs in the league recognized that Crouch was a waste and a quitter.
                  So because 30 other teams didn't show public interest in Crouch prior to the draft, they thought he wasn't going to be an asset? And since no other teams wasted a third round pick or higher on Crouch, that means they were smarter?

                  I must have forgot your telepathy gives you access to the minds and true motives of every NFL owner and GM of the time. :bored:

                  Really, you have absolutely no idea whether or not another team would have taken a chance at Crouch later in the draft. The Rams made a bad move by taking Crouch in the third round, but how do you know if another team would have taken him in, say, the fifth? Unless you can provide public sources to confirm that, you're being pretty presumptuous by saying every other team knew something different on Mr. Crouch.

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                  • #10
                    2003 Rams Salary Cap position

                    Here's 2003 for instance adarian...
                    Archuleta, Adam 1,308,000 S
                    Bruce, Isaac $ 7,340,709 WR
                    Bulger, Marc $ 379,900 QB
                    Butler, Jerametrius $ 431,900 CB
                    Cleeland, Cameron $ 478,700 TE
                    Coady, Rich $ 450,000 S
                    Covington, Scott $ 423,529 QB
                    Curtis, Kevin $ 398,666 WR
                    Duncan, Jamie $ 1,375,000 LB
                    Eby, Andy $ 150,100 OL
                    Faulk, Marshall $ 2,185,356 RB
                    Faulk, Trev $ 300,000 $ 0 LB
                    Fisher, Bryce $ 380,200 DE
                    Fisher, Travis $ 534,800 CB
                    Flowers, Erik $ 105,882 LB
                    Furrey, Mike $ 227,900 WR
                    Garrett, Kevin $ 254,000 CB
                    Goodspeed, Joey $ 123,529 RB
                    Gordon, Lamar $ 456,250 RB
                    Groce, DeJuan $ 333,000 CB
                    Harris, Arlen $ 225,000 RB
                    Herring, Kim $ 2,680,600 S
                    Holt, Torry $ 3,445,714 WR
                    Jackson, Tyoka $ 727,266 DE
                    Kennedy, Jimmy $ 1,344,000 DT
                    King, Andy $ 52,941 OL
                    Landeta, Sean $ 477,100 P
                    Lewis, Damione $ 1,760,000 DT
                    Little, Leonard $ 2,000,000 DE
                    Looker, Dane $ 380,200 WR
                    Loverne, David $ 533,800 OL
                    Loyd, Jeremy $ 66,176 LB
                    Manumaleuna, Brandon $ 478,000 TE
                    Massey, Chris $ 314,000 RB
                    McCollum, Andy $ 842,733 OL
                    McDonald, Shaun $ 333,000 WR
                    Pace, Orlando $ 5,734,000 OL
                    Pickett, Ryan $ 1,199,000 DT
                    Polley, Tommy $ 786,166 LB
                    Sehorn, Jason $ 1,001,000 S
                    Smith, Justin $ 39,706 LB
                    St Clair, John $ 609,700 OL
                    Tercero, Scott $ 39,706 OL
                    Thomas, Robert $ 1,058,750 LB
                    Timmerman, Adam $ 5,055,350 OL
                    Tinoisamoa, Pisa $ 629,750 LB
                    Turley, Kyle $ 2,356,799 OL
                    Walton, Shane $ 188,074 CB
                    Warner, Kurt $ 8,767,457 QB
                    Weary, Fred $ 450,000 CB
                    Wilkins, Jeff $ 1,329,400 K
                    Williams, Aeneas $ 2,503,100 S
                    Williams, Grant $ 693,133 OL
                    Wistrom, Grant $ 3,214,666 DE
                    Wohlabaugh, Dave $ 1,160,100 OL
                    Young, Brian $ 610,100 DT

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2003 Rams Salary Cap position

                      That list doesn't factor in the cap hit caused by signing bonuses though, right?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Brian Young

                        No, that's the grand total for 2003. I edited out how it came about due to space.

                        I found it at USATODAY.com

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                        • #13
                          Re: Brian Young

                          keep in mind cap wise that even after cutting warner and saving some money, we need $3 million to sign the rookies, so the freed up 4.5 million in cap space from warner didnt give us 4.5 million to spend. Prior to cutting captain kurt, we were only 36k under the cap.

                          general counsel

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                          • #14
                            Re: Brian Young

                            My point is that with the sustained weakness at DT, our FO could have been creative enough to keep their best DT. It would not have bothered me at all to have dumped Kennedy, why gamble when you have a proven DT? The Rams have carried the other two underachieving DTs far too long, why not wake up and do the right thing?

                            The hoopla coming out of camps this early is PR. We'll only know when games are actually played. I've heard far too much of the player PR, prior to the season, to get excited about it anymore. Blah blah blah. Show me the money. Lewis and Kennedy were duds last season, and Pickett only average. Why not clean house or at least get rid of one over-paid guy and keep the best player?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Brian Young

                              That would have accounted for way too much dead money coy.

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                              • TheGuest62
                                Why did our DTs fail so badly?
                                by TheGuest62
                                Dating back to the 2001 Draft the St Louis Rams have invested a great deal of time and money into the Defensive Tackle position. Spending Three 1st round Draft picks on DTs.

                                - Damione Lewis; 1st round pick, #12 overall. (2001)

                                - Ryan Pickett; 1st round pick, #29 overall. (2001)

                                - Jimmy Kennedy; 1st round pick, #12 overall. (2003)

                                All 3 are no longer on the team, and were deemed failures in their time with the Rams.

                                My question is why? Why, and how did we miss so badly not once, or twice but with Three highly selected players. Who's to blame? the Scouts who scouted and watched film on these players? the coaches? did the Martz regime fail to give these kids any proper coaching to help their develpment? Or is it mostly the players fault, maybe when they got their hands on an NFL paycheck they decided to kick back and put it in cruise control?

                                Thoughts on this?
                                -06-11-2007, 12:32 PM
                              • RamDez
                                Kennedy's stock is rising after unproductive year
                                by RamDez
                                Kennedy's stock is rising after unproductive year
                                By Bill Coats

                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                12/03/2004


                                *

                                Sure, Rams defensive tackle Jimmy Kennedy acknowledged, the surgically repaired fifth metatarsal in his right foot still hurts from time to time. But he has a plan.

                                "We'll make this run to the Super Bowl," Kennedy said, "and then I'll get a chance to rest it up for a little bit."

                                Nice strategy, but perhaps a bit heady, considering that the Rams (5-6) are clinging to playoff hopes as they head into Sunday's contest against San Francisco (1-10) at the Edward Jones Dome.

                                Still, Kennedy's upbeat attitude is understandable. Finally healthy after more than three months on the sideline, and finally making an impact after a highly disappointing rookie season, Kennedy is feeling downright bubbly these days. And if he gets his first NFL start Sunday, his exuberance will go even higher.

                                "I'm not really thinking about" starting, insisted Kennedy, who spent considerable time with the first unit in practice this week. "Since I came back, we've been having a weird rotation. One day I'm with the ones, the next day I'm with the threes. ... I'm just trying to get better every day, and whatever happens, happens."

                                The Rams spent their first-round draft spot, No. 12 overall, last year for Kennedy, a 6-foot-4, 320-pounder out of Penn State. They didn't get much in return: Kennedy appeared in 13 games as a reserve, recording just 10 tackles.

                                He seemed to be making significant strides early in training camp before he was hurt. Martz praised Kennedy for using his down time to bulk up, and he's been a consistent contributor, with increasing playing time, in the past three games since his return.

                                Kennedy had a career-high five tackles, including three solo stops, Monday night in the Rams' 45-17 loss at Green Bay. Rookie Brian Howard started alongside Ryan Pickett in place of Damione Lewis, collecting three tackles, but Kennedy got plenty of work.

                                "He played very well, and he's going to play more," Martz said. "He's done everything we've asked him to do, and he's made outstanding progress."

                                Kennedy, 25, said the rehab and comeback after the injury have "been a battle, a tough battle, fighting through the soreness, scar tissue breaking up and having to go out there and still practice. But the way I feel right now is, I missed so much time that even if it's sore, I still want to be out there on the field."

                                And despite his optimism, Kennedy realizes that the Rams need all the help they can get in their quest for a postseason berth. He issued a challenge of sorts to his teammates.

                                "Right now as a team, our backs are against the wall," he said. "We're going to have to see how we're going to
                                ...
                                -12-04-2004, 01:04 AM
                              • Rambos
                                Have we been unfair with Kennedy?
                                by Rambos
                                It seems to me, we have been very patient with D Lewis, waiting for him to play like a top draft pick. But with Kennedy it’s seems we have already wrote this guy off. Here are some number pulled from stlouisrams.com





                                The facts:
                                He was hurt in 04
                                This is his 4th year as pro
                                He was in a scheme that really sucked not to many player flourished under this scheme
                                He had no mentor other then another peer in Pickett

                                Could he still break out with a mentor like La'Roi Glover and a DC in Hasslett?


                                Is he really a bust or can he still play like a number one draft pick?...
                                -03-15-2006, 08:18 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Questions: Rams DT Jimmy Kennedy
                                by RamWraith
                                By Bill Coats
                                ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
                                10/29/2006

                                Although he was the Rams' first-round draft choice (No. 12 overall) in 2003, defensive lineman Jimmy Kennedy never had been able to hold down a starting job. This year, playing a new position (nose tackle) under a new head coach (Scott Linehan), a new defensive coordinator (Jim Haslett) and a new position coach (Brian Baker), has been different for the 6-foot-4, 325-pound former Penn State star.

                                Kennedy has been the first-team nose tackle since the start of training camp. Lining up alongside veteran La'Roi Glover, Kennedy has been a key performer in a Rams defense that has improved significantly overall and leads the NFL in turnover margin.

                                During a break in preparations for Sunday's game at San Diego, Kennedy answered five questions from the Post-Dispatch:

                                How is the move to nose tackle going?


                                "It's going great. Every practice, I learn something new. I have a great defense around me, and I love the fact that my linebackers behind me are having a lot of success. Haslett and Brian Baker told me I could become one of the best (nose tackles) in the league. So I'm definitely happy with the switch."

                                Are you pleased with the Rams' 4-2 start?

                                "We'd love to be 6-0, but you get what you can get. We're playing solid football, but we get to watch the film and see the mistakes that we make. And I'm glad that this defense, and this team, doesn't settle for just average. We're trying to fix our mistakes and go out there and have that perfect game so we can make a great run."

                                Speaking of runs, three of the Rams' next four opponents have winning records and the other is at .500. Is this the pivotal stretch in the season?

                                "Who do we play next? Seriously. I really don't know, and I think there are a lot of guys who don't know. After we play the Chargers, we'll find out who we have next and where. It's really one game at a time, and that's the way it has to be."

                                How is the atmosphere at Rams Park different this year from last year?

                                "Last year, there was so much uncertainty. You didn't know what was going on with (Mike) Martz, you didn't know what was going on upstairs (in the executive offices), you had a quarterback hurt. ... It wasn't a team; it was a lot of guys going out and just playing, for the most part. This year, everything's in place, we know what's going on, and we hold each other accountable. It's a family atmosphere. Guys love coming to work now. We're having fun."

                                What was it like to play for Joe Paterno in college?

                                "I didn't know the type of legend he was until I got there. When you realize his standards and what he demands, it's a blessing to play for the guy. It's not just about football with him. He cares about his players off the field, too....
                                -10-29-2006, 08:45 AM
                              • HUbison
                                I apologize to the entire board.
                                by HUbison
                                Since April of 2003, I have supported and defended Jimmy Kennedy.

                                He slipped in the draft, but when the Rams took him, I defended the pick. I looked at what he did at Penn State, and saw that he could be dominate on our D-line. He had all the tools to solidify our interior. All the tools except one.........team mentality.

                                When he faltered early, I said it was due to bad advice he got from a teammate (as he said in an interview). When he came back from his first injury, I gave him credit for getting back on the field early. When he played through his broken hand last year, I praised his toughness. When he played inconsistently at NT last year, I stuck by the "new position" motto: Give him a little time.

                                After reading the article posted by Wraith, I take it all back! I can excuse a lot of things, but reading his remarks struck me as an individual who lacks the one aspect that I can not excuse in any shape, form, or fashion........a "me first" attitude!

                                Kennedy says the Rams didn't use him right. Kennedy says he got in trouble for making too many plays. Kennedy said the Rams were using him "just as a nose guard". All of these statements are saying the same thing..........Kennedy is willing to, and eager to put himself ahead of the team! That is something I can not stomach. When you are on a team, you do what is best for the team. Period! To hold back because the team asks something of you other than what you want is the single most disrespectful act a teammate can do.

                                I have no respect for Kennedy, and I curse any day I spent defending him.
                                -08-16-2007, 07:07 AM
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