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    This guy is going to be what Brian Young would have been had he been retained. Holsey was arguably the best lineman on a weak Redskins defensive line last season. He started all year for them, and while he probably isn't an every down starter, the impression I've got from some Redskins fans is that he shows a lot of intensity and is a good pass rushing DT coming off the bench. I think we gained a very good depth player by signing him, and I would imagine he'll beat out the rookie DTs that we picked up as free agents.

    Also, look at what Holsey was able to do last season statistically in comparison to Young. While Young forced three fumbles, he had fewer solo tackles and fewer sacks that Holsey. That could be attributed to less playing time, but also keep in mind Young was playing with better overall defensive line players, including one of the league's sack leaders.

    Personally, I think signing Holsey and releasing Walton was a good move by the franchise to help add good depth to a questionable position. We know that Aeneas and Arch are going to play good ball for us, and we know Coady can step in and perform moderately. Shivers has potential, so Walton seems like the odd man out, especially coming off his injury. Meanwhile, signing Holsey gives us another man at DT and keeps Jackson from having to rotating between the interior and the exterior of the line, as I've heard that the Rams are interested in using him primarily on the bookends this year (think I read Howard say that).

  • #2
    Re: Some notes about Holsey

    Thanks Nick, you warm the ****les of my heart with your positive info on holsey. I too think it makes sense and while i liked young, i will never get over his failure to fall on the fumble at the goal line in the carolina game that was right in his hands. I would have been happy to have young back at the right price, but in the cap era, i dont think you can pay that kind of money for a backup. I agree with those that say this is the make or break year for damione lewis. I think the key with pickett is that he stays healthy. I am openminded on kennedy, we will see what happens this year.

    I dont see how you can go wrong getting a guy for the minimum with only a 450k cap charge who started every game last year and performed adequately.

    One question nick, what are your views on brian howard, who others on this board (i believe ferter included) are high on.

    general counsel


    • #3
      Re: Some notes about Holsey

      This reminds me of the cornerback situation last year, which was a big preseason question mark but was solved by a simple philosophy: overload the position and let them compete in training camp for the roster spots. This will be interesting.


      • #4
        Re: Some notes about Holsey

        Originally posted by Evil Disco Man
        This reminds me of the cornerback situation last year, which was a big preseason question mark but was solved by a simple philosophy: overload the position and let them compete in training camp for the roster spots. This will be interesting.
        Excellent point, EDM. Competition breeds performance.
        The more things change, the more they stay the same.


        • #5
          Re: Some notes about Holsey

          Originally posted by general counsel
          One question nick, what are your views on brian howard, who others on this board (i believe ferter included) are high on.
          I really don't know an awful lot about him. He was an undrafted free agent, so obviously the liklihood of him being used outside of a depth role is slim, but I guess the Rams see something in him in order to give him a three year deal instead of just one... unless they wanted to just spread out his minimal bonus. I think he's the odd man out right now, given the Holsey signing. Considering he'll probably have to beat Holsey out to remain on the roster, Holsey being a full season starter in the NFL from last season who performed fairly well given the circumstances, I don't know if he makes the cut.


          • #6
            Re: Some notes about Holsey

            to the practice squad with him


            • #7
              Re: Some notes about Holsey

              If Pickett and DLew don't step up and play to their potential, no signing will matter. I do believe Holsey will provide depth, but Pickett and DLew have to live up to their draft status. Pickett to me has shown flashes, DLew hasn't yet. DLew has been hurt, I'll give him that. Anxious to see how the added weight by the D Line will turn out.

              Holsey can only help. The DT's may have been the weakest position on the whole Rams squad last year.


              • #8
                Re: Some notes about Holsey

                Would Tyoka Jackson play mostly DE? [I wonder about how the L Little situation will end up for this season.] I take it Sean Moran makes starter DE.

                Holsey looks good for DT depth so far. I agree, good roster move by the Rams.



                • #9
                  Re: Some notes about Holsey

                  hey jorge, what happened to the RealRam name? That is one of the signature identities on this board, are you giving it up?

                  general counsel


                  • #10
                    Re: Some notes about Holsey

                    I think if Holsey can help the Rams,...then the Rams have the option of using Lewis as a D-end and D-tackle just as they have used T.Jackson in past seasons.If Little can't play for the Rams this season,...then the Rams should try different 4 man combination fronts to see which one can best get to the QB and stop the run also.I like the possibility of Lewis,Kennedy,Pickett and Jackson as the main front four. :ramlogo:


                    • #11
                      Re: Some notes about Holsey

                      that lacks a pass rush threat though


                      • #12
                        Re: Some notes about Holsey

                        In 2004---Little will play
                        In 2005---it's up to the legal system
                        The more things change, the more they stay the same.


                        • #13
                          RealRam to GC

                          General, no, I most definitely am not giving up RealRam. Thanks for asking.

                          What I DO need to do is get organized and update my profile information as well as keep up with the latest and greatest of what is going on here in ClanRam country.

                          GO RAMS! :ramlogo:

                          PS: Keep up the good work my friend.
                          Last edited by RealRam; -06-26-2004, 10:58 PM.


                          • #14
                            Re: Some notes about Holsey

                            Holsley was a starter on another team, which means having him at a depth positions can only lead to good things!

                            Oh wait, this has failed us before hasn't it. Jamie Duncan anybody?


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                              "I really wasn't expecting that," Holsey said. "The Rams came out of the blue on that one. I really appreciate their trust and faith in me that everything's going to work out for the best."

                              For the most part, Holsey had been a spectator during the first nine days of camp as he continued rehabilitation work on his leg. Now, it's time for Holsey to reward the Rams for that "trust and faith."

                              Thursday afternoon, defensive tackle Jimmy Kennedy was lost for 10 to 12 weeks with a fractured foot. On Friday afternoon, Holsey took part in his first full-scale practice with the Rams.

                              Kennedy wasn't going to start this season; Ryan Pickett and Damione Lewis will handle those chores. But Kennedy had shown enough to merit a spot in defensive line coach Bill Kollar's rotation.

                              "Obviously, he still had a ways to go," Kollar said. "But he was getting better and working pretty hard."

                              With Kennedy shelved for at least half the season, Holsey becomes the No. 1 candidate for the No. 3 spot at defensive tackle.

                              "To me, starting is not that important," Holsey said. "I'm here to play. And the way Coach Kollar rotates his guys, I'm going to get to play a good amount."

                              Given Lewis' injury history, Holsey could play even more than he thinks. An eight-year veteran from Duke, Holsey has played for the New York Giants, Indianapolis, New England and Washington. He has started only 33 of 104 games over that span, but started all 16 games last season for the Redskins.

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                              Other possibilities for tackle help off the bench include defensive captain Tyoka Jackson and youngsters Brian Howard, Justin Montgomery and Kevin Aldridge.

                              "Over the last couple years, Ty has really done a good job at left end for us, and we really like him out there,"
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                     wire reports

                              ST. LOUIS -- The St. Louis Rams signed veteran defensive tackle Bernard Holsey to a one-year contract on Friday and released safety Shane Walton.

                              Holsey started all 16 games for the Washington Redskins in 2003, recording 41 tackles and 2.5 sacks. In his eight-year career, he has played in 104 games, starting 36, and has 182 tackles, 8.5 sacks, one forced fumble and one fumble recovery.

                              Walton played in four games last season before being placed on injured reserved Oct. 9.
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