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    A league source tells us that complaints are swirling among NFL teams regarding the contract signed by Texans first-rounder Jason Babin.

    Per the source, Babin received a bump over "way over the normal incremental increase" as compared to his 2003 counterpart at the 27th overall pick, Chiefs running back Larry Johnson.

    As a result, the agents of the players taken at number 26 and number 28 now have ammunition for jacking up the demands for their respective clients, and the increase could have a ripple effect throughout the round.

    If Babin were the Texans' only first-round pick, the move could be characterized as a calculated effort by G.M. Charley Casserly to start a chain reaction that might squeeze the teams with picks high in the round into overpaying. But Casserly still has another pick to sign in round -- cornerback Dunta Robinson, who was taken with the 10th overall selection.

    Indeed, part of the concern is that Casserly will overpay Robinson as well, guaranteeing that the high end of round one will be thrown out of whack this year.

    Complicating matters is that the deal this year have a maximum six year term, not seven. As a result, there are less seasons over which the signing bonus can be prorated. With only a slight increase in the rookie salary pool, a spike in the across-the-board value of first-round contract will make it harder to get all of the guys signed with the dollars available.

    Babin's official numbers have not yet been reported. We're trying to get them -- but we can't find any agents who'll give us their password for the NFLPA computer system.

  • #2
    Re: Babin deal could complicate the Rams and the Rest of the league

    While this particular story may be true, I would caution that is among the least reliable sources on the Web.


    • #3
      Re: Babin deal could complicate the Rams and the Rest of the league

      agree Avenger.

      However, this money issues is interesting and would be a bold front office move by the Texans, and would make for interesting politics over the next few years concerning front office staff. I find it very interring and interesting.


      • #4
        Re: Babin deal could complicate the Rams and the Rest of the league

        Originally posted by AvengerRam
        While this particular story may be true, I would caution that is among the least reliable sources on the Web.
        Took the words out of my mouth.


        • #5
          Re: Babin deal could complicate the Rams and the Rest of the league

          What is the incentive for the Texans "overpaying" when the money these guys get tends to be slotted within a very narrow range. Did they want him in camp early that badly? Makes no business sense to me.

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            Financial details were not released, although the contract carries a five-year term with money payable over six years.

            Babin played defensive end in college. If he quickly emerges as the star outside linebacker coach Dom Capers thinks he can be, agent Tony Agnone indicated the sides probably would renegotiate after three years.

            Babin, 6-foot-2 and 260 pounds, is Western Michigan's career leader with 38 sacks and 75 tackles for loss. The Texans hope his mixture of size, speed and agility will give them the legitimate pass rushing threat they sorely lacked last season.

            Houston's defense ranked next to last in 2003 and was last against the pass, largely because the Texans put little or no pressure on quarterbacks.

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            "They broke it down really simple, really slow, explained everything to us," Babin said. "Now we're to the point we know what we're supposed to be doing."

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