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    Postons in the News

    The Postons are currently in disputes with about half a dozen NFL teams. Here are five of the teams and their disputes with the Postons.

    SAN FRANCISCO
    Linebacker Julian Peterson is franchised and headed for a holdout. The ***** are offering him the richest contract in team history, including a $15.5 million signing bonus. The Postons are reportedly seeking a $30 million bonus.

    ST. LOUIS
    Five-time Pro Bowler Orlando Pace is franchised for the second year in a row. The Postons are seeking a $27 million signing bonus and the Rams are offering a $13 million signing bonus. Pace reportedly wants to play for the Browns, who do not want to give up two No. 1 picks, the price for a franchise player. The Postons asked for a seven-year, $71 million deal for Pace. The Rams have offered a seven-year deal worth $42.5 million. Rams president of football operations Jay Zygmunt called the Postons' proposal a ransom note. "A ransom note? How can you call that a ransom note when Peyton Manning got a $98 million contract?" said Kevin Poston. "Do you really think that Peyton Manning is worth $30 million more than Orlando Pace? Orlando helped Kurt Warner become a two-time MVP. He helped Marshall Faulk become the league MVP."

    OAKLAND
    The Raiders had to franchise Pro Bowl cornerback Charles Woodson, above, and are bracing for a holdout. He reportedly wants a bigger bonus than Poston client Ty Law received in 2001 ($14.2 million) from the Patriots.

    WASHINGTON
    The Postons and LaVar Arrington say the Redskins rushed Arrington into a deal that omitted an agreed-upon $6.5 million bonus for 2006. Union chief Gene Upshaw is trying to broker a deal, but the dispute is headed to arbitration next month. "We did nothing wrong on the Arrington contract," said Kevin Poston. "What we agreed to was not ultimately in the contract. A $6.5 million bonus was missing, and they rushed LaVar to sign it so they could meet a salary-cap deadline."

    NEW ENGLAND
    Pro Bowl cornerback Ty Law, above, recently called coach Bill Belichick a liar for allegedly promising him a guaranteed amount of money and then reneging on it. He will play this year at his cap-rich number of $10 million and then the two sides could be back at it again in the off-season. "The numbers don't lie," said Law. ". . . The Postons do everything possible to get fair market value. I'm going to live and die by the Postons on and off the field."

    - Mary Kay Cabot The Plain Dealer
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    Re: Postons in the News

    Originally posted by Evil Disco Man
    Orlando helped Kurt Warner become a two-time MVP. He helped Marshall Faulk become the league MVP.
    That's horrible logic, but then again, not surprising from Poston.

    If you're going to argue that Pace deserves that kind of money, argue that he's talented or his Pro Bowl appearances. Don't argue that he helped other guys achieve glory. Last time I checked, there were five offensive lineman on the field at any given time. Pace was an intregal part of a team, but nothing more than a part, like any other player.

    I really hope these guys are run out of the business ASAP.

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    • #3
      Re: Postons in the News

      What planet are these guys from?!?!

      They embody everything that is wrong in football. They go out, recruit players with IQs that soar like school zone speed limits, and then hold teams hostage while they attempt to convince the world that their player is being mistreated. Amazing...nothing short of a disease to the league.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      • #4
        Re: Postons in the News

        The Postens are bad for the Sport, Players and the Fans, they should be run out of town... Why the hell do the players hire these two anyway.....


        steve
        "The breakfast Club":helmet:

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        • #5
          Re: Postons in the News

          The more I think bout this, I just hope that Pace sees sence and dumps these two idots!!!


          steve :ramlogo:
          "The breakfast Club":helmet:

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          • #6
            Re: Postons in the News

            The Postons sound like they are great lawyers! Correct me if I'm wrong but they seem able to get super big bucks for their players. And, I'm sure that for each buck their boys get paid, they make a percentage. It is business and it is the ugly side of football that we don't like. But, if I were a successful jock I would consider having them as my agent.

            Put yourself in Pace's shoes... Poston is asking for 27, Rams offing 13. If you could land a 20 million bonus, instead of 15, wouldn't you take it? I would. And, if I gotta play hardball with the team, to make that extra 5 or so million, why not? Pace has a ring doesn't he.... maybe now he values $ more than fame.

            What happens to Pace if his knee gets blown out? Will the team carry him with an injury? I don't think so. So then, why shouldn't he grab all the cash he can get?

            Let's face it, right or wrong, Pace's first priority is making money, his 2nd priority may be building a strong team and being the best OT he can be. But the money comes first. And that is what the Poston's are doing, and possibly doing it well.

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            • #7
              Re: Postons in the News

              Originally posted by coybacon
              Put yourself in Pace's shoes... Poston is asking for 27, Rams offing 13. If you could land a 20 million bonus, instead of 15, wouldn't you take it? I would.
              But he's not going to get 20 million. If the Poston's were being reasonable, they could have matched the Rams 13 offer with 20, they would have met around 16.....last year. The Postons aren't doing him any favors. If they had his best interests in mind, they would have got him signed last year. So instead of having a big fat 15 or 16 million in the bank, he has nothing. Will he sign this year and get his 15 or 16 million...if he's smart he will. But just because the Postons make some outlandish counter-offer (27 million) to the Rams offer (13 million), doesn't mean the agreed figure will be the middle (20 million). So instead of having his 15 or 16 million sitting in the bank drawing interest for over a year now, he has a franchise tag on his backside, and his name on the list of players stupid enough to reside in the Poston stable.

              Not exactly what I would want from an agent.
              The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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              • #8
                Re: Postons in the News

                Originally posted by coy bacon
                The Postons sound like they are great lawyers! Correct me if I'm wrong but they seem able to get super big bucks for their players. And, I'm sure that for each buck their boys get paid, they make a percentage. It is business and it is the ugly side of football that we don't like. But, if I were a successful jock I would consider having them as my agent.

                Put yourself in Pace's shoes... Poston is asking for 27, Rams offing 13. If you could land a 20 million bonus, instead of 15, wouldn't you take it? I would. And, if I gotta play hardball with the team, to make that extra 5 or so million, why not? Pace has a ring doesn't he.... maybe now he values $ more than fame.

                What happens to Pace if his knee gets blown out? Will the team carry him with an injury? I don't think so. So then, why shouldn't he grab all the cash he can get?

                Let's face it, right or wrong, Pace's first priority is making money, his 2nd priority may be building a strong team and being the best OT he can be. But the money comes first. And that is what the Poston's are doing, and possibly doing it well.
                You don't have to be a horse's ass to be a good, reputable agent. I may be wrong, but I can't recall a football agent as repugnant as these two.

                As for your question about why shouldn't he grab all the cash he can--ask Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Marshall Faulk. All super stars on this team, who didn't grab all the cash they could. That attitude benefited the team and their teammates. I'm not being idealistic, but that's the truth. These and plenty of other players throughout the league have had good, reputable agents who've gotten good reasonable deals for their clients, and played hardball when necessary, without sullying their reputations. Leigh Steinberg is reputable, has represented top tier athletes for many years, and is a solid negotiator. He plays hardball when he has to, but there's a right way to do that, and it takes tact and skill. I guess the Postons were absent from class that day.

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                • #9
                  Re: Postons in the News

                  I don't think this has much to do with anything. Pace hates training camp, the Rams know it.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Postons in the News

                    Originally posted by ramfaninpgh
                    As for your question about why shouldn't he grab all the cash he can--ask Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Marshall Faulk. All super stars on this team, who didn't grab all the cash they could. That attitude benefited the team and their teammates
                    I hear what you're saying. But, what if the player wants to benefit himself and make the team his 2nd priority? Didn't Warner restructure his contract for the benefit of the team to make the salary cap? In retrospec I wonder if Warner would do it over again. I am not sure, but somehow I think he ended up losing money in the whole deal. If's that the case, can anyone blame anyone else for going for the money? I don't. The Rams are not a family, they are a business. Sad but true.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Postons in the News

                      Originally posted by coybacon
                      If's that the case, can anyone blame anyone else for going for the money?
                      Pace has lost money, due to being a Poston client.
                      I repeat, Pace has lost money, due to being a Poston client.

                      As I said earlier,
                      Originally posted by HUbison
                      If the Poston's were being reasonable, they could have matched the Rams 13 offer with 20, they would have met around 16.....last year. The Postons aren't doing him any favors. If they had his best interests in mind, they would have got him signed last year. So instead of having a big fat 15 or 16 million in the bank, he has nothing.
                      If he wants to "go for the money", dump the Postons.
                      If he wants to "be a team player", dump the Postons.
                      If he wants to continue to be counted among the illiterate throng that buy into the Poston propaganda, keep the Postons.

                      For the record, none of this will get him into McComb any earlier. Big boy don't wanna sweat.
                      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Postons in the News

                        Originally posted by coy bacon
                        I hear what you're saying. But, what if the player wants to benefit himself and make the team his 2nd priority? Didn't Warner restructure his contract for the benefit of the team to make the salary cap? In retrospec I wonder if Warner would do it over again. I am not sure, but somehow I think he ended up losing money in the whole deal. If's that the case, can anyone blame anyone else for going for the money? I don't. The Rams are not a family, they are a business. Sad but true.
                        Indeed it is a business. But this isn't "business as usual". I don't know how much money Pace has earned so far in his career. But with each contract he has signed so far, he has benefitted immensly. He's not living paycheck to paycheck. As it stands right at this moment, he wants for nothing. And if he never played another down due to injury or whatever, if he's wise with what he has socked away, he and his family will want for nothing for the rest of his life. The same with Warner and his restructured contract. You say Warner (may have) lost money on the deal. I don't see it as "lost money" in the sense that I think you mean it. It's simply more money that he could have earned, which isn't the same thing. It's not like it was in the bank and the Rams asked him to give it back. Then too, in Warner's case, he got a $6M roster bonus last season. Six milion dollars just to be on the roster. For one season. And there was a salary on top of that. Do I feel sorry for him? No way.

                        What if the team decides to make Pace's over zealous pursuit of the money a second priority and the financial health of the team it's first priority? Pace sits at home with no contract and no football this season and the Rams find someone to fill the spot. Doesn't help either side.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Postons in the News

                          Originally posted by coy bacon
                          What happens to Pace if his knee gets blown out? Will the team carry him with an injury? I don't think so. So then, why shouldn't he grab all the cash he can get?
                          That sounds like support for signing a long-term deal and getting some guaranteed bonus money rather than holding out and signing a franchise tender that carries no bonus.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Postons in the News

                            I can see guys being represented by these guys dropping in the draft. That's something that has happened in baseball with guys dropping because they have bad representation.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Postons in the News

                              Originally posted by DJRamFan
                              I can see guys being represented by these guys dropping in the draft. That's something that has happened in baseball with guys dropping because they have bad representation.
                              Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there speculation that this is why EJ Henderson fell to the 2nd round last year?
                              The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                              • RamDez
                                the Poston saga continues
                                by RamDez
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                                Now, with Winslow nursing a broken leg that could cause him not to meet the play-time trigger for his $5.367 million incentive payment that was considered to be part of his guaranteed money, the Postons are being criticized for their failure to include language in the contract that would have prompted this "falling off of the log" incentive to roll over into future years.

                                "It's mind boggling that they're still in business," one league insider told us on Thursday.

                                They might not be in business for much longer. With Rams left tackle Orlando Pace firing the Postons last month and two other high-profile clients (Julian Peterson and Charles Woodson) signing franchise tenders after failing to work out long-term deals, some folks around the league believe that the remaining stable of Postons clients eventually will scatter.

                                -Pro Football Talk

                                -09-24-2004, 10:09 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Contract season puts Postons into play
                                by RamWraith

                                Contract season puts Postons into play
                                Howard Balzer writes for Sports Weekly, email him at [email protected]

                                Around several NFL precincts this summer, it could very well be considered the summer of the Postons.
                                Rather than talking about possible Super Bowls, who's looking good in training camp and just simple football talk, contract negotiations promise to take center stage.

                                With July 15 here and the opening of camps within the next two weeks, fans will be reading way too much about contract issues but most notably those involving agents Carl and Kevin Poston in ...

                                • Cleveland, Jacksonville and Carolina, where they represent tight end Kellen Winslow Jr., the seventh overall selection in April's draft, as well as wide receiver Reggie Williams (ninth overall) and cornerback Chris Gamble (28th overall);

                                • Oakland, St. Louis and San Francisco, where three of the league's five unsigned franchise players play: cornerback Charles Woodson, tackle Orlando Pace and linebacker Julian Peterson. All have the Postons as their agent;

                                • Washington, where a grievance is expected to be heard in August regarding a $6.5 million roster bonus allegedly not included by the Redskins last December in a renegotiated contract for linebacker LaVar Arrington. Yes, Arrington is also represented by Carl Poston.

                                The Winslow contract should be the least difficult, along with Williams and Gamble, considering that first-round picks are slotted according to where they are selected in the round. The Postons might try to claim that Winslow was rated No. 1 on some team's draft boards, but that argument is essentially one-sided. First, he wasn't picked No. 1, and second, when was the last time we heard an agent say he would accept less for a player because he was selected higher than expected? Next question.

                                Where many of the contract stalemates occur is on a player's second contract and when that player has excelled at a high level. That's where the Postons' demands enter the stratosphere and make it near impossible for a team to negotiate.

                                After the Rams received a $71 million proposal for Pace in March that included a $27 million signing bonus and another $7 million in guaranteed money (almost as much guaranteed money as the Colts gave quarterback Peyton Manning), president of football operations Jay Zygmunt said: "It's just a waste of time dealing with him (Carl). It makes no sense. Anyone can ask for anything; that's easy to do. Why not ask for a billion dollars? It wouldn't matter."

                                Zygmunt noted how often the situations put the player at odds with the team.

                                Look no further than the relationship between cornerback Ty Law, another Poston client, and the Patriots during the offseason.

                                When either of the Postons talk to the media, which is rare (and they did not return a phone call...
                                -07-15-2004, 02:46 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Pace to be traded...Balzer
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                                Thought you all might like the info...

                                Balzer stated yesterday on 1380 that from what he has found out that he thinks Pace is going to be traded.

                                Pace's agents, while not asking for Poston money, are looking for a deal that is structured very similar to the deal that Walter Jones just signed. The problem with the deal is not the signing bonus but the amount of guaranteed money and high base salary that Jones has in the first couple of years in his new deal. Apparently the size of the deal will kill the Rams' cap situation next year (anticipating Turley dead money) and they are unable to give him that deal.


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                                -03-12-2005, 08:01 AM
                              • Nick
                                Houston makes offer to Pace - PD
                                by Nick
                                Houston makes an offer to Pace
                                By Jim Thomas
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                03/14/2005

                                Not all the "i's" are dotted, or "t's" crossed. But offensive tackle Orlando Pace has a contract offer from the Houston Texans, and according to sources familiar with the negotiations, it's one that is preferable to the current contract on the table from the Rams.

                                So what happens next?

                                "The ball is really in St. Louis' court as far as what they want to do, and the decision they want to make," Pace told the Houston Chronicle on Monday during his visit with Texans officials. "We'll see here in the next 24 hours or so."

                                The Rams have until 3 p.m. Wednesday to sign Pace to a multi-year contract offer. At that point, a four-month negotiating blackout begins for the Rams and Pace. And that would mean another spring without Pace attending the team's offseason conditioning program - which starts March 21 - no minicamps and no training camp for the third consecutive year.

                                Pace characterized negotiations with the Rams as being "at a standstill."

                                Pace added: "This is typical of what has gone on for the past couple of years for me as far as being franchised. You're trying to get through that, and you really want security and a long-term deal and those types of things. ... I don't know if things are going to be resolved."

                                Things are at a standstill largely because the Rams' latest offer - they submitted a revised proposal to Pace's agents Monday morning - doesn't match the Walter Jones contract in guaranteed money and money paid out in the first three years of the contract.

                                Jones, the offensive tackle for Seattle, re-signed with the Seahawks before the start of the free agency period. Most NFL scouts, coaches and personnel men will tell you Jones and Pace are comparable players. Jones is more consistent, but Pace is more athletic.

                                Jones signed a seven-year, $52.5 million contract that included a $16 million signing bonus. The Rams' latest offer to Pace is believed to be $51 million with a $15 million signing bonus.

                                So the Rams are very much in the ballpark of the Jones contract, both in terms of signing bonus and overall money. But that's not the problem.

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                                $5.7 million in base salary.

                                $5 million in roster bonuses: a $2 million roster bonus due in March of 2006; and a $3 million roster bonus due in March of 2007.

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                                -03-14-2005, 11:41 PM
                              • Nick
                                PFT: Postons will want paid
                                by Nick
                                POSTONS WILL WANT TO GET PAID

                                Notwithstanding all the ass clapping in the NFL community about the Poston brothers losing their star client Orlando Pace of the Rams, don't think the Hard Ass brothers will not tried to get paid their fee incident to Pace recently signing -- listing himself as his agent -- the $7.02 million franchise tender offer with the Rams. In a article written by Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the suggestion is made that Pace could have saved himself almost $210,000 in agent fees (if the Postons charged him the maximum NFLPA-allowed fee of 3%) by sh-t canning the Torture Brothers before signing his new contract.

                                We hear, however, that if Pace does not pay, the Postons will most likely attempt to recover their fee from The Mammoth One (or as much as they can get) via the grievance process promulgated by NFLPA regulations -- their argument primarily being that the signature by Pace on the contract sans agent was merely a formality and a byproduct of the ongoing negotiation process (is asking for a $27 million signing bonus negotiation or hallucination?), thereby entitling the Postons to their fee.

                                In fact, this strategy can be confirmed by recent statements of Carl Poston, which he stated: "'I've encouraged him to come in. I've instructed him to sign the one-year tender. But I can't make the big fellow come in. He's frustrated with the team.'''

                                Our prediction: Pace doesn't pay. Postons file a grievance. Pace and Postons eventually settle. It will interesting to see if the Brothers Harsh will be as tough in getting their own fee as they are in trying to get dough for their clients.
                                -09-17-2004, 06:31 PM
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