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    posibility ?

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    Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

    I wouldn't do it.

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    • #3
      Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

      Well mix the threads ... but no matter .... To my mind we are in bigger need of DL help especially at RE. Arlen Harris proved he adds depth at RB, Gordon hasn't proven he can stay healthy long enough to be an impact player. Jackson, I will bet will move up the food chain quickly because of his willingness to block. So move Gordon now while his "stock is higher". I'm not sure that Miami would see Gordon as a suitable Williams replacement but I'd try and package Gordon to Miami for Olyguwandye-however-you-spell-his-name. He may have contract issues, but I'd take the chance in ironing them out ... especially since the DL is still a big issue regardless of how many journeyment have been picked up.

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      • #4
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        What are the contract issues with him, anyone know? can we get him inside our cap?

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        • #5
          Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

          Right now, the rams have too much depth at RB, off the top of my head i can;t think of anyone else with this much depth. I agree that Gordon isn't exactly the ideal replacement for Williams in Miami, but there is a lot of sense in the rams trying to uffoad him i.e it is questionable whether he is #3 or 4 on the depth chart.. and Miami must be desperate... if we can get something in return, all the better..

          Maybe we can package Little(the retarded one)/Gordon for Olyguwandye/draft pick.

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          • #6
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            Cap wise, we are very, very tight. The only way I can see fitting a big salary is if we Sign the Big Man and reduce his $7 mill cap number.

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            • #7
              Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

              Originally posted by RamDez
              What are the contract issues with him, anyone know? can we get him inside our cap?

              Pasquerlli summarized this today about Ogunleye: "A restricted free agent, Ogunleye was granted the "high level" qualifying offer of $1.824 million by the Dolphins in February, a move that provided the team the right to match any offer he receives from another team. From the outset, however, Ogunleye has been seeking a long-term deal commensurate to those signed by other high-profile ends. When he did not sign the Miami qualifying offer by mid-April, the Dolphins, per their rights in the collective bargaining agreement, reduced their offer to $455,000.

              That's where things have remained and, until Sunday and the new-found optimism that Rosenhaus expressed, the agent had been employing the term "impasse" to describe the state of negotiations.

              Of course, the Dolphins could sign Ogunleye to a long-term deal, and then trade him for tailback help. But as of Sunday afternoon, Spielman had not contacted Rosenhaus about resuming negotiations. Nor had he granted Rosenhaus permission to discuss a contract with another team as a precursor to a trade.

              Ogunleye, 26, began to mature as a player in 2002, when he notched 9˝ sacks, and then followed up that performance with 15 sacks last season. Some critics have contended he lacks the upfield explosiveness and closing speed of most pure pass rushers, but his sack numbers suggest he knows how to attack the pocket."

              Getting him under the cap would be the issue ... considering signing bonus is probably high on his list. Which means cooperation from Pace and others maybe ... depending again on how people are willing to structure payments ....

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              • #8
                Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                With Miami losing Williams, their defense will have to carry the team. This makes signing Ogunleye imperative to the Dolphins. I would think.....

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                • #9
                  Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                  Originally posted by adarian_too
                  Arlen Harris proved he adds depth at RB, Gordon hasn't proven he can stay healthy long enough to be an impact player. Jackson, I will bet will move up the food chain quickly because of his willingness to block.
                  It's all a gamble though. By trading Gordon, this is what we're left with on the depth chart:

                  1) Marshall Faulk (who hasn't played a full season since 1999, so you can expect him to miss at least some time)
                  2) Arlen Harris (who is learning a new position this season and would probably have trouble switching back and forth, especially as a younger inexperienced player)
                  3) Steven Jackson (a rookie who hasn't played a down of NFL football and is questionable at how fast he'll learn the offense)

                  Frankly, while Gordon has never impressed me, I'm not high on trying to get rid of him considering the inexperience and question marks surrounding Arlen "I'm a FB now" Harris and Steven Jackson, who is already behind from the CBA rules.



                  Originally posted by elAcky
                  Right now, the rams have too much depth at RB, off the top of my head i can;t think of anyone else with this much depth.
                  I would say teams like Carolina, Minnesota, and Denver have better depth than we do. I think you could make a case for the Redskins as well.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                    Maybe we could trade Gordon for St. Clair & Wilkins (that's a joke)

                    Or how about Gordon for Zgonina (that's not a joke)

                    then there's Gordon for Carey (I don't see that as a joke, but I believe Spielman would)

                    Anyway, Nick is right...
                    Originally posted by NickSeiler
                    I would say teams like Carolina, Minnesota, and Denver have better depth than we do. I think you could make a case for the Redskins as well.
                    They'll do a deal with Oakland for Wheatley or Zeroroue or Hambrick. Anybody but Vargas.
                    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                      Personally, I don't see Miami making any deal right now. They have Travis Minor and they signed Sammy Morris to come in and add depth behind Ricky this season. Minor has shown flashes of being a good player, although not in the exact mold as Ricky, and Morris makes a good short yardage back. The Dolphins also hired quarterbacks coach Marc Trestman in January, and rumor has it the Dolphins will be going with the same strategy Trestman used with the Raiders the last three years: a short high percentage passing game (this according to PFT).

                      I'm just not sure why the Dolphins would want to make a deal for Lamar Gordon when they could find equally mediocre talent in the free agent market.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                        If the Miami front office is smart, they won't be making any deals right now. If they make a deal now, the asking price of teams is going to be huge since it seems they are panicking. If they can wait 2 or 3 weeks, they might find a better deal on someone like the highly discussed names of Anthony Thomas, Onterrio Smith, or whoever Oakland ends up cutting.

                        What's that mean for the Rams? Perhaps it'll give us time to sign Pace long-term, and if Miami is left with no other option, maybe Gordon for Ogunleye isn't too far out of the question.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                          Interestingly enough, does anyone remember back before the Dolphins got Williams, Ricky wasn't the only back in the mix to head south. Edgerrin James also expressed an interest in heading toward Miami at the time, and Edge's contract with the Colts is up after this season. Perhaps the Dolphins ride Travis Minor this season and try and make a FA move on James this coming spring, or perhaps the Colts make an offer to Miami in order to get something in return for Edge before he hits the market.

                          Regardless, if the Dolphins wanted to trade, there are a number of candidates out there better than Gordon. Furthermore, I tend to agree that the Dolphins won't try to move Ogun considering that their team is going to have to rely on the defense even more now that their offensive playmaker is gone.
                          Last edited by Nick; -07-26-2004, 10:30 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                            If the Miami front office is smart, they won't be making any deals right now. If they make a deal now, the asking price of teams is going to be huge since it seems they are panicking. If they can wait 2 or 3 weeks, they might find a better deal on someone like the highly discussed names of Anthony Thomas, Onterrio Smith, or whoever Oakland ends up cutting.

                            What's that mean for the Rams? Perhaps it'll give us time to sign Pace long-term, and if Miami is left with no other option, maybe Gordon for Ogunleye isn't too far out of the question.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Lamar Gordon to Miami

                              Originally posted by NickSeiler
                              I'm just not sure why the Dolphins would want to make a deal for Lamar Gordon when they could find equally mediocre talent in the free agent market.

                              Now that was well said.

                              It's just wishful thinking on my part to find a way to get Ogunleye ... Williams cuttin' back against the grain just fueled the Hookah again ... the stone will wear off soon enough ... especially when people keep droppin' reality into the fire ...

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                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Showcase of Gordon Paid Off
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                I'll admit... I'm surprised.

                                I would not have guessed that the Rams would have been able to acquire a 3rd Round pick for Gordon.

                                Not that Gordon doesn't have potential. He could prove to be a 1,000 yard back for the Dolphins.

                                But with the Rams, he was a third string back with only moderate production in the past and a recent surgery.

                                So how did the Rams get such a high price for him?

                                Obviously, part of the reason is the Dolphins' deperate need for a back after Ricky Williams decided that the grass at Pro Player Stadium does not compare to the kind you buy in Amsterdam.

                                But the Rams also played this one very well.

                                First, Martz publicly chastised himself for suggesting that Gordon was soft after it was revealed that Lamar needed surgery to remove a bone chip. While I believe that was a sincere expression of regret by Martz, he also made sure that other teams heard his confession.

                                Then, in the final preseason game, Gordon was deliberately showcased, as he was given the ball 24 times (22 carries, 2 receptions). He showed productivity and the ability to be a workhorse - and the Dolphins paid a higher than market value price because of this.

                                While the Rams could regret the trade this year if the injury bug hits, in the long run, this should be a good trade for the Rams (and, for Lamar's sake, hopefully for the Dolphins as well).
                                -09-08-2004, 08:41 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Dolphins trade for Rams' RB Lamar Gordon
                                by RamWraith
                                By JASON COLE

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                                The Dolphins completed a trade with St. Louis late Tuesday night to acquire running back Lamar Gordon in an attempt to upgrade their sagging running game.

                                According to an NFL source, the Dolphins made the move after several days of talks with the Rams and other teams. The Dolphins likely had to pay a steep price of either a third- or fourth-round pick for Gordon, but get a player they have liked for several years.

                                The deal is contingent upon Gordon passing a physical today. He left St. Louis early Wednesday morning. Gordon was a third-round pick in 2002 from North Dakota State and the Dolphins were considering him that year before completing a trade for Ricky Williams.

                                The 6-foot-1, 228-pound Gordon has played sparingly behind St. Louis star running back Marshall Faulk, rushing 136 times for 526 yards over his two seasons. He fell further on the depth chart with the Rams after the team took running back Steven Jackson in the first round this season, but St. Louis was reluctant to give him up because of fears that Faulk will breakdown physically.

                                Gordon, who is expected to take over for the combination of Travis Minor, Sammy Morris and Leonard Henry, has two years remaining on his contract at the league minimum salary.
                                -09-08-2004, 09:39 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Gordon on the Mend
                                by RamWraith
                                riday, August 27, 2004

                                By Nick Wagoner
                                Staff Writer

                                There has been no shortage of injuries to Rams’ running backs in the past few years. From the knee problems of Marshall Faulk to Arlen Harris’ slight concussion, the injuries have ranged from serious to minor. Lamar Gordon is no different from his backfield mates.

                                The only difference between Gordon and the other running backs is Gordon knew he was injured, but nobody else seemed to understand. Gordon complained about sharp pain in his left ankle for the better part of the past few years. He estimates that he has felt the pain since his junior year of college and had the foot looked at countless times.

                                A few weeks ago, the doctors finally found what Gordon knew was there all along. Gordon had what coach Mike Martz described as “chips” in his ankle that were almost undetectable. On Aug. 10, Gordon had surgery on the ankle at Barnes-Jewish West County Hospital in St. Louis.

                                Now that Gordon has had surgery on his left foot, he is back running and edging closer to being able to play in St. Louis’ season opener against Arizona on Sept. 12. His expected recovery time was about four weeks, but Gordon seems to be progressing slightly ahead of the curve. “It feels good to really feel no pain right now,” Gordon said. “I could always feel it, but sometimes it just swelled up too bad. I know the difference between that pain and a simple cut that has to heal and that pain was gone.”

                                Gordon ran for the first time on Wednesday and felt good enough after that session to run again Thursday afternoon. Gordon first had his foot looked at in college at North Dakota State, but had it checked numerous times, including at the combine. The injury did not show up in any of those checks and Gordon performed well enough for the Rams to draft him in the third round of the 2002 draft.

                                Gordon said it was exasperating to know he was injured, but none of the tests confirming his pain.

                                “It was so frustrating because I know my body,” Gordon said. “I have played football for a long time, I know when something’s sore, I know when’s something hurt, but I know from watching film if something is going to be bothering me.”

                                Martz had his doubts about the injury, but had no way of knowing that Gordon was hurt because he couldn’t see the injury on an X-Ray and couldn’t physically feel the pain. Martz publicly apologized to Gordon after he found out the injury was real.

                                Gordon said Martz didn’t owe him anything, but it was nice to hear the coach do it anyway.

                                “I guess it was cool,” Gordon said. “I never really thought about it like that. A lot of people asked me ‘We’re you like I told you so?’ I wasn’t really like that. I was just happy that they found it and I’m excited to get back.”

                                INJURY UPDATES: There was little change on the injury front at Thursday’s...
                                -08-27-2004, 10:35 AM
                              • Nick
                                CLAYTON: Ricky who? Miami close to acquiring Gordon
                                by Nick
                                Rams likely to receive third round pick
                                By John Clayton
                                ESPN.com

                                The Miami Dolphins appear to have ended their summer-long search for a replacement for Ricky Williams. They are close to reaching a trade agreement with the St. Louis Rams to acquire halfback Lamar Gordon.

                                The Rams didn't want to trade Gordon, so the cost is likely going to be high. To get Gordon, the Dolphins may have to give up as much as a third-round draft pick, but they have the luxury of having acquired an extra third-round choice from the Bears in the Marty Booker-Adewale Ogunleye trade.

                                But the price of a third-round pick could be cheap in comparison if Gordon can take over the starting halfback job. Gordon is a 6-1, 228-pound back who runs quick to the line of scrimmage and is tough to tackle.

                                He had nine starts in two years filling in for Marshall Faulk. During those games, he's rushed for 526 yards and had a career 3.9 yard rushing average. A former third-round choice out of North Dakota State, Gordon has shown the durability to handle more than 20 carries in a game.

                                With Faulk and Stephen Jackson ahead of him in St. Louis, Gordon wasn't going to be too active in the Rams' running game this year. The Dolphins had targeted Gordon and Anthony Thomas of the Chicago Bears, and were willing to give up a third-round choice for Thomas.

                                In Gordon, the Dolphins believe they get a back with more explosion than Thomas. The potential trade comes after coach Dave Wannstedt named Travis Minor as the starting halfback but also said that Sammy Morris would get some action.

                                For the past few days, the Rams were slow in returning calls to the Dolphins because they wanted to keep Gordon as an insurance policy for the future. The Rams told the Dolphins it would be pricey to acquire him. Unfortunately for the Dolphins, the Rams wouldn't give the Dolphins a price.

                                On Tuesday night, negotiations heated up to the point where the Dolphins were confident a deal could be completed by Wednesday morning. Gordon first would have to meet with coach Mike Martz and the final details of the trade had to be work out.

                                Gordon had ankle surgery early in training camp, but came back in three weeks and had 22 carries for 77 yards against the Raiders in the final preseason game.

                                Once the trade is completed, the Dolphins will feel as though they acquired two offensive starters -- Booker and Smith -- for Ogunleye.


                                John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
                                -09-07-2004, 11:46 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Gordo Post Game Chat
                                by RamWraith
                                Sunday, September 7, 2008 03:15 PM CDT

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                                Francisco Prado: Gordo, Finally the regular season is here! Last season was one of the worst and I couldn't stand seeing this team weekly underachieve and getting their tail whipped. The only other worst season that topped last year was in 1991,(3-13) where the talent was not there thanks to those bad draft picks (remember there was no free agency yet), as a result of the Eric Dickerson trade. Gordo, in my opinion the best move the Rams made in the offseason was hiring Billy Devaney! Finally we have a true football executive instead of Jay Zygmunt or John Shaw. Look at the draft pool of this year.They can be contributors this year or in the near future.
                                Jeff Gordon: This optimistic post arrived before the game started, obviously. We'll see if Devaney can make a difference. There is much to do.
                                BillBored: Atogwe?
                                Jeff Gordon: MIA
                                Random_Access_Me: This is a team that has had half of July and all of August, 4 pre-season games, countless mini-camps, and an entire off-season to prepare.

                                What did they prepare for?

                                The Rams are totally unprepared to be playing and yes the Eagles are a good team but if you are really watching then you can see that the O-Line is not only out-of-sync but out-manned and unwilling to put forth much effort. The defense is totally inferior with skill or physical ability to stop the Eagles, the Eagles stopped themselves once and I attribute this to early season woes even a college team faces when you know you are so much better that the game will be easy and you let up too soon.

                                Linehan has made it clear beyond clear that he he is incapable of fielding a team that is willing to play for him and everything just degenerates down from this part - this is the Scrambled Eggs crew and what an incompetent head coach achieves through a total lack of ability to produce some kind recipe that a menu advertises. It's embarrassing, ridiculous, and it points a finger directly at the organization in regards to their thoughts that this man is a capable head coach.
                                Jeff Gordon: Can't argue. This sort of loss -- so one-sided, right from the start - reflects poorly on the head coach. It just does. Can he rally the operation after something this bad? Few believe he can, but I expect him to get that chance.
                                RWC: This team is lost. Linehan is over his head. Responsibility is with the head coach. every phase of the game; offense, defense and special teams are playing way below their potential.
                                Sign Bill Cowher now
                                Jeff Gordon: Nice sentiment, but I don't see Cowher leaving the good life for this challenge. Something better will come up for him.
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