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    Martz doesn't believe spying charges

    By Mike Klis
    The Denver Post
    Article Last Updated: 02/21/2008

    INDIANAPOLIS — If it matters, Mike Martz doesn't believe the New England Patriots spied on his walkthrough practice prior on the eve of Super Bowl XXXVI.

    Interested in the investigation. But not yet convinced he was one of the NFL's most notorious victims.

    Martz was head coach of the St. Louis Rams, the juggernaut of the 2001 season that was shocked by the heavily underdog Patriots, 20-17.

    "Maybe it helped them, maybe it didn't," Martz said Thursday at the NFL Scouting Combine he is attending as the San Francisco *****' new offensive coordinator. "But you'll never be able to measure that if they did do that. You're assuming they did that and I choose to believe they didn't do that."

    The Pats won two more Super Bowls, but have since been caught illegally videotaping opposing coaches' signals by the league. While that transgression cost the Patriots and coach Bill Belichick a combined $1.25 million in fines and a first-round draft pick, a more damaging accusation could be a Boston Herald report that the Pats illegally taped the Rams' final walkthrough before their Super Bowl meeting.

    The league is negotiating with Matt Walsh, who formerly worked in the Pats' video department until he was fired in 2003. The league wants to know if the Rams' walkthrough was taped, if it was Walsh who taped it, and if he still has that tape.

    "Of course, I'm interested," Martz said. "I was involved in that. It was my responsibility. I was responsible for a lot of people in that game. I am interested. But I'm going to assume it's totally false. Until they prove otherwise, there's not much to talk about."
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      Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

      Is that maturity and humility I hear in Mad Mike's tone? I could swear it was but isn't he portrayed as the poster child for arrogance?
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        • #3
          Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

          Mike Martz being diplomatic?!!!

          Didn't he say that during SUPERBOWL XXXVI they were drawing up redzone plays on the sidelines because they felt the Pats knew what we were doing??:x
          Last edited by laram0; -02-22-2008, 08:46 AM.
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              Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

              Originally posted by txramsfan
              Is that maturity and humility I hear in Mad Mike's tone? I could swear it was but isn't he portrayed as the poster child for arrogance?
              He must know he's on double secret probation with the whiners.

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                  Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

                  i think Martz like with D.V before him are just trying to keep out of things and let the NFL deal with it,when in private their opinion may be very different!

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                    • #6
                      Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

                      In a way, the man's being reasonable. He's assuming its not true, but he's not saying it DIDN'T happen.

                      I hate that Pats, and I'm more than sure those idiots cheated.

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                        • #7
                          Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

                          Either he's trying to hurt us more now that he is a niner...

                          or...

                          he said the exact right thing to keep him out of trouble:
                          "Of course, I'm interested," Martz said. "I was involved in that. It was my responsibility. I was responsible for a lot of people in that game. I am interested. But I'm going to assume it's totally false. Until they prove otherwise, there's not much to talk about."

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                              Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

                              Originally posted by TXramsfan
                              Is that maturity and humility I hear in Mad Mike's tone? I could swear it was but isn't he portrayed as the poster child for arrogance?

                              Good one, amigo! :bash: Rep points.

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                                • #9
                                  Re: Martz doesn't believe spying charges

                                  Originally posted by txramsfan
                                  Is that maturity and humility I hear in Mad Mike's tone? I could swear it was but isn't he portrayed as the poster child for arrogance?
                                  Hmm, let's see here.....how will the haters spin this one? Hmm.....okay, how about this one:

                                  Martz' ego won't let him admit the Pats' taping mattered because he....er, that is they......I mean, his ego....; crap, I got nothing. But I have faith the haters will find a way to blame Martz for this.
                                  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                                    • Nick
                                      A question about the Patriots, Martz, and 2001...
                                      by Nick
                                      In 2001, the majority of people going into Super Bowl XXXVI thought that the Rams were the better team by far. Even after the Patriots kicked their timeless field goal to squeek out a win, some still believe the 2001 Rams were the better unit. The Rams were heavily favored to take the title, and did not, and I've read many opinions that, when listing the negatives of Mike Martz, include that he got outcoached by Bill Belichick in that game and might have cost the Rams the title.

                                      Since then, the Patriots have gone 37-11 including setting a record for consectutive wins, another Super Bowl title for the 2003-2004 season, and a subsequent Super Bowl appearance in 2004-2005 that might become a third championship in four years. They are considered the closest thing to a dynasty in modern professional football. In the playoffs over his career, Belichick is 9-1, tying a post-season record held by Vince Lombardi, according to a stat displayed on CBS. With a win on the 6th, he would surpass Lombardi - all this in an era of parody where the salary cap forces teams to lose star players.

                                      So with all that in the back of your head, does the success of the Patriots organization under Belichick make you rethink how much blame Martz should shoulder for being outcoached in a close Super Bowl match-up? Do you still feel that second year head coach Mike Martz, with one of the most prolific offensive units in NFL history at his side, should have taken down a man that some consider to be one of the greatest coaches in the modern era of football? Or, in hindsight, do you feel like some of the blame should be removed from Martz's shoulders because of how successful Belichick and the Patriots have been?

                                      I'm interested to see where people stand. I know there are some people who really feel Martz was the major reason the 2001 Rams didn't win the Super Bowl because of his coaching decisions, but I wonder if, in the last few seasons, we've come to see that outcoaching Bill Belichick in the playoffs is no easy task for any NFL head coach.

                                      And this question isn't one that's forcing you to say Martz either takes blame or he doesn't, but rather asks if you blame him less knowing now what the Patriots are.
                                      -01-23-2005, 11:07 PM
                                    • sbramfan
                                      When Mike Martz Jumped the Shark....
                                      by sbramfan
                                      Now I know that the majority of us here wished that Mike Martz would have fixed the special teams and the defense and kept his job, and even though he was apparently fired for his issues with the FO, in my mind, there was a coaching turning point as well...


                                      The Rams were 4-3 last year heading into the bye. Mike Martz had an extra week to prepare for the coach that had out-coached him in the Superbowl. The Rams had the Patriots at home. They came out flat, and with a terrible game plan. I don't even remember the exact play, but at some point the Rams called a trick play that didn't fool anyone, and they were already losing big time. It made me sick. This was Martz' big payback for the Superbowl loss? The Pats put up 40 points that day and was a terrible loss at home.

                                      I also believe the players got the bye week off and recall being frustrated with that as well. As if they were still the team that was rolling over people and deserved the time off, when they should have been practicing in pads to learn how to tackle that week...
                                      -01-10-2006, 01:26 AM
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                                      Martz Has To Go.... PERIOD!!!!!
                                      by Guest
                                      I know there are alot of Martz fans here, but he has to go. it is his responsibility to get his team ready for each game and he clearly didn't get the job done.

                                      he had 2 weeks to prepare for this game and the Patriots were descimated in the secondary. this should have been a big win. instead it is a big loss.

                                      I've heard all the arguements that this team does not have the talent on the defensive side of the ball or the offensive line. but you can't tell me if Belichek was coaching this team that he would be getting the most out of this team and they would be winning.

                                      the Patriots don't have superstars on their team. can you even name an offensive lineman on the Patriots? exactly my point. no real superstars but dominating the NFL.

                                      Belichek chould turn this team around with the same personel. no doubt about it. Martz has not made the most of his tenure and that is why it is time for him to go.

                                      now, will the Rmas actually fire him? NO!!!!! they will blame it on the defense and fire Marmie and Martz will skate by again.

                                      sorry Martz fans and supporters, but you know I am right about this.

                                      if another coach could make winners out of the dame personel and the coach you have can't, it's time to fire the coach.
                                      -11-07-2004, 07:49 PM
                                    • Curly Horns
                                      The media created myth of SB36
                                      by Curly Horns
                                      The media crucified Martz after SB36. Martz was the scapegoat for their inept analysis and belichick was made out the genius. Many fans jumped on this bandwaggon and are still riding it today.

                                      This is the same media that never mentioned the officiating at all. Not a word - Not a peep. NOTHING!! And yet fans buy into their crap about Martz being out coached. It's preposterous to say the least.

                                      For those fans who do not know the game and who have seemingly forgot the events leading up to and the game itself; let's recap.

                                      The Rams and patriots played during the regular season at Foxborro. The Rams prevailed but it was a close game.

                                      The oddsmakers inflated the odds and made the Rams a huge favorite before the start of SB36. This was done to increase the amount of wagering. The Rams were not as big of favorite as the oddsmakers made them out to be. The oddsmakers were simply trying to increase the volume of wagers.

                                      Leading up to the game Martz said that he thought the game would be close. He indicated that belichick was the brightest defensive mind in the game. He stated that the belichick coached defense would be and had been the Rams offense's toughest test.

                                      Not many seem to remember these comments from Martz. The stage was set by the brightest offensive mind giving the brightest defensive mind his due and stating it would be a close hard fought game.

                                      There was no posturing by Martz that his team was vastly superior to the pats. That existed only in the minds of fans and much of the media.

                                      Well as we all know the game was close. Very close. Certainly the belichick defense was well schooled in playing on the edge of the rules and the officials were intent on letting them play their game.

                                      Martz stayed true to his form. He was an aggressive play caller who went with the pass first philosophy. Attack, attack and attack again. This was Mike Martz and this was his Rams team. Running against the pats defense was at a premium, just as it still is today.

                                      The Rams made some mistakes during the course of the game and Wilkins missed a FG. Asside from the mistakes and the poor officiating, via the non-calls, against the pats defense, the game boiled down to the pats final drive.

                                      Redmond did not get out of bounds, to stop the clock, but the refs indicated otherwise. Lovie blitzed only one time, and they had Brady sacked, but he got away with intentional grounding.

                                      Well as we all know - The rest is history. The game was close and hard fought just as Martz predicted. And yet fans, who do not listen and do not understand the game, perpetuate the media created myth that belichick was a genius and Martz was a goat.



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                                      -01-11-2006, 10:25 AM
                                    • r8rh8rmike
                                      Martz vs. Belichick
                                      by r8rh8rmike
                                      Bill Belichick is the master of getting more with less and he's fully aware of his weakness in the secondary, which means he's making adjustments. He's always had a knack at plugging in backups, changing his schemes and making it all work. No one does it better.

                                      It's critical that Mike Martz be prepared to counter those adjustments. This game is a big opportunity for him to silence his critics and detractors by showing he can battle with the best and come out on top. If he stands toe to toe with Belichick and makes the right moves, we win.
                                      -11-05-2004, 04:01 PM
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