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    Bulger finds no positives for the offense
    By Bill Coats
    Of the Post-Dispatch
    Tuesday, Aug. 24 2004

    KANSAS CITY - Desperately seeking a silver lining despite the turbulent skies
    that swirled over Arrowhead Stadium on Monday night, Rams quarterback Marc
    Bulger said: "The only good thing that comes out of tonight is, it doesn't
    count against our record. Besides that ... I don't think anything good came out
    of it."

    Although storms didn't hit until after the Kansas City Chiefs had completed a
    24-7 victory that dropped the Rams' preseason record to 0-2, the climate
    already had turned sour for Bulger and rest of the first-team offense.

    Going against the Chiefs' No. 1 defense proved to be a mismatch for Bulger and
    his crew. Running back Marshall Faulk, seeing his first action of the
    preseason, left early in the second quarter, but the rest of the 'ones'
    completed the first half. The score at that point was 24-0, and the Chiefs had
    built a total-offense edge of 200 yards to 68.

    "As quarterback, your job is to get points," Bulger said. "I didn't do my job
    tonight." Bulger completed eight of 15 passes for 67 yards, with an
    interception that linebacker Shawn Barber took 60 yards for a touchdown.
    Bulger's quarterback rating was a woeful 37.4.

    Bulger had several factors working against him: a patchwork offensive line; a
    blitz-heavy defensive plan by Kansas City; and consistently poor field
    position. The Rams' six first-half drives had an average starting point of just
    past the 20-yard line, and they produced a mere 73 total yards.

    The Rams crossed the 50-yard line just once in the first half - and only when a
    15-yard penalty took them to the Chiefs' 45. Bulger was sacked three times,
    though his indecisiveness while searching for receivers was at least partly to
    blame.

    Coach Mike Martz tried to soak up the culpability, saying he did a "very poor
    job" of preparing his outfit. But Bulger was having none of that.

    "As players, we all know it's our job to go out there and play well," he said.
    "And if we'd executed the game plan the way we should have, there's no reason
    why we couldn't have won. It's definitely on the players; I don't think it's on
    the head coach."

    At least the Rams' reserves could claim superiority: St. Louis mustered 210
    yards in the second half to Kansas City's 57. Not that it mattered much.
    "Everyone knows it was our 'ones' vs. their 'ones'" when the Chiefs took
    control, Bulger said.

    Gunther Cunningham, the Chiefs' new defensive coordinator, called blitz after
    blitz, with obvious success. "You've got a quarterback in Marc that's still
    relatively young in the league, so why not blitz?" Faulk said. "They know our
    offense pretty well, and they kind of know if they do blitz us some of the
    basic things we'll do as far as adjustments go."

    That probably was the case, Bulger said, when Barber picked off his pass
    intended for running back Arlen Harris. The Chiefs brought both safeties, and
    when Bulger hurried his throw, Barber was waiting for it.

    "That's our adjustment, to throw it out there," Bulger explained. "And
    obviously they have that play in their playbook. So maybe they game-planned
    it."

    Excessive blitzing used to be frowned upon in preseason games, but that
    unwritten rule apparently doesn't apply anymore.

    "We didn't expect that much pressure, but we got it," Bulger said. "It wasn't
    completely out of the ordinary, though. It was working, and they stuck with it.
    ... When you play Kansas City it's almost like a regular-season atmosphere."

    __________________________________________________________
    Keeping the Rams Nation Talking

  • #2
    Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

    WOW!! What a performance by the soon to be "best quarterback in the history of the Rams!! That "Genius" Mike Martz - what an amazing offensive performance!!

    My Opinion - Get used to it Ram fans, I see a 6 win season. We are headed to mediocrity because : we have a "idiot savant" as a coach and a front office which shows no loyalty to its quarterbacks. We've only had 2 real good ones since I've been a Ram (1976) and we ran both of them away! (Vince and Kurt). This lack of loyalty is recognized by other players in the NFL, which is why we get no significant free agents. No one plays for Martz. He has inherited a great team and led them to ruin!!! This team was never about Falk, Bruce or Holt. We won because we had the best qb to ever play - and we ruined it!!

    Stand up and take a bow all you traitors who were happy to see Warner go. Enjoy your new qb that no team in the NFL wanted! Enjoy your retarded coach! Enjoy your 6 win season! In 2 years we will have the first pick in the draft and Martz will be only a memory. Rebuilding here we come!

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    • #3
      Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

      Originally posted by rebel13
      This lack of loyalty is recognized by other players in the NFL, which is why we get no significant free agents.
      And here I thought the salary cap played into that. :redface:

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      • #4
        Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

        Originally posted by RamDez
        Bulger finds no positives for the offense
        By Bill Coats
        snip
        Bulger had several factors working against him: a patchwork offensive line; a
        blitz-heavy defensive plan by Kansas City; and consistently poor field
        position. The Rams' six first-half drives had an average starting point of just
        past the 20-yard line, and they produced a mere 73 total yards.
        snip
        Since these were the same factors that caused other QBs to be benched forever, is it time to let Chandalier start? :tongue:

        gap

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        • #5
          Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

          Originally posted by RamDez
          "That's our adjustment, to throw it out there," Bulger explained. "And obviously they have that play in their playbook. So maybe they game-planned it."
          The o-line is clearly a contributing factor in Bulger's travails, but something is more ominous. "Our adjustment." I am not sure Bulger showed much ability last night to make any kinds of adjustments.

          He was blitzed last year because of his youth. This year maybe it is because of the weakness of the o-line ... but he clearly was not getting rid of the ball with decisive quickness. It's nice to fall back on the idea that coverages of KC kept Bulger from finding open receivers, but since DBs were supposedly not able to bump 'n chuck at the line what happened to the vaunted separation ability of the WRs? Bulger wasn't finding anyone.

          And the root of that problem? Bulger and the WRs weren't making blitz read adjustments for the most part, and if they did, they stuck to a script and didn't improvise, and got intercepted. Bulger's decision-making process doesn't have the luxury of sitting back in the pocket and making progressive reads at the moment ... he has to make adjustments now. And the first one is to quicken his reaction time to events unfolding in front of him.

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          • #6
            Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

            Originally posted by rebel13
            My Opinion - Get used to it Ram fans, I see a 6 win season.
            And what team are you a fan of? (its certainly not the Rams)

            Originally posted by rebel13
            This team was never about Falk, Bruce or Holt. We won because we had the best qb to ever play - and we ruined it!!
            You are loopy. To say Faulk, Bruce and Holt had nothing to do with the Rams' success, you must not have been paying attention for the last 5 years. Oh, and Kurt Warner is hardly the "best qb ever to play."

            Originally posted by rebel13
            Stand up and take a bow all you traitors who were happy to see Warner go. Enjoy your new qb that no team in the NFL wanted! Enjoy your retarded coach! Enjoy your 6 win season! In 2 years we will have the first pick in the draft and Martz will be only a memory. Rebuilding here we come!
            What I'll enjoy is the silence that you emit when this is proven wrong.

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            • #7
              Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

              Rebel13, it was a preseason game. Preseason, meaning vanilla. No scheme was installed against the blitz probably.

              Anyway, for those of you getting wedgies due to a preseason game, watch Big Brother 5 until the season starts.

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              • #8
                Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                Originally posted by adarian_too
                It's nice to fall back on the idea that coverages of KC kept Bulger from finding open receivers, but since DBs were supposedly not able to bump 'n chuck at the line what happened to the vaunted separation ability of the WRs?
                I remember one specific replay after Bulger got sacked, and it showed that the KC defenders were actually doing a pretty good job of staying on their men. Bulger didn't have the kind of open targets that Chandler saw later in the game, based on that clip. That's no excuse -- he's still either got to throw the ball away or do something else with it -- but I think the myth is that the enforced rule is suddenly going to create open receivers all over the place. Contrary to what Bill Belichick might think, you can cover a receiver without the bumping and the grabbing. It appears that the Chiefs did a fairly good job at that.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                  After watching last nite's game, I am wondering do I really need to purchase the NFL Ticket or whatever Direct TV calls it? Isn't that the reason I had two trees (relax there were about to fall anyway) removed so I could watch the RAMS play every Sunday ... Should I order :upset: ?

                  I need a pep talk here after the dismal first half performance.

                  Looks like a lot of posters(Trout and Dude, etc.) may be right about the not so bulging Bulger but there is no proof in the pudding that has Warner has made it "back" either as I read a Yahoo sports column that had the stats of Eli and KW switched from their first preseason game. KW had the lesser stats of that game but the columnist went on and on how KW did so much better and deserves to start the second game. Is that called divine intervention? :tongue: I know it is preseason for the players but NOT the sports beat writers.

                  Must be the new moon.

                  I am hanging in for my beloved team but it looks like a potential season of hangovers! :tongue: :redface:

                  GO RAMS!! :ramlogo:
                  Socrates: Surf to live! and Live to Surf!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                    Chin up people it was a preseason game!! Give me ONE example of when we played well in the preseason since 1999. Lets season what the regular season has in stored for us before we bail out. At least lets see what Friday brings.



                    Originally posted by fearlessone
                    After watching last nite's game, I am wondering do I really need to purchase the NFL Ticket or whatever Direct TV calls it? Isn't that the reason I had two trees (relax there were about to fall anyway) removed so I could watch the RAMS play every Sunday ... Should I order :upset: ?

                    I need a pep talk here after the dismal first half performance.

                    Looks like a lot of posters(Trout and Dude, etc.) may be right about the not so bulging Bulger but there is no proof in the pudding that has Warner has made it "back" either as I read a Yahoo sports column that had the stats of Eli and KW switched from their first preseason game. KW had the lesser stats of that game but the columnist went on and on how KW did so much better and deserves to start the second game. Is that called divine intervention? :tongue: I know it is preseason for the players but NOT the sports beat writers.

                    Must be the new moon.

                    I am hanging in for my beloved team but it looks like a potential season of hangovers! :tongue: :redface:

                    GO RAMS!! :ramlogo:

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                      Like the immortal words of my favorite Scotsman, (should be Dez' too :tongue:!) John Paul Jones, "SIR, I have not yet begun to fight!" as I will always support and defend my team with BLIND FAITH.

                      But close to $300 for the TICKET ... well I am going to order anyway since I gots TIVO too! :tongue:

                      RAMS ON :helmet:
                      Socrates: Surf to live! and Live to Surf!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                        Originally posted by NickSeiler
                        -- but I think the myth is that the enforced rule is suddenly going to create open receivers all over the place.
                        I won't argue the point because time will tell to some degree. I would say by way of example though, that they also replayed a slant to Holt from the left that showed a quick release to the inside by Holt couldn't be prevented from catching by clutching.
                        Last edited by adarian_too; -08-24-2004, 11:14 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                          At the cost of NFLST these days, they'd have to replay all the games throughout the week to make it worth it (in addition to improving the officiating). :tongue:

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                            Well I see the two sides to this Post! But true to form, Pre -season or not,Bulger looks like he did last year(mediocre) . It's not about Kurt anymore. I still wish he was here ,but That is gone for good! Rebel can see what he thinks is the writing on the wall. This Team is in a downward Spiral. The O-line is a big problem. It was that way when the team went 0-5 with Kurt. So bulger come seasons start, better adjust,because there are no excuses and he should be benched if he can't adjust! Now yes I'm very aware this is just P-season,but again that was some pretty sloppy play period! Its hurt this team in the past to play the vets very little in P- season, But this time it's like, Well the line is patch work so do what you can. That better not happen come seasons start! Now Fisher is out-Big blow. The d-line looked barely better than the O-line. And you know what? Pace can kiss my ass! That whiney ass baby just looking to get out of training camp again!!!!!!! Some F-n team player! It will take him 5 games to come around to speed. I could be wrong , but didn't he do this before the start of that 0-5 run?(01)

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bulger finds no positives for the offense

                              You've got a quarterback in Marc that's still
                              relatively young in the league, so why not blitz?" <<<< I think Faulk's words say a lot... Bulger has been around long enough to figure out how to pick up the blitz..No excuses..

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                                by RamWraith
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                                He's also doesn't think that the team's problems scoring in the red zone last season might carry over to the 2006 season.

                                The Rams' first-string offense has failed to score a touchdown in five possessions in the preseason. They've come away with two field goals in two trips in the red zone.

                                "I don't think it will be an issue," Bulger said. "I think we'll definitely be able to run the ball better this year. That was the main issue in the past. You have to be able to run the ball in the red zone, and we weren't effective with that."

                                Bulger is confident that the first-string offense will get into more of rhythm during the Rams' preseason game against the Kansas City Chiefs at 7:30 p.m. Saturday at Arrowhead.

                                The third preseason game is traditionally the dress rehearsal for the regular season for most NFL teams, so the Rams' first-string offense and defense will play at least a half, and maybe more against the Chiefs.

                                "We've been moving the ball," Bulger said. "We've had a lot of plays over 15 yards, which is good. If we had a bunch of three-and-outs, we'd be concerned. I think we'll get a better feel this week with two and maybe three quarters with our red zone play."

                                Bulger said he doesn't get too worked up over preseason games.

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                                With 1 1/2 minutes remaining in the opening quarter that day, Young eluded Rams
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                                "Bryant Young just had my hand, held it to my side, and I landed on my right
                                shoulder," Bulger recalled Wednesday. "It was in an awkward position (for) the
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                                Bulger knew right away that his throwing shoulder was messed up.

                                "With the shoulder, those ligaments get stretched and it's just nearly
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                                According to wide receiver Isaac Bruce, that has led to a greater air of
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                                Rams rookie running back Steven Jackson called Sunday's 17-10 victory over Arizona "an ugly win." Quarterback Marc Bulger was quick to correct the youngster.

                                "No such thing," said Bulger, starting his fourth NFL season. "Having (the Cardinals) come in here and play that hard, it's nice to come out with a win."

                                Perhaps Bulger was conjuring year-old memories, when the Rams and their No. 1 quarterback then, Kurt Warner, were pounded 23-13 in a season-opening loss at Giants Stadium.

                                Bulger replaced Warner, his close friend, as the starter the next week and guided the Rams to 12 wins in the next 15 games. Although Bulger expressed hope that Warner would be back this season, Warner was released in June and signed by the Giants. So Bulger made his first regular-season start Sunday without the familiar No. 13 on the sideline at the Edward Jones Dome.

                                "We've moved on," Bulger said. "We know Kurt's not going to be here. You have to play with what you have."

                                Bulger put up respectable numbers, completing 23 of 34 passes for 272 yards and a touchdown. But his decision-making was questionable at times. He launched a badly misguided pass that was intercepted at the Arizona 2-yard line. Another unsightly interception was returned by Cardinals linebacker James Darling 95 yards to the end zone, but a defensive holding penalty nullified the play.

                                Bulger was in anguish before he spied the yellow flag on the carpet.

                                "I think there were probably three or four seconds when I thought ... you don't want to know what I was thinking," he said, laughing.

                                The Rams scored two plays later on an 8-yard toss from Bulger to diving wide receiver Isaac Bruce, who rolled across the goal line. That made it 17-10 just 33 seconds into the fourth quarter.

                                Bulger finished with a solid quarterback rating of 89.3, but he was disturbed that the Rams' first three drives ended with turnovers - two fumbles and an interception - and because the offense could muster only a single touchdown.

                                "I think it'd be more frustrating, though, if we couldn't get outside of our 30-yard line or something and we're just not moving the ball," Bulger said. "We knew if we just kept going at it, the ball is going down the field and eventually we're going to get in the end zone and score some points."

                                So, it might not have been a masterpiece, Bulger conceded, but it added up to a successful opening day.

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                                But Marc Bulger has made the transition to coach Scott Linehan's offense, and has done so in impressive fashion. Bulger has completed at least 61.9 percent of his passes in the past four games. His passer rating has been 110 or higher in each of those contests.

                                He has thrown for 300-plus yards in three of the four games, and has nine TD passes and just one interception in a span that began with a Week 3 victory in Arizona and continued through the Week 6 loss to Seattle.

                                "It's been a difficult transition," offensive coordinator Greg Olson said after the Seattle game. "I'm sure it hasn't been easy. But he's stuck with us, and he's handled it like a true professional."




                                Bulger set a franchise record by throwing 248 consecutive passes without an interception, a streak broken against the Seahawks. As the Rams prepare for Sunday's contest in San Diego, Bulger quietly has moved up to third in the NFL in passer rating (99.8), trailing only Indianapolis' Peyton Manning (103.2) and Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb (101.7).

                                "He has worked very hard at improving his game on a weekly basis," Linehan said. "I gain more and more appreciation for the little things that he does, as far as his accuracy. ... He knows more and more about what we expect as far as still being aggressive, yet at times not making throws that don't need to be made."

                                Bulger shrugs off his numbers.

                                "If the numbers are good, they're good," he said. "If they're not, they're not. But we're 4-2. That's all that matters to me."

                                Undoubtedly, there will be bumps in the road over the final 10 games. San Diego's No. 1-ranked defense presents a formidable challenge. But there's no doubt that Bulger has made a successful switch from the high-risk, high-reward offense of Mike Martz, to the aggressive yet prudent approach of Linehan.

                                "It was frustrating at first," Bulger said. "It took, what, one or two weeks into the regular season? But I think in the big scheme of things that's not a long time, which is nice. Some teams and some offenses take a year or two. We're still early in the season, but I think we've adopted this as our new system, and everyone's getting more comfortable with it and embracing it."



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                              • RamWraith
                                Rams quarterback confident in offense
                                by RamWraith
                                By R.B. FALLSTROM, AP Sports Writer
                                November 2, 2006

                                ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Marc Bulger is doing his job. It's breakdowns elsewhere that have been costing the St. Louis Rams.

                                After consecutive losses, the quarterback's confidence has only grown. He produced 24 points last week against the stingy Chargers, has thrown 248 passes with only one interception, and ranks second in the NFL with a 101.3 passer rating.

                                "It's good anytime you face a top five defense and you can say you moved the ball," Bulger said Wednesday. "I know from my standpoint and I think I can speak for most of the guys, it doesn't matter who we're playing. We're confident we can score on anyone."

                                Bulger's efforts have been negated by a defense that has surrendered 68 points the last two games, and by key mistakes on offense. The Chargers and Seahawks totaled nine sacks.

                                Last week, Stephen Davis' fumble was returned 79 yards for a touchdown to give the Chargers a 21-7 lead in the first half, and three sacks shortcircuited other drives. That was enough to leave Bulger, who was 27-for-40 for 327 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions, playing catchup most of the day and ultimately in the loser's locker room after a 38-24 loss.

                                Bulger knows that's the bottom line.

                                "I feel good throwing it, although obviously there's still a way to go for the offense," Bulger said. "The record is all that matters."

                                Coach Scott Linehan said Bulger has done all that the Rams have asked of him. Giving credit to previous coach Mike Martz, he said it's clear that the quarterback has been trained well.

                                "There are some growing pains, and there are still are," Linehan said. "You can tell he's much more decisive about where to go, or this is what coach wants, this is what the play is designed for.

                                "He's doing a good job of being consistent and patient and doing what we ask."

                                The Rams (4-3) remained in a tie for first place in the NFC West because the Seahawks also lost last week. That, also, is Bulger's bottom line.

                                "We're not happy with the way we've played the last two weeks, but we're still there," Bulger said. "It's a matter of trying to win the division first and once you do that anything can happen.

                                "The Steelers proved that last year and we're going to try to do more than just win the division, but that's got to be our focus: just getting in."

                                Following that theme, he attached no special significance to this week's game against the intrastate rival Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs beat them 16-12 in the preseason in the annual "Governor's Cup" game.

                                "I know it's a big rivalry here, but it's just another game to us honestly," Bulger said. "They've had our number in...
                                -11-02-2006, 06:05 AM
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