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  • Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

    Alright, this is going to be a touchy subject obviously. Many or most of us aren't from the St. Louis area so we don't have that geographical connection to the team to keep us loyal. Even for those from the St. Louis area maybe the geographical factor is not as large as you'd think. The Rams have only been in town since '95 it's not like it's a long tradition that goes back generations in each family in the area with season tickets being inherited as it is in many other cities. It also looks increasingly likely that the team will soon move on to greener pastures, it has worn out its welcome years ago and at some point management is going to want a fresh start in a new market.

    So how did we end up Rams fans then? Personally I really liked what I was seeing from Vermiel, Martz, Warner, Faulk, Bruce and so on. I joined the ranks of Rams fans partially based on us winning a lot of games, but also based on the way we were playing. Gung-ho offense a never-give-up attitude and unflinching belief that even if our D sucked and we were down 20 points we could still put up 3 fast TD's and steal the game. That's the way it was, it was exciting even when we lost. As long as we were playing exciting football, competing and leaving it all in the ring I was a happy fan even if we sometimes lost games we shouldn't.

    But today that's different. It's not just about us being a losing team. We've been a bad team for a few years now and I think we can all handle that (otherwise we'd have jumped ship years ago when the GSOT faded). Where it gets more serious is when it comes to ownership and management. As I said I think we can all accept to have a team that sometimes loses more than it wins, we can accept bad players, they can be replaced, there's always next year's draft right? A bad coach can be replaced quickly, as we'll soon see. But at least to me it's much harder to accept that we have an owner who doesn't give a crap and a completely incompetent set of managers in charge of the organisation. Lawyers and accountants making football decisions, friends hiring friends, no accountability at the top.

    Players and coaches come and go, but owners and management can stay for decades and decades, and if they're as bad as ours they can almost assure that we will be, on average, among the bottom teams in the league and continue to make mind-boggingly stupid decisions. Sure sometimes everything comes together as it did in '99, but I'm increasingly realising what a crazy fluke that was. Ownership and management are incompetent, there is no nice way to say it but it's true. Our brief taste of success for a few seasons between the debacle of the 90's and our current situation really was a case of the blind chicken stumbling upon a corn by pure accident.

    Contrast that with other succesful teams where ownership and management are working together with a strong coach and ensures success year after year, of course there are down years too, for every organisation. But there are clearly at least a handful of teams, if not more, in the league where you as a fan are not in any doubt about the commitment to winning and the competency to get it done.

    So as a Rams fan what should I do? Sit around and wait for 20 or 30 years for new ownership, watch us make one stupid decision after another, constantly hoping the stars will align and we'll see a brief flash of success by pure chance? Or change my allegiance to a properly led team with competent management and ownership truly committed to excellence? The former is the 'default' choice for a diehard fan, the latter is the 'default' choice for the bandwagon fan and there is no middle ground. It's hard to say which choice would be more enjoyable too, unless you're a true bandwagon fan (and I as many other hardcore fans don't understand that sentiment well) where is the fun in 'your' team winning if you switch every week? On the other hand where is the fun in your team losing every week with no real hope for lasting improvement and the only consolation a few lucky moments every now and then?

    I could be a fan of any team, some days I think to myself "Why is it the Rams and does it have to be?". Has anyone else here seriously considered starting over as a football fan and switching to another team? And if not, have you considered the reasons you are a Rams fan and if they still hold up?

  • #2
    Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

    Simple answer...NEVER

    What you see is what you get, but what you see depends on where you stand.


    • #3
      Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

      Interesting post, RamOfDenmark.

      Like you, I don't hail from St Louis (or even from the USA, for that matter) so I don't have any particular allegiance with the city or anything like that. Still, I've supported the Rams since 1985, when they were based in LA, and haven't once considered changing, even throughout the doldrums of the 1990s.

      I suppose that my staunch support is partly down to the way that people support football (or soccer, for our American brethren!) teams in the UK, where I was born and grew up. Once you start to support a team, tradition dictates that you never desert it. You can change your home, your wife, your job, even your religion.... but your team stays the same.

      Such loyalty may seem misguided but it's something which is far more admirable than the fickle attitude which pervades the world in which we live. "I want it all and I want it now" encapsulates the zeitgeist of the short-term consumer society in which we currently live and many younger people know nothing else; indeed, it would be interesting to see how many older fans have thought about jumping ship in comparison to younger ones- that's not to tar all youngsters with the same brush, incidentally!

      In answer to your question I'd never leave the Rams, even if it took another 20 or 30 years for us to get competitive again. A true fan stays loyal through thick and thin...


      • #4
        Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

        I have been a Rams fan for 25+ years. I have suffered through many seasons of sad losses. I love the Rams and nothing can change that. I'm not going anywhere.
        A defeated look of consternation, dissappointment, or even pain. The name derives from the look one often gets when challenged by a large BM.


        • #5
          Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

          Hmmm... an increasingly melancholy Danish fan questioning whether he wishes to be, or not to be, a Rams fan.

          How Shakespearian.


          • #6
            Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

            Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
            Hmmm... an increasingly melancholy Danish fan questioning whether he wishes to be, or not to be, a Rams fan.

            How Shakespearian.
            That really is the question.
            The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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              • #8
                Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                Nah, I've been a fan since '83 even though I grew up in N.Y. Giants country and now live in Philly where it's wrong not to wear green. Over those years, I've seen many, many bad Rams team, but I've never switched- I just dedicated more of my time to rooting against the teams that I hate. If I can't take solace in the Rams winning- then hopefully I can take solace in somebody else losing.


                • #9
                  Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                  Been a fan since '95, gonna be a fan till the day i die.


                  • #10
                    Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                    2 words....

                    NO WAY!
                    sigpic :ram::helmet:


                    • #11
                      Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                      If you switch allegiance, even if the new team does well, are you really going to enjoy that success as if it's your own?


                      • #12
                        Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                        I in reality could never follow another team, the rams are in my head, my subconscious.

                        Of recent and when things have gone badly wrong, I have questioned why I am a fan at all. Why I pay money to keep some guys rich who just 'play' a 'game' that I play for free and pay to watch, because I enjoy it.

                        I would never change from the rams though. 22 years and more importantly, a lot of rams fan friends now, who I wouldn't be without. This last bash was just plain awesome.
                        I will wait an entire year for the next, thinking about it every day. I meet These good friends there every year. I met Mauiram in hawaii last year. I will meet Majorram in London later this year.

                        I dont know where the rule is written that you never change team, or who wrote it, as some people do. Some fans dont do that, they just choose to follow when the teams are winning. Just ask a sports shop owner, which kit is selling this year, its usually the winners.

                        Most of the people in here will not be those guys though;

                        having won 11 games out of the last 34, the bandwagon is of its rails and we, the tortured remain.

                        To say I have never questioned my loyalty would be a lie.

                        To say I have never fallen out with owners/players/coaches would be a lie.

                        To say that I had never thought, in the heat of the moment during/after a big loss. "Why did I choose the Rams? Why?" would be a lie.

                        But I did choose the Rams.

                        And till death do us part.
                        Last edited by rampower; -09-17-2008, 10:08 AM. Reason: spelling hell
                        The Breakfast Club. You want cheese with that?


                        • #13
                          Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                          Its like I was thinking it and this guy all the way (not that far as I'm currently in Germany) up there in Denmark wrote it.

                          Great post... I wish it was that easy. I threatened to leave with Bruce, but I couldn't and can't... damnit rams just do something in the right direction. Or bills move to Canada and then i will have a valid reason to switch teams.


                          • #14
                            Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                            Originally posted by rampower View Post
                            I meet These good friends there every year. I met Mauiram in hawaii last year. I will meet Majorram in London later this year.
                            You'll meet me and the missus in London too if you're lucky. Heh.


                            • #15
                              Re: Anyone seriously thought about switching teams?

                              I've been with the Rams since they days of Roman Gabriel Lance Rentzel(I only liked him 'cause he was married to Joey Heatherton-schwing!) Ken Iman, Deacon, Merlin, Jack Snow and the rest.

                              I'm not going anywhere!!!


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                              • supachump
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                                by supachump
                                I debated with myself if I should post this. Surely some of the so called "fans" that have given up on the Rams will have some sort of witty reply. However, I've felt an overwhelming urge to post something.

                                The Rams are in a sorry state right now. The front office is making bad decisions, the coach doesn't seem up to the job, our defense is unable to hold it together for an entire game, and our front line isn't protecting the Q-Back making him nervous and unable to find a rhythm.

                                A lot is wrong. But what is right is that the Rams are my team, and for a lot of you on this board, your team as well. Fans have the right to complain and want something better, but a fan should also stick with them and look at the positives no matter how few there seem to be at this particular moment. Contrary to a lot of you, based on the posts I've been reading, I could reluctantly accept another terrible season and another after that and another after that. No, I don't like the abuse and I do want something more, but I stick by my team no matter the outcome.

                                I don't expect everyone to feel the same way and I know that everyone reacts differently. But what I see, as bad as things seem, is a slight improvement from week 1 to week 2. This is what keeps me going. And I do think the team looked slightly better this week. Even if they play even worse next week, I'll still be here and still be a fan, because there is always hope. And when a team is down, this is what makes a fan. And the true test of a fan at that.

                                People with different opinions are welcome on this board is far as I'm concerned. That is what sparks good debate and what could help me something that I wouldn't see otherwise. But when someone becomes so negative that the only thing that comes out of their mouth (fingers?) is down right hatred and they are only sticking around here to spread that hatred. And by their own admission, are no longer a fan and unwilling to follow the team. Well, that's your decision and I support it, but why do you stick around here and continue posting such garbage? Do you feel a need to try and convince more people to join your Anti-Rams social club?

                                I applaud the fans that are sticking behind their team in these bad times. I even applaud the unhappy ones that are overwhelmed with anger, but still hold out a glimmer of hope and remain a fan.

                                Even more so, to the Rams themselves (not that they are listening), but I support you 100%, even in this bad time. You are my team and I stand behind you, just as I would a member of my family. Good times and bad.
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                              • LA Rammer
                                Rams Fan Brethren
                                by LA Rammer
                                I had a few minutes to burn a few thoughts. I'm not going to say be patient we will get to the promise land soon or we will drastically improve and become a contender, NO. I'm not "Johnny come lately." I have sat through blowouts at candlestick and been escorted out by inebriated annoying whiner fans with horns, bells and whistles, not good experience. I have been arrested at Anaheim Stadium for confrontation with Raider player and fans, blowout at home, not good. I have also sat through games at home where Redskins and their fans completely took over our house!!! NOT GOOD!!! People in my neighborhood, school, work and other places heckle me "The Lambs!"

                                When the Raiders played in LA my former associates took to them and would invite me to their games. THEY WON SUPERBOWL! Still I couldn't turn to the dark side, didn't feel right. I stuck to my team through adversity, even the ultimate heartbreak... they moved.

                                The GSOT era awakened a new spirit within me, a victorious one. Now ridicule turned to hate, colleagues would wish painful injury upon Warner and Faulk. Now people took me serious.

                                I'm sorry if some here feel they can't take it no more enduring disappointing seasons. Believe me if you walk away and put on another teams jersey it will not make you happier. What will? Going back to why you like this team. The presence of gold horns on the field. Even if we score ONE TD ALL SEASON savor it, there is no better feeling.

                                Our new motto will be "together we suffer as one we triumph!" Keep your heads up and enjoy the small moments. I do not take pleasure in the exultation of a mighty one, but the overcoming of adversity from the lowly.

                                Together We Suffer as One We Triumph!
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                              • RockinRam
                                After Two Decades of Agonizing Rams Football...No Remorse and Other Thoughts
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                                Look. I get it. The non-call on the PI will live in infamy as being one of the most blatant misses by an officiating crew for a long, long time. And I understand the Saints fans anguish. If we were in their situation, we would likely be saying and complaining about the same things.

                                But do I reaaaaally care?


                                And neither should Rams nation. For the fans that have stuck with the team through the small amount of highs and the massive amount of lows over the past 20 years, this is the moment we’ve been dreaming of. Every Sam Bradford check-down pass, every ex-Titans cast-off performing poorly, every Jared Cook dropped catch, every time the camera panned to Scott Linehan standing around looking confused on the sideline, every time we felt so sorry for Steven Jackson for sacrificing his body for a horrendously performing franchise, every time Craig Dahl looked like he was running through quicksand to try to tackle someone, every time Jason Smith got beat, every time Alex Barron false started…we would tell ourselves in our head that one day the Rams would be winners and that our current struggles would be worth it. Or at least I would.

                                And now the time has finally come. Not only have the Rams made it to the playoffs in back-to-back years, we are going to the SUPERBOWL. Honestly, it is still pretty surreal to me. How are we finally this good? Are we prominent again? Or is this fleeting and the football gods are just teasing us? Whatever it is, this is our time to enjoy the moment and bask in the glory of some of the most legitimate football I have seen this team play since I became a fan.

                                For those that are still trying to lead the crusade against the naysayers who claim that we don’t deserve to be in the Superbowl, I say just let it be. We indeed deserve to play on February 3rd. The Saints, for all their complaining about the refs, did not seem to complain when they had zero penalties called on them until 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter. Let them cry out. I would too if I was starting to realize that my future HOF QB is no longer the same talent that he was and was looking to place blame on anything else but my team.

                                But you know what? What a time to be alive as a Rams fan. And what a time to be a member of this board. I think we’ve all gone through some highs and lows together. I know I have personally been pretty hard on people or would get in frequent quarrels. Looking back, I think its because we all care so much about this team that we even care enough to argue over an internet board.

                                This board means a lot to me. Growing up (and still today), I am basically the only Rams fan that I know. None of my friends are Rams fans. I still remember attending my first Rams game during the 2017 season in Los Angeles and walking around feeling honestly a little weird. I had never been surrounded by that many Rams fans before. Over the course of my fandom, this has...
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                              • NJ Ramsfan1
                                Would be interested in everyone's take
                                by NJ Ramsfan1
                                There are no two words guaranteed to stir the pot and enrage followers of a certain team like the words "True Fan". When one's loyalty is questioned or someone accuses someone else of being "less a fan" because they don't agree with them on a variety of issues, it is the equivalent of hitting below the belt. When phrases like "See Ya", "Don't let the Door hit you in the ***", Goodbye and Good Riddance" are thrown about, it is both insulting and juvenile.

                                I submit to you the following scenarios:

                                1. A guy decides to avoid being a slave to the television each Sunday and do something constructive instead of watching bad football. He chooses to play with his kids, do yard work, go to the gym or whatever. Can he no longer call himself a Rams fan?
                                2. A guy decides to cancel his NFL ticket package because he doesn't want to pay good money for the "privilege" of being ticked off during Rams football in light of their 6 wins over the past three seasons. Is he no longer a true fan?
                                3. A guy with Rams season tickets decides to give his tickets away/ sell at a reduced rate and not go to the games. Is he no longer a "True Rams Fan"?
                                4. A guy pays $100.00 to go see the Rams on the road. The team is down 38-0 AT THE HALF. He elects to go home with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter to resist the urge of killing idiot home fans while watching a non-effort. Is he no longer a true fan? (By the way, this was me at last yrs. Rams-Jets disaster- the worst football game this franchise has ever played).
                                5. Absolutely sick to death from losing and not having anything to cheer about, a fan rips the team and/or individual players/management on this forum or elsewhere. He is more negative than positive because there is much more negative than positive happening on the field, and it is his way to vent. Is he now considered less of a fan?

                                I'm sorry, but in my opinion, if you answered anything other than "NO" to any of the above, you have it wrong. As far as I'm concerned, everyone on this board is a true fan for coming on here and commenting on this weekly gut ache called Rams football.

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                              • AvengerRam_old
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                                Yesterday, we learned that James Laurinaitis has a chest injury. At this point, it appears that the injury is relatively minor. However, regardless of how this plays out, I was somewhat taken aback by the knee-jerk response of several Rams fans.

                                Within moments of the injury report, many fans (here and on other sites), went immediately into “Chicken Little” mode – exclaiming that the sky was falling and postulating that the Rams’ interest in Ben Leber must be viewed as proof that JL’s injury is more significant than the reports indicate.

                                I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by this reaction. Years of futility and frustration has clearly impacted the fan base. Indeed, it has gotten to the point at which the term SOSAR (“Same Old Sorry A__ Rams”) is no longer a mere insult uttered by the fans of rivals, but rather is a term commonly utilized by Rams fans themselves.

                                My question is… shouldn’t we be moving on from that mindset?

                                While nobody knows exactly what the future holds, even the most pessimistic fan should feel compelled to acknowledge the positive indicators. The Rams have a new QB who was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. They have drafted solid players, if not emerging stars, at key spots such as OT, TE, DE, MLB and CB. They have a new owner with DEEEEEEP pockets. They have a coaching staff/Front Office that seems to be truly hitting its stride. They have upgraded their roster with key free agent acquisitions. And… on the field… they went from one win in 2009 to seven in 2010.

                                Simply put, these are not Skip Rosenbloom’s Mother’s St. Louis Rams. This is a new team that has a lot of promise.

                                As fans, we should not wear blinders or… worse yet… “rose-colored glasses.” It is entirely legitimate to be concerned about the tough upcoming schedule, the inevitable loss of players to injury, and the remaining holes in the roster.

                                But shouldn’t that be tempered by a bit of faith? A bit of optimism? A bit of hope?

                                I know what some of you will say: “there goes Av again… telling fans how they should think.” Well, to those who would respond in such a manner, let me be frank.

                                The Rams do NOT have the most loyal fan base in all of sports. I wish they did, but they don’t. I’d like to see the fan base strive to climb that list, and I think now is the perfect time to start.
                                -08-10-2011, 03:09 PM