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    Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

    According to an article in the post-dispatch (someone post the link please), The Big Man has signed the tender tonight and immediately began meetings with the coaches. He expects to play on sunday. Dishman will start at guard, with mccollom, timmerman and grant williams.

    Poston quote "I instructed him to sign the tender. He is very, very frustrated with the team."

    How on gods green earth can Pace be frustrated when no one could negotiate with him before he signed the tender. I love the "I instructed him language" What happened to "I want to get something done" that Pace uttered like a puppet earlier this year. Mr. "I am taking a More Active Role in the Negotiations" was instructed to sign the tender. Sounds very consistent.

    Either way, The Big Man is in and this can only help us for 2004, even if it takes some time to get the line together. Maybe a miracle will occur and we will sign him long term.

    Ramming Speed to all

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    Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

    The team needs him, so I'm glad he's back.


    The rest, for now, is just details.

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    • #3
      Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

      *YAWN*


      Wake me when Pace signs a long-term deal.



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      • #4
        Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

        well we get the tub of lard back, hip hip hurray...................

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        • #5
          Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

          Well at least we have him back, just hell the hell is he frustrated with the Rams, he has to sign the tender first :bored:

          steve :ramlogo:
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          • #6
            Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

            Okay, he'll play this season. How soon can the Ram's trade him and not be hit on the salary cap? I say we should unload him at the end of this season and get the best deal possible for him.

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            • #7
              Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

              Originally posted by coy bacon
              Okay, he'll play this season. How soon can the Ram's trade him and not be hit on the salary cap? I say we should unload him at the end of this season and get the best deal possible for him.
              Assuming he doesn't sign a long-term contract before the season, after the season, the tender will have expired and he'll again be a free-agent. So there would be no cap hit, but whatever level of compensation is owed the Rams if he signs somewhere else. The way things are set now for a trade to happen, he'd have to work out a contract with the team to which he'd be traded (which also fits within the Rams' cap structure) and then do a sign and trade. Few if any teams seem to be enthralled with negotiating with his agents (quite justifiably it seems), so I don't imagine things are going to happen quickly, if at all.

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              • #8
                Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                Clarification Old Ram. The rams dont get any compensation unless they tag him again. Otherwise, when his contract expires at the end of this year, he would be an unrestricted free agent and he could do whatever he wanted. We would get a draft pick from the league in the future if that happened, a #3 at best, but no compensation directly from the team that signed him.

                ramming speed to all

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                • #9
                  Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                  Originally posted by general counsel
                  Clarification Old Ram. The rams dont get any compensation unless they tag him again. Otherwise, when his contract expires at the end of this year, he would be an unrestricted free agent and he could do whatever he wanted. We would get a draft pick from the league in the future if that happened, a #3 at best, but no compensation directly from the team that signed him.

                  ramming speed to all

                  general counsel
                  True, I was simply assuming that the pattern of the past couple years (tender contract only and franchise tag) repeated itself.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                    Though very glad to finally have him back in Rams uniform, I wonder how awkward it must be ... to be around the rest of the team, everyone else having worked long and hard in training camp, responsibly.

                    As much as I want the Big O to remain a Ram (for sure this season), now I feel in agreement with CoyBacon, to the possibility of releasing him next year. I've seen enough of this "holdout specialty".

                    It's time to go to work Orlando. Do your due diligence with honest dedication, with All-Pro form and loyalty! No favoritism or special privileges -- quite the contrary, you owe the team for their patience and friendship.

                    Do your thing at OT for the team. DO IT!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                      I am done with the drama, the effort and money that goes into convincing Pace to play for the Rams. I can't believe he gets to skip the pre-season and then land $7 Million for the season. It doesn't seem right to me. I find it offensive that an offensive lineman can make this kind of money.

                      I know he is rated as a very good/pro-bowl type player, but I would not pursue a contract with him if I ran the HO.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                        with the money we save from the uniform, we should be able to kit the rest of the team out LOL

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                          Originally posted by Jorge Valdivia
                          As much as I want the Big O to remain a Ram (for sure this season), now I feel in agreement with CoyBacon, to the possibility of releasing him next year. I've seen enough of this "holdout specialty".
                          I hope by advocating that we release Pace, you mean trade instead. It would be absolutely worthless for us to just release Pace or let him test the market. At least if we could trade him, we'd get some value in return.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                            I'm sure the merry go around with Pace will start again next off-season, Pace will get the tag again, there is noway the Rams will let their All-PRO walk free for nothing... no way!!!


                            steve :ramlogo:
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                            • #15
                              Re: Pace signs tender, will play vs. arizona

                              Originally posted by UtterBlitz
                              I find it offensive that an offensive lineman can make this kind of money.
                              Is this a matter that linemen don't deserve this kind of money in comparison to QBs or others? Or is it that this lineman shouldn't get this kind of money for his antics? Or shouldn't athletes get this kind of money for playing a sport?

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                              • Nick
                                How long is too long for Pace and the Postons?
                                by Nick
                                Just thinking out loud here after watching a disappointing Outside the Lines (see General NFL Talk), but the more I thought about the situation, the more I began to wonder...

                                How long is too long when it comes to waiting for Pace and the Postons to reach a reasonable long term contract with the Rams?

                                Obviously with the increasing amount of the franchise tag on Orlando Pace, as well as other players who we might want to retain using that tag, we can't tag Pace year in and year out. This is the second year in a row the tag has been placed on Pace, and while Orlando's comments in March were optimistic about a long-term deal being done this fall, we've yet to see or hear anything from him that would indicate that's still the case.

                                So for a moment, let's assume that Pace signs the tender during the preseason and once again fails to sign a long-term deal. At what point do the Rams begin to look for a viable replacement at left tackle, thus marking the beginning of the end of their dealings with Pace and the Postons? Does such a point exist?

                                Personally, I think that if the Rams and Pace can't reach a long-term deal by next spring when the time to franchise Orlando comes again, the Rams should begin considering alternative answers for the left tackle position. I'll be the first to tell you that Pace is one of the most valuable offensive linemen in the game, but the Rams cannot afford to be held hostage like this for many more seasons. Plus, I believe in the 2005 draft, there will be a number of good (not elite, but very good) tackle prospects, guys like Alex Barron or Jammal Brown, who may not be able to play as well as Pace, but should be very adequate and efficient players. Also, it's hard to tell who might be available in free agency, too.

                                The bottom line is I don't see the Postons bending to lower demands, and I'm not convinced that Pace is going to give them the boot any time soon. As much as the Rams may want to continue tagging Pace year after year (I think an interview with Zygmunt alluded to this), I don't think that's going to be an option after another season or two.
                                -08-09-2004, 12:01 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                The door is open--Jones signs
                                by RamWraith
                                With Walter Jones signing a 7 year deal does this means Pace should be around the corner?? IT BETTER BE!!

                                PS-Jones deal averages about 7 million a year
                                -02-16-2005, 10:30 AM
                              • Yodude
                                Pace
                                by Yodude
                                I just read at the "old site" that Pace is "very close" to signing a long-term contract. Has anyone here heard anything to that effect?
                                -07-07-2004, 11:58 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Pace fires his agent--Thomas
                                by RamWraith
                                BY JIM THOMAS
                                Post-Dispatch
                                09/14/2004
                                Last March, Orlando Pace strongly hinted that he was contemplating changing agents.

                                ``There will probably be some changes in the future,'' he told the Post-Dispatch on March 25.

                                Turns out Pace wasn't kidding. Pace has fired Houston-based agent Carl Poston as his representative in contract negotiations.

                                The NFL Players Association confirmed Tuesday that Pace filed termination papers on Sept. 2.

                                Under normal procedures, both the agent and the NFLPA receives notification when a player is firing an agent. The player must wait at least five days before hiring a new agent, to make sure the old agent has had sufficient time to be notified that he is being terminated.

                                ``At this point (Pace) has not signed with anybody,'' an NFLPA official said Tuesday.

                                According to NFLPA documents, when Pace signed his one-year, $7.02 million tender on Sept. 5, under the ``agent'' heading he listed himself.

                                Contracts must be signed both by the player and his agent. Rams president of football operations Jay Zygmunt confirmed Tuesday that Pace's signature appears under both the ``player'' and ``agent'' headings on the contract.

                                ``He did sign his contract representing himself,'' Zygmunt said. ``In all honesty, he said he was representing himself. That's all he said.''

                                Zygmunt figured it wasn't the place or the time to ask Pace whether he was firing Poston or hiring a new agent. Even on Tuesday, Zygmunt said, ``I haven't been advised of anything.''

                                The mere act of Pace signing the contract as his own agent potentially cost Poston as much as $210,000. NFL agents can charge clients as much as 3 percent on any contract.

                                (Some agents don't charge when a player signs a franchise tender, because in essence it's a non-negotiated contract.)

                                In any event, there had been much confusion on the matter recently. In an interview with local media Thursday at Rams Park, Pace seemed to give Poston a vote of confidence, saying in part, ``I always have confidence in the people that represent me. . . .''

                                But in hindsight, those remarks might have been misinterpreted, because he never specifically mentioned Carl Poston, or his brother Kevin Poston, in those comments.

                                Then on Sunday, FOX television reported that Pace was terminating his relationship with Poston. But after the game, Pace first hedged on the subject, then seemed to issue a denial that he had fired Poston.

                                One reason Pace may be reluctant to confirm firing Poston is that he almost certainly will be bombarded by agents seeking his services. In addition, Pace is a private person who -- believe it or not -- doesn't like controversy.

                                Regardless, the NFLPA document makes it official. So does the fact that Poston's name is not on the one-year contract....
                                -09-14-2004, 05:20 PM
                              • ZigZagRam
                                All Indications Say PACE SIGNED!
                                by ZigZagRam
                                Big Orlando was just on 590 KFNS and it appears that the Rams and Big O have reached a deal. Nothing is official but Pace said "I think the people in St. Louis will be very happy" and he's getting on a plane and hopes to have a deal done by the time he lands. I didn't hear the interview but I got the scoop from my father.

                                It will be replayed in the next hour so I will listen and try to give you all a recap.

                                This is good! This is very good!
                                -03-15-2005, 02:32 PM
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