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  • Showcase of Gordon Paid Off

    I'll admit... I'm surprised.

    I would not have guessed that the Rams would have been able to acquire a 3rd Round pick for Gordon.

    Not that Gordon doesn't have potential. He could prove to be a 1,000 yard back for the Dolphins.

    But with the Rams, he was a third string back with only moderate production in the past and a recent surgery.

    So how did the Rams get such a high price for him?

    Obviously, part of the reason is the Dolphins' deperate need for a back after Ricky Williams decided that the grass at Pro Player Stadium does not compare to the kind you buy in Amsterdam.

    But the Rams also played this one very well.

    First, Martz publicly chastised himself for suggesting that Gordon was soft after it was revealed that Lamar needed surgery to remove a bone chip. While I believe that was a sincere expression of regret by Martz, he also made sure that other teams heard his confession.

    Then, in the final preseason game, Gordon was deliberately showcased, as he was given the ball 24 times (22 carries, 2 receptions). He showed productivity and the ability to be a workhorse - and the Dolphins paid a higher than market value price because of this.

    While the Rams could regret the trade this year if the injury bug hits, in the long run, this should be a good trade for the Rams (and, for Lamar's sake, hopefully for the Dolphins as well).

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    Good points, Av. You have to wonder if Gordon saw such a heavy workload because the Rams wanted to show him off and show he was healthy to try and bait other teams like Miami.

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    • #3
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      I would agree - seems like this is a win-win deal (something you do not see a lot of these days). Of course, that could all change, the injury bug bites both ways.

      Overall - I LIKE IT!

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      • #4
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        Av, I think you hit the nail on the head. I'll bet that Martz planned to unload him all along, so along with the good verbal PR, he let him play a bunch. Advantage: Martz.

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        • #5
          Re: Showcase of Gordon Paid Off

          Originally posted by coy bacon
          Advantage: Martz.
          If the pick had been conditional, yes. Otherwise, at best it's a wash and at the worst, inflation will cost the Rams more to sign and keep a 3rd rounder next year.

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          • #6
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            Don't forget, if Gordon has a great season in Miami, we could be getting a decent compensatory pick.

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            • #7
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              we wouldnt get a compensatory pick for a traded player. that only applies to free agents.

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              • #8
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                No, but we will probably get a 3rd round compensatory pick for Wistrom, which would give us three picks in the third round.

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                • #9
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                  I hope we get a third for Wistrom, but I'm guessing it will be a 4th rounder. I don't understand how we didn't get a 3rd for Bly last year with the numbers he put up in Detroit.

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                  • #10
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                    Hmmm, maybe the Rams are looking at this more than just in real time. Package maybe two of those picks for a number two or one....

                    Hmmmm.....

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by txramsfan
                      Hmmm, maybe the Rams are looking at this more than just in real time. Package maybe two of those picks for a number two or one....

                      Hmmmm.....
                      Absolutely. Trade our 3rd and Miami's 3rd for a decent 2nd. Package our 2nd and the newly acquired 2nd for either a top 2nd or maybe low 1st. Use that pick to acquire a top O-lineman and still have our 1st to pick the proverbial "best player available".
                      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Showcase of Gordon Paid Off

                        Originally posted by HUbison
                        Absolutely. Trade our 3rd and Miami's 3rd for a decent 2nd. Package our 2nd and the newly acquired 2nd for either a top 2nd or maybe low 1st. Use that pick to acquire a top O-lineman and still have our 1st to pick the proverbial "best player available".
                        Not a bad idea. I think we'd be able to get one of the top tackle or guard prospects either at the late first or early second round. But is it worth giving up our entire third round? I probably couldn't say until a day or so before the draft. But I think there's enough good depth, especially at guard, to get someone on the first day who's going to make an impact.

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                        • #13
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                          The package idea is a good idea, but the Rams can't afford it. Taking the 3rd rounders are better off than the 2nd or 1st because we can get more bodies for less money. I don't see the Rams taking the trade because we have more question marks than needing just one body here or there.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Showcase of Gordon Paid Off

                            Originally posted by HUbison
                            Absolutely. Trade our 3rd and Miami's 3rd for a decent 2nd. Package our 2nd and the newly acquired 2nd for either a top 2nd or maybe low 1st. Use that pick to acquire a top O-lineman and still have our 1st to pick the proverbial "best player available".
                            I use this strategy in Madden and its easy to stockpile draft picks that way ... 1st you take in FAs that you can bundle under the cap and then trade them for draft picks ... then you bundle the picks for a higher pick ..., repeat, ... if its in the game, it must be in the NFL ...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Showcase of Gordon Paid Off

                              Originally posted by adarian_too
                              I use this strategy in Madden and its easy to stockpile draft picks that way ... 1st you take in FAs that you can bundle under the cap and then trade them for draft picks ... then you bundle the picks for a higher pick ..., repeat, ... if its in the game, it must be in the NFL ...
                              That is a nice trick. Do it right and you can wind up with the top 5 draft picks, if not more.

                              Unfortunately, in the real world, it would take a low 3rd (ours), a middle 3rd (Miami's), and a low 2nd (ours) to get a top 2nd or maybe (but I doubt it) a low 1st.

                              That would leave us with a low 1st (ours), probably high 2nd (from trade), & a very low 3rd (comp, w/ AV's assumption of Wistrom's value).

                              I could live with that.
                              The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                                -07-26-2004, 03:51 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Gordon on the Mend
                                by RamWraith
                                riday, August 27, 2004

                                By Nick Wagoner
                                Staff Writer

                                There has been no shortage of injuries to Rams’ running backs in the past few years. From the knee problems of Marshall Faulk to Arlen Harris’ slight concussion, the injuries have ranged from serious to minor. Lamar Gordon is no different from his backfield mates.

                                The only difference between Gordon and the other running backs is Gordon knew he was injured, but nobody else seemed to understand. Gordon complained about sharp pain in his left ankle for the better part of the past few years. He estimates that he has felt the pain since his junior year of college and had the foot looked at countless times.

                                A few weeks ago, the doctors finally found what Gordon knew was there all along. Gordon had what coach Mike Martz described as “chips” in his ankle that were almost undetectable. On Aug. 10, Gordon had surgery on the ankle at Barnes-Jewish West County Hospital in St. Louis.

                                Now that Gordon has had surgery on his left foot, he is back running and edging closer to being able to play in St. Louis’ season opener against Arizona on Sept. 12. His expected recovery time was about four weeks, but Gordon seems to be progressing slightly ahead of the curve. “It feels good to really feel no pain right now,” Gordon said. “I could always feel it, but sometimes it just swelled up too bad. I know the difference between that pain and a simple cut that has to heal and that pain was gone.”

                                Gordon ran for the first time on Wednesday and felt good enough after that session to run again Thursday afternoon. Gordon first had his foot looked at in college at North Dakota State, but had it checked numerous times, including at the combine. The injury did not show up in any of those checks and Gordon performed well enough for the Rams to draft him in the third round of the 2002 draft.

                                Gordon said it was exasperating to know he was injured, but none of the tests confirming his pain.

                                “It was so frustrating because I know my body,” Gordon said. “I have played football for a long time, I know when something’s sore, I know when’s something hurt, but I know from watching film if something is going to be bothering me.”

                                Martz had his doubts about the injury, but had no way of knowing that Gordon was hurt because he couldn’t see the injury on an X-Ray and couldn’t physically feel the pain. Martz publicly apologized to Gordon after he found out the injury was real.

                                Gordon said Martz didn’t owe him anything, but it was nice to hear the coach do it anyway.

                                “I guess it was cool,” Gordon said. “I never really thought about it like that. A lot of people asked me ‘We’re you like I told you so?’ I wasn’t really like that. I was just happy that they found it and I’m excited to get back.”

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                                -08-27-2004, 10:35 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Dolphins trade for Rams' RB Lamar Gordon
                                by RamWraith
                                By JASON COLE

                                [email protected]


                                The Dolphins completed a trade with St. Louis late Tuesday night to acquire running back Lamar Gordon in an attempt to upgrade their sagging running game.

                                According to an NFL source, the Dolphins made the move after several days of talks with the Rams and other teams. The Dolphins likely had to pay a steep price of either a third- or fourth-round pick for Gordon, but get a player they have liked for several years.

                                The deal is contingent upon Gordon passing a physical today. He left St. Louis early Wednesday morning. Gordon was a third-round pick in 2002 from North Dakota State and the Dolphins were considering him that year before completing a trade for Ricky Williams.

                                The 6-foot-1, 228-pound Gordon has played sparingly behind St. Louis star running back Marshall Faulk, rushing 136 times for 526 yards over his two seasons. He fell further on the depth chart with the Rams after the team took running back Steven Jackson in the first round this season, but St. Louis was reluctant to give him up because of fears that Faulk will breakdown physically.

                                Gordon, who is expected to take over for the combination of Travis Minor, Sammy Morris and Leonard Henry, has two years remaining on his contract at the league minimum salary.
                                -09-08-2004, 09:39 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                Martz regrets doubting RB Gordon
                                by RamWraith
                                By Jim Thomas
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                08/16/2004
                                MACOMB, Ill. - The left ankle problem cropped up in Lamar Gordon's first training camp with the Rams, in 2002. Before long, it became a recurring theme: Just when it seemed Gordon was laying the groundwork for a solid NFL career at running back, the ankle problem returned and he returned to the sideline.

                                It got to the point that some questioned his durability and toughness. Count coach Mike Martz in that group.

                                "I'm embarrassed and ashamed in my attitude towards him, because obviously he was in a great deal of pain," Martz said Monday. "When a guy is (complaining of pain), you've just got to trust what he's telling you. And this is one of the times in my career, I feel humiliated and feel stupid. I owe him an apology, because he certainly is very tough."

                                Trouble was, several medical examinations never showed anything that could be causing the pain that Gordon said he felt.

                                "We MRI-ed it. We did the X-rays. We did every diagnostic test we could," Martz said.

                                Yet Gordon would complain of pain, even though there often was no swelling in the ankle. Even Gordon began to doubt himself.

                                "We did all these tests, and they didn't find anything," Gordon said. "So I'm really thinking, 'I'm making this up myself.'"

                                Frustration sets in

                                The situation grew particularly frustrating in the current training camp.

                                "It really flared up as camp went on," Gordon said. "I was watching myself on film (of practice), and I was looking terrible. I was hurting so bad, I knew something was wrong. I couldn't even take it any more."

                                But finally, a bone scan was performed on the ankle, and it showed enough of an irregularity that surgery was necessary.

                                What Martz called a significant bone chip was found and removed from the ankle in surgery on Aug. 10.

                                To say that Gordon and the Rams were relieved to find the cause of the pain - and hopefully, eradicate it - would be big understatement.

                                "I'm just excited to go through the surgery process, get this healed up, and move on and play some ball," Gordon said.

                                Gordon returned to Macomb on Sunday, with his left leg encased in a small cast, and wielding a crutch to help him get around.

                                "I can pretty much walk around without it, but they're worried about my ankle swelling up, and splitting the stitches," Gordon said. "Because there's no pain when I walk."

                                Back by opener?

                                The cast comes off Friday, after which Gordon still has about 2 1/2 weeks of rehab time before he's ready to play. So is it realistic to think he could be ready for the season opener, Sept. 12 against Arizona?

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                                -08-17-2004, 06:41 AM
                              • RamWraith
                                No pain is gain as Gordon recovers from ankle surgery
                                by RamWraith
                                By Bill Coats
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
                                Sunday, Aug. 29 2004

                                It's been a good-news month for Rams running back Lamar Gordon.

                                First, he was informed that after a multitude of tests on his chronically sore
                                left ankle had failed to find the source of the problem, a bone chip had been
                                detected. Gordon, who had surgery Aug. 10, was both stunned and thrilled.

                                "I was like, 'Are you sure?'" he said. "Then I was thinking, 'This is it, this
                                is it.'"

                                Then, Gordon enjoyed another positive development when he woke up last
                                Wednesday morning, the day after he ran for the first time since the operation.
                                He was essentially pain-free. "That was the biggest challenge, to see how sore
                                I was going to be. And I'm feeling pretty good," Gordon said.

                                Feeling good was a luxury that Gordon hadn't experienced since he injured the
                                ankle while he was collecting virtually all of the major rushing records at
                                North Dakota State. The discomfort persisted, but doctors could detect no
                                damage.

                                Such was the case during his first two years with the Rams. He would complain,
                                exams would be made, nothing would show up.

                                Although Gordon was productive, rushing 136 times for 525 yards and catching 38
                                passes for 337 yards in those two seasons, coach Mike Martz acknowledged that
                                at times he questioned whether Gordon was tough enough for the NFL. After the
                                more recent diagnosis, Martz apologized profusely for doubting him.

                                "It was so frustrating," said Gordon, 24. "I know my body. I've been
                                playing football a long time, and I know when I'm sore or when something's
                                hurting and I can get through it. But this ... I couldn't really take it
                                anymore."

                                Gordon said that whenever he took a step, "it felt like there was something
                                sharp in my foot, and I wanted to get off that foot as quick as possible."

                                The original prognosis was that Gordon would be out a month, and he appears to
                                be on schedule. Martz said Gordon might be ready for the regular-season opener
                                Sept. 12 vs. Arizona at the Edward Jones Dome.

                                Whether it's that Sunday or the next, Gordon simply is enjoying being able to
                                move without the nagging sting in his ankle. "I was just happy that they found
                                it, and I'm excited to get back," he said.


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