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  • Should Martz be so candid?

    Mike Martz is not like most coaches. When he makes a mistake, he has no qualms about saying so to the press. He divulged his scoreboard gaffe after the preseason game against Oakland, and volunteered on Sunday that he had made bad play calls in the red zone.

    My initial reaction to this was to want to tell Martz that he might want to keep these things to himself (or, at least, within the locker room). By describing his errors with such candor, he only adds fuel to the fire of his detractors, who are itching to take him to task in the media and on fan sites.

    But then I heard Marc Bulger respond when told by a reporter about Martz's statements about his red zone play calling. Marc said that it wasn't the playcalling, but rather the execution of the players that resulted in the failure to score TDs.

    Interesting reaction. The Coach takes responsibility, then the QB shifts the blame back on the players.

    Perhaps this is what is intended. Perhaps Martz's goal is to create an atmosphere of responsibility and accountability - starting at the top. Perhaps, Martz would rather show his team that everyone, including him, is accountable - even if it fans the flames of his critics - so that they react the same way when they make mistakes.

    Of course, I'm sure some will contend that I'm giving Martz too much credit. Maybe. But something tells me that Martz is a lot more sly than most think.

  • #2
    Re: Should Martz be so candid?

    Martz will always take up for his players. He always has. I don't care if most fans thinks he's lying, or playing Rain Man.....whatever. He defends his players and he should keep doing what he is doing. The Rams are defying the critics and success starts at the top.


    • #3
      Re: Should Martz be so candid?

      Originally posted by AV
      By describing his errors with such candor, he only adds fuel to the fire of his detractors, who are itching to take him to task in the media and on fan sites.
      Avenger brings up a great point here. What is criticism without accountability? The media and fans don't sign his paycheck. Why should he even care what these groups think. These groups are going to criticize, it's what they do. So why not act as a lightening rod for his players. When players draw attention to themselves, it's usually not a good thing. I mean which gets more press, Ricky Williams' weed problem or Marshal Faulk's charity work? So it is in the best interest of the team for Martz to pull these boners in the line of sight of press and fans, as long as they keep winning. And that is all that matters to those critics who Martz IS accountable to --- the FO.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.


      • #4
        Re: Should Martz be so candid?

        That is a very good point. A coach who sticks up for his players is going to get the most out of them. Before 99' most players wouldn't even dream of playing for the RAMS. But now, it is one of the best places to play. I think the coaching may have something to do with that.

        Adm. William "Bull" Halsey


        • #5
          Re: Should Martz be so candid?

          Let me answer a question with a question:

          After reading this quote from him: - On the red-zone inefficiency:

          "There were a couple of situations in the red zone where basically I screwed up the verbiage in it and we had to call a timeout."

          - is it not also time for him to admit, that if his playbook can be too complicated for himself, it's time to hold himself accountable for making the adjustments that come with accepting blame, so the mistakes are not repeated? And if the same mistakes are repeated, does this not show that one is not holdng themselves accountable, and therefore the candor is merely a ploy to disarm critics and defuse controversy?


          • #6
            Re: Should Martz be so candid?

            You could have a point, as self deprication can be an effective tool to temper criticism (sort of a preemptive strike, if you will). There may be some of that motivation, but I also truly believe that Martz wishes to convey to his players that EVERYONE is accountable.


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            • eldfan
              Let's hope Martz proves us wrong with his madness
              by eldfan
              Let's hope Martz proves us wrong with his madness
              By Bryan Burwell
              Of the Post-Dispatch

              Sports Columnist Bryan Burwell

              If most of the football world already thought Mike Martz was a maddeningly stubborn football eccentric more than willing to bite off his nose to spite his face, wait until they get a load of him now.

              At his Monday afternoon news conference at Rams Park, the Rams head coach fiercely defended his swashbuckling way of football life as if ... well, as if his life depended on it, which in a way it probably does. He is coaching an obviously flawed football team with a 1-2 record and a defense that is springing more leaks than the Titanic. But as Martz relies on his signature aggressive offensive methods for rescuing this young but very shaky season, he knows he's being confronted with outside resistance.

              He is surrounded by a world full of conventional football thinkers who want to fit this aggressive, damn-the-torpedoes square peg into a very conservative round hole. We want him to play it by the old-school book. If the defense can't stop anyone - and after three weeks of play, there is faint evidence that this bloodied and battered group can - then why not go with a clock-gobbling, smash-mouth style of offense that relies on Marshall Faulk's fleet feet and Steven Jackson's brutish blasts?

              In essence, what we want is for Martz to stay inside the lines, which of course is just about the most repugnant thing you can say to a guy with his aggressive offensive temperament. Why not just ask dogs to start living with cats?

              "Look ... look ... don't ... uhhh," he said, practically spitting out the words like they were a bad piece of meat. "You need to find another coach, then. We're going to play fast and furious, that's what we do. We're going to run it when we ... want to run it, not because somebody (uh, that would be you and me) feels like you have to be balanced."

              He smiled almost defiantly when he said that. And just in case you didn't understand it the first time, Martz put this exclamation point on his soliloquy:

              "That's the way it is. Get used to it. That's the way it is."

              Now here's what I learned from this rather revealing State of the Rams address: Mike Martz doesn't particularly care what the outside world thinks he should do. He has a plan, and he's going to stick with it. It may not be the plan you want, but it's the plan you're going to get. And here's something else gleaned from Martz's feisty words: He will get every opportunity over the next 13 weeks to either sink or swim with his convictions.

              I don't presume to know more about football than Martz. His credentials as an offensive innovator and a football motivator are certified by his impressive NFL head-coaching won-loss record, a trip to the Super Bowl, and...
              -09-28-2004, 05:41 AM
            • AvengerRam_old
              3 Things Martz is Unjustly Criticized For
              by AvengerRam_old
              Before I get to the list... a disclaimer. I am NOT trying to argue that Martz is flawless or even that he is a "great" coach. Frankly, I go back and forth on my support of Martz as much as anyone else. That said, I think that there are a few things that fans and the media criticize Martz for unjustly, and here are the top 3:

              1. "Martz can't draft": There are two reasons why this criticism is unfair. First, Martz is hardly solely responsible for the Rams selections. While he clearly has had a couple of "pet" picks that have not worked out (Canidate, Crouch), it is also likely that some of the picks that missed were favorites of Armey and, possibly, Lovie Smith. Second, the Rams have made some real quality picks under Martz, including real "finds" like Jeremetrius Butler, Travis Fisher, Anthony Hargrove and even a guy like Chris Massey. Is Martz a draft "genius"? No. Is he totally inept? Again, no.

              2. "Martz needlessly burns timeouts and challenges": I've heard this one so many times, particularly from the morons on ESPN. But ask yourself this question: how many times have the Rams scored on drives when Martz slowed things down with a timeout or a challenge, as compared to the number of times the Rams were truly burned by the lack of timeouts or challenges at the end of a half or game. Frankly, I can only think of one example of the latter - when the Rams would have benefitted against Tampa had they saved a challenge. Just because something is unorthodox, doesn't mean its wrong.

              3. "Martz is going to play a QB at WR...": A lot of teams change the positions of players. While converting a QB to another position is unusual, it has worked. Look at Antuan Randel-El (who the Rams were high on, but missed out on taking, when they took Eric Crouch). Heck, Nolan Cromwell was a converted QB.

              So, if you want to say Martz sometimes abandons the run... I'm with you (though, interestingly, he does so no more than they do in Indianapolis, and you never hear anyone calling their coaches "Mad"). If you want to say that he sometimes says too much publicly when he should just pull a Bill Parcells "no comment," no argument there.

              But some of the stereotypical Martz-bashing themes are simply not warranted.
              -03-28-2005, 09:37 AM
            • AvengerRam_old
              Martz may not be the best, but he deserves better
              by AvengerRam_old
              In case you have not noticed, I'm not happy with the way Martz is being treated.

              I accept the fact that the Rams might actully benefit next year from a new coaching staff, a new philosophy, and all that comes with it.

              But, after the years he's put in, and the success he's brought, Mike Martz deserves better.

              He deserves better than having innuendo and speculation about his future plastered everywhere while he sits at home with an I.V. in his arm.

              He deserves better than to have the media and fans fawn over a lifetime assistant coach as if he's the second coming of Vince Lombardi just because he won a couple of games.

              He deserves better than to have reporters expressing their "concern for him" with one side of their pen, and writing stories about his demise with the other.

              If this is to be his last year with the Rams, so be it.

              But this is no way for him to go.
              -11-02-2005, 08:08 AM
            • GasBag
              How long before Martz ruins Rams?
              by GasBag
              Forum rules:

              "By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

              You might consider this as obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws, but is intended as a legitimate question for those that care the most about the Rams.

              How long will you allow Martz to run down the Rams before you insist he be fired?
              -09-07-2001, 07:04 AM
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              Martz Has To Go.... PERIOD!!!!!
              by Guest
              I know there are alot of Martz fans here, but he has to go. it is his responsibility to get his team ready for each game and he clearly didn't get the job done.

              he had 2 weeks to prepare for this game and the Patriots were descimated in the secondary. this should have been a big win. instead it is a big loss.

              I've heard all the arguements that this team does not have the talent on the defensive side of the ball or the offensive line. but you can't tell me if Belichek was coaching this team that he would be getting the most out of this team and they would be winning.

              the Patriots don't have superstars on their team. can you even name an offensive lineman on the Patriots? exactly my point. no real superstars but dominating the NFL.

              Belichek chould turn this team around with the same personel. no doubt about it. Martz has not made the most of his tenure and that is why it is time for him to go.

              now, will the Rmas actually fire him? NO!!!!! they will blame it on the defense and fire Marmie and Martz will skate by again.

              sorry Martz fans and supporters, but you know I am right about this.

              if another coach could make winners out of the dame personel and the coach you have can't, it's time to fire the coach.
              -11-07-2004, 07:49 PM