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    Last March, Orlando Pace strongly hinted that he was contemplating changing agents.

    ``There will probably be some changes in the future,'' he told the Post-Dispatch on March 25.

    Turns out Pace wasn't kidding. Pace has fired Houston-based agent Carl Poston as his representative in contract negotiations.

    The NFL Players Association confirmed Tuesday that Pace filed termination papers on Sept. 2.

    Under normal procedures, both the agent and the NFLPA receives notification when a player is firing an agent. The player must wait at least five days before hiring a new agent, to make sure the old agent has had sufficient time to be notified that he is being terminated.

    ``At this point (Pace) has not signed with anybody,'' an NFLPA official said Tuesday.

    According to NFLPA documents, when Pace signed his one-year, $7.02 million tender on Sept. 5, under the ``agent'' heading he listed himself.

    Contracts must be signed both by the player and his agent. Rams president of football operations Jay Zygmunt confirmed Tuesday that Pace's signature appears under both the ``player'' and ``agent'' headings on the contract.

    ``He did sign his contract representing himself,'' Zygmunt said. ``In all honesty, he said he was representing himself. That's all he said.''

    Zygmunt figured it wasn't the place or the time to ask Pace whether he was firing Poston or hiring a new agent. Even on Tuesday, Zygmunt said, ``I haven't been advised of anything.''

    The mere act of Pace signing the contract as his own agent potentially cost Poston as much as $210,000. NFL agents can charge clients as much as 3 percent on any contract.

    (Some agents don't charge when a player signs a franchise tender, because in essence it's a non-negotiated contract.)

    In any event, there had been much confusion on the matter recently. In an interview with local media Thursday at Rams Park, Pace seemed to give Poston a vote of confidence, saying in part, ``I always have confidence in the people that represent me. . . .''

    But in hindsight, those remarks might have been misinterpreted, because he never specifically mentioned Carl Poston, or his brother Kevin Poston, in those comments.

    Then on Sunday, FOX television reported that Pace was terminating his relationship with Poston. But after the game, Pace first hedged on the subject, then seemed to issue a denial that he had fired Poston.

    One reason Pace may be reluctant to confirm firing Poston is that he almost certainly will be bombarded by agents seeking his services. In addition, Pace is a private person who -- believe it or not -- doesn't like controversy.

    Regardless, the NFLPA document makes it official. So does the fact that Poston's name is not on the one-year contract.

    This may also explain Poston's comments to the Post-Dispatch on the night of Sept. 5. Right around the time Pace was signing his tender at Rams Park, Poston said from Houston:

    ``I've encouraged him to come in. I've instructed him to sign the one-year tender. But I can't make the big fellow come in. He's frustrated with the team.''

    Poston either wasn't yet aware that he had been fired by Pace, or didn't want it to become public knowledge. On Tuesday, Pace and Poston did not return phone messages from the Post-Dispatch.

  • #2
    Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

    I certainly like where this is going.


    • #3
      Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

      I'm very interested to see who he hires.


      • #4
        Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

        Why hire anyone at this point?

        The guy has already made enough to live comfortably the rest of him life and he knows he has hit pay dirt. One have someone come in and take a percentage. I hasn't worked the way he wanted it for the last 3 years.


        • #5
          Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

          Add your own melody behind these lyrics.

          Got some jingle in my pocket....
          I don't owe a single Dime....
          Got a tune that I'm hummin....
          Walkin in the spring time......
          Cause come rain or shine everything will work out fine......
          I said come rain or shine everything will work out fine......

          do da do da do do...


          • #6
            Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

            Guido the Killer Pimp could be his agent for all I care, if he comes ready to play like he did last Sunday every year I DON'T want him in training camp. Ever.


            • #7
              Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

              Good for the big fella.
              "You people point your 'f'in' finger and say theres the bad guy....what that make you....good?" Tony Montana


              • #8
                Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

                With as much as we fans think we know best for the team and players, I'd be curious to know the real reason Pace parted company. The path of least resistance would have been to let things go the way they always have gone. Why the change, Orlando?


                • #9
                  Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

                  Ahem, I'm free ;)

                  Keeping the Rams Nation Talking


                  • #10
                    Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

                    Originally posted by adarian_too
                    With as much as we fans think we know best for the team and players, I'd be curious to know the real reason Pace parted company. The path of least resistance would have been to let things go the way they always have gone. Why the change, Orlando?
                    I wouldn't doubt that he was pressured (a strong word, maybe just "advised") by a few teammates.


                    • #11
                      Re: Pace fires his agent--Thomas

                      Originally posted by adarian_too
                      Why the change, Orlando?
                      Maybe the Postons wanted a slice of is franchise tender. A slice that, I am sure you will agree, they didn't deserve. All the Postons did was make it really hard for the RAMS to negotiate, then threw out an offer at the last second that the RAMS had no opportunity to repsond to.

                      Maybe Pace felt they spent too much time getting deals done for their other clients, and left him (and the RAMS) hanging.

                      It could also be that all wasn't really fine in the locker room, and his team-mates let him know (behind closed doors) that his agents were messing up the team, and possibly his career.



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                      • RamWraith
                        Poston is suing Pace
                        by RamWraith
                        Rams | Former agent suing Pace
                        Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:57:57 -0700

                        Mike Martindale, of the Detroit News, reports St. Louis Rams OT Orlando Pace is being sued by agent Carl Poston. Poston said he's now blocking Pace from his rightful $436,916 arbitration award. Poston has filed a lawsuit in Oakland Circuit Court, Michigan seeking the amount entered by a National Football League arbitration award May 10. Pace was obligated to pay Poston within 10 days. Pace was designated the Rams' franchise player in 2003 when Poston negotiated a one-year, $5.7 million contract. Roger Kaplan, an arbitrator with the National Football League Players Association, found Poston was owed 3 percent for that contract, $213,478, plus interest, as well as $210,630 for Pace's $7 million contract for 2004. Pace had a different agent when he landed a six-year $52.3 million contract, in 2005.
                        -08-02-2006, 05:04 PM
                      • Nick
                        PFT: Postons will want paid
                        by Nick
                        POSTONS WILL WANT TO GET PAID

                        Notwithstanding all the ass clapping in the NFL community about the Poston brothers losing their star client Orlando Pace of the Rams, don't think the Hard Ass brothers will not tried to get paid their fee incident to Pace recently signing -- listing himself as his agent -- the $7.02 million franchise tender offer with the Rams. In a article written by Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the suggestion is made that Pace could have saved himself almost $210,000 in agent fees (if the Postons charged him the maximum NFLPA-allowed fee of 3%) by sh-t canning the Torture Brothers before signing his new contract.

                        We hear, however, that if Pace does not pay, the Postons will most likely attempt to recover their fee from The Mammoth One (or as much as they can get) via the grievance process promulgated by NFLPA regulations -- their argument primarily being that the signature by Pace on the contract sans agent was merely a formality and a byproduct of the ongoing negotiation process (is asking for a $27 million signing bonus negotiation or hallucination?), thereby entitling the Postons to their fee.

                        In fact, this strategy can be confirmed by recent statements of Carl Poston, which he stated: "'I've encouraged him to come in. I've instructed him to sign the one-year tender. But I can't make the big fellow come in. He's frustrated with the team.'''

                        Our prediction: Pace doesn't pay. Postons file a grievance. Pace and Postons eventually settle. It will interesting to see if the Brothers Harsh will be as tough in getting their own fee as they are in trying to get dough for their clients.
                        -09-17-2004, 06:31 PM
                      • RamWraith
                        Pace weighs in on his stance in contract talks
                        by RamWraith
                        By Jim Thomas
                        Of the Post-Dispatch
                        Thursday, Sep. 09 2004

                        There may be no way to close the negotiating - and monetary - gap between
                        Orlando Pace and the Rams. But at least Pace has learned to make the most of
                        his time away from the Rams in terms of conditioning.

                        "I feel light years better than I did last year," Pace said Thursday. "Just
                        losing about 20 pounds. I feel a lot quicker, a lot fresher."

                        Pace reported at 325 pounds Sunday, about 20 pounds lighter than last season,
                        when he also boycotted all team activities and skipped training camp in a
                        contract impasse. After his initial practices last season, Pace felt winded.
                        Three practices into his 2004 season, that hasn't been the case.

                        "I feel great," Pace said. "Compared to last year, it's like night and day.
                        After taking a few reps, you're a little winded as everybody is, but not nearly
                        as bad as last year."

                        Pace trained a little differently this offseason, but the major factor in his
                        improved conditioning was an improved diet.

                        "I cut down on my fried foods," Pace said. "I tried to cut down on my soda, and
                        things like that."

                        Even at the heavier weight last year, Pace played surprisingly well at the
                        start of the season. So in theory, he could be even more impressive in his
                        trimmer, better-conditioned state.

                        "I watched (practice) tape, and it looks like he's been here all camp," coach
                        Mike Martz said. "Honest to goodness it does. No mental errors. He's quick.
                        He's physical. ... He's not sluggish.

                        "At this time last year, he was very sluggish. The conditioning was a factor
                        for him last year. So I'm very pleased with where he is. He's obviously been
                        very conscientious about being in shape and ready to go, and it's much
                        appreciated by all of us."

                        If only things could go as smoothly on the negotiating front.

                        "I'm always hoping that they can get a deal done - for security reasons, and
                        things like that," Pace said. "The possibility's still there. But I think at
                        the end of the year, they'll try to hammer something out, or else I'll be
                        franchised again."

                        Pace's "end-of-the-year" comment was curious, because now that he has signed
                        the one-year, $7.02 million tender offer, the sides actually can begin
                        negotiating again.

                        Under league rule, any talks came to a halt following a March 17 negotiating
                        deadline. Since Sunday, when Pace signed the tender, the sides can talk again.

                        A few weeks after the Rams' playoff loss to Carolina on Jan. 10, the Rams
                        offered Pace a seven-year,...
                        -09-10-2004, 06:19 AM
                      • RamWraith
                        Pace Enjoying Offseason Work
                        by RamWraith
                        By Nick Wagoner
                        Staff Writer

                        Orlando Pace doesn’t remember where he was at this time last year. The one place he knows he wasn’t was Rams Park for the team’s veteran mini-camp.

                        “I probably was working out, just hanging out with my kids. I’m not much of a golfer, so I was probably just chillin’ at home,” Pace said.

                        For the first time since 2002, the Rams’ All-Pro left tackle is attending the team’s veteran mini-camp. Pace missed each of the past two mini-camps because of a contract stalemate.

                        Armed with a new seven-year, $52.9 million deal and the title of team captain, Pace seems rejuvenated. Soon after signing the long-term contract, Pace received a call from coach Mike Martz telling him that he was going to be a captain.

                        The decision to make Pace a captain was easy for Martz.

                        “Just the tempo of which he does things, he is just a great role model for the entire offensive line,” Martz said. “We have some guys that are first-time starters and first-time here. He’s a terrific role model (for them).”

                        Pace’s long and winding road from the first pick in the 1997 draft to six-time Pro Bowler has brought many achievements, but he has never been a team captain before. Pace left Ohio State a year early after winning the Lombardi Trophy as the best offensive lineman two years in a row. Because of his early departure, Pace never led the Buckeyes, as Ohio State reserves that honor for seniors.

                        Of course, Pace was not a captain in recent seasons because he wasn’t around. Without a long-term deal in place, the Rams placed the franchise tag on Pace in each of the past three seasons.

                        The past two years, Pace has not attended any of the mini-camps or training camps because of the franchise tag. In his efforts to get a long-term contract done, he chose to stay away.

                        The time missed didn’t hurt Pace’s performance much, as he still made the Pro Bowl both years. There was, however, a noticeable difference in Pace’s performance last season. Pace admitted on the day he signed his contract that he didn’t play up to his all-world potential last year and an offseason of normal training would probably rectify that.

                        Now, Pace knows he has a chance to be at his absolute best next year, a scary thought for opposing defenses.

                        “I think sometimes what gets lost in holding out is you don’t have a chance to work on your game as much,” Pace said. “I think just being here in the offseason gives you a chance to work on your game and really try to hone your skills.”

                        Last season was particularly difficult for Pace, not only because of his uncertain contract status, but also because of the revolving door next to him at left guard and on the other end at right tackle.

                        Both of those problems seem to be solved, though, as St. Louis signed Rex Tucker to operate next to Pace...
                        -06-04-2005, 03:35 PM
                      • Nick
                        How long is too long for Pace and the Postons?
                        by Nick
                        Just thinking out loud here after watching a disappointing Outside the Lines (see General NFL Talk), but the more I thought about the situation, the more I began to wonder...

                        How long is too long when it comes to waiting for Pace and the Postons to reach a reasonable long term contract with the Rams?

                        Obviously with the increasing amount of the franchise tag on Orlando Pace, as well as other players who we might want to retain using that tag, we can't tag Pace year in and year out. This is the second year in a row the tag has been placed on Pace, and while Orlando's comments in March were optimistic about a long-term deal being done this fall, we've yet to see or hear anything from him that would indicate that's still the case.

                        So for a moment, let's assume that Pace signs the tender during the preseason and once again fails to sign a long-term deal. At what point do the Rams begin to look for a viable replacement at left tackle, thus marking the beginning of the end of their dealings with Pace and the Postons? Does such a point exist?

                        Personally, I think that if the Rams and Pace can't reach a long-term deal by next spring when the time to franchise Orlando comes again, the Rams should begin considering alternative answers for the left tackle position. I'll be the first to tell you that Pace is one of the most valuable offensive linemen in the game, but the Rams cannot afford to be held hostage like this for many more seasons. Plus, I believe in the 2005 draft, there will be a number of good (not elite, but very good) tackle prospects, guys like Alex Barron or Jammal Brown, who may not be able to play as well as Pace, but should be very adequate and efficient players. Also, it's hard to tell who might be available in free agency, too.

                        The bottom line is I don't see the Postons bending to lower demands, and I'm not convinced that Pace is going to give them the boot any time soon. As much as the Rams may want to continue tagging Pace year after year (I think an interview with Zygmunt alluded to this), I don't think that's going to be an option after another season or two.
                        -08-09-2004, 01:01 AM