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    Notwithstanding all the ass clapping in the NFL community about the Poston brothers losing their star client Orlando Pace of the Rams, don't think the Hard Ass brothers will not tried to get paid their fee incident to Pace recently signing -- listing himself as his agent -- the $7.02 million franchise tender offer with the Rams. In a article written by Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the suggestion is made that Pace could have saved himself almost $210,000 in agent fees (if the Postons charged him the maximum NFLPA-allowed fee of 3%) by sh-t canning the Torture Brothers before signing his new contract.

    We hear, however, that if Pace does not pay, the Postons will most likely attempt to recover their fee from The Mammoth One (or as much as they can get) via the grievance process promulgated by NFLPA regulations -- their argument primarily being that the signature by Pace on the contract sans agent was merely a formality and a byproduct of the ongoing negotiation process (is asking for a $27 million signing bonus negotiation or hallucination?), thereby entitling the Postons to their fee.

    In fact, this strategy can be confirmed by recent statements of Carl Poston, which he stated: "'I've encouraged him to come in. I've instructed him to sign the one-year tender. But I can't make the big fellow come in. He's frustrated with the team.'''

    Our prediction: Pace doesn't pay. Postons file a grievance. Pace and Postons eventually settle. It will interesting to see if the Brothers Harsh will be as tough in getting their own fee as they are in trying to get dough for their clients.

  • #2
    Re: PFT: Postons will want paid

    Originally posted by NickSeiler
    their argument primarily being that the signature by Pace on the contract sans agent was merely a formality and a byproduct of the ongoing negotiation process
    There was an ongoing negotiation process? I must have missed that.


    • #3
      Re: PFT: Postons will want paid

      Here, here Av. The Postons are an embarassment to their profession.


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        Last March, Orlando Pace strongly hinted that he was contemplating changing agents.

        ``There will probably be some changes in the future,'' he told the Post-Dispatch on March 25.

        Turns out Pace wasn't kidding. Pace has fired Houston-based agent Carl Poston as his representative in contract negotiations.

        The NFL Players Association confirmed Tuesday that Pace filed termination papers on Sept. 2.

        Under normal procedures, both the agent and the NFLPA receives notification when a player is firing an agent. The player must wait at least five days before hiring a new agent, to make sure the old agent has had sufficient time to be notified that he is being terminated.

        ``At this point (Pace) has not signed with anybody,'' an NFLPA official said Tuesday.

        According to NFLPA documents, when Pace signed his one-year, $7.02 million tender on Sept. 5, under the ``agent'' heading he listed himself.

        Contracts must be signed both by the player and his agent. Rams president of football operations Jay Zygmunt confirmed Tuesday that Pace's signature appears under both the ``player'' and ``agent'' headings on the contract.

        ``He did sign his contract representing himself,'' Zygmunt said. ``In all honesty, he said he was representing himself. That's all he said.''

        Zygmunt figured it wasn't the place or the time to ask Pace whether he was firing Poston or hiring a new agent. Even on Tuesday, Zygmunt said, ``I haven't been advised of anything.''

        The mere act of Pace signing the contract as his own agent potentially cost Poston as much as $210,000. NFL agents can charge clients as much as 3 percent on any contract.

        (Some agents don't charge when a player signs a franchise tender, because in essence it's a non-negotiated contract.)

        In any event, there had been much confusion on the matter recently. In an interview with local media Thursday at Rams Park, Pace seemed to give Poston a vote of confidence, saying in part, ``I always have confidence in the people that represent me. . . .''

        But in hindsight, those remarks might have been misinterpreted, because he never specifically mentioned Carl Poston, or his brother Kevin Poston, in those comments.

        Then on Sunday, FOX television reported that Pace was terminating his relationship with Poston. But after the game, Pace first hedged on the subject, then seemed to issue a denial that he had fired Poston.

        One reason Pace may be reluctant to confirm firing Poston is that he almost certainly will be bombarded by agents seeking his services. In addition, Pace is a private person who -- believe it or not -- doesn't like controversy.

        Regardless, the NFLPA document makes it official. So does the fact that Poston's name is not on the one-year contract....
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        Pace weighs in on his stance in contract talks
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        By Jim Thomas
        Of the Post-Dispatch
        Thursday, Sep. 09 2004

        There may be no way to close the negotiating - and monetary - gap between
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        his time away from the Rams in terms of conditioning.

        "I feel light years better than I did last year," Pace said Thursday. "Just
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        Pace reported at 325 pounds Sunday, about 20 pounds lighter than last season,
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        "I feel great," Pace said. "Compared to last year, it's like night and day.
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        Pace trained a little differently this offseason, but the major factor in his
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        "I cut down on my fried foods," Pace said. "I tried to cut down on my soda, and
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        Even at the heavier weight last year, Pace played surprisingly well at the
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        "I watched (practice) tape, and it looks like he's been here all camp," coach
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        He's physical. ... He's not sluggish.

        "At this time last year, he was very sluggish. The conditioning was a factor
        for him last year. So I'm very pleased with where he is. He's obviously been
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        appreciated by all of us."

        If only things could go as smoothly on the negotiating front.

        "I'm always hoping that they can get a deal done - for security reasons, and
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        Just thinking out loud here after watching a disappointing Outside the Lines (see General NFL Talk), but the more I thought about the situation, the more I began to wonder...

        How long is too long when it comes to waiting for Pace and the Postons to reach a reasonable long term contract with the Rams?

        Obviously with the increasing amount of the franchise tag on Orlando Pace, as well as other players who we might want to retain using that tag, we can't tag Pace year in and year out. This is the second year in a row the tag has been placed on Pace, and while Orlando's comments in March were optimistic about a long-term deal being done this fall, we've yet to see or hear anything from him that would indicate that's still the case.

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        Personally, I think that if the Rams and Pace can't reach a long-term deal by next spring when the time to franchise Orlando comes again, the Rams should begin considering alternative answers for the left tackle position. I'll be the first to tell you that Pace is one of the most valuable offensive linemen in the game, but the Rams cannot afford to be held hostage like this for many more seasons. Plus, I believe in the 2005 draft, there will be a number of good (not elite, but very good) tackle prospects, guys like Alex Barron or Jammal Brown, who may not be able to play as well as Pace, but should be very adequate and efficient players. Also, it's hard to tell who might be available in free agency, too.

        The bottom line is I don't see the Postons bending to lower demands, and I'm not convinced that Pace is going to give them the boot any time soon. As much as the Rams may want to continue tagging Pace year after year (I think an interview with Zygmunt alluded to this), I don't think that's going to be an option after another season or two.
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