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    The D was offensive

    I'm sure there will be a lot of talk this week about the poor play of the Offensive Line against the Falcons. True enough, but my biggest concern was the play of the defense.

    The defense lost this game when they allowed the Falcons to go on a long TD drive after the offense had fought back to a 17-17 tie. If the D comes up with a stop there, the hot offense goes back on the field against a tired Atlanta defense and probably takes the lead.

    Instead, the Falcons march down the field and take a seven point lead. This allows the Atlanta defense to catch their breath and key on pressuring Bulger - who they know is going to pass most every play. The result - Bulger is hit on virtually every play from there on in, and the Falcons cruise to an easy victory.

    Its now two weeks in a row with little pass rush and NO TURNOVERS forced by the defense. That is simply unacceptable. The team is not going to win a lot of games with those stats.
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    Av I agree, we are going to have to sort this D out and fast, real fast, the rush D stunk the place up, no turnovers...the D will have a long season....


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    • #3
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      You know what really worries me is the rush D, how will they improve this. 214 yards on the ground today... Hmmmmm sorry but this worries me!!!!


      steve :ramlogo:
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        Gotta agree, where is TX. He must be disappointed as hell. I know I gave Bulger a hard time during the game but the D was disturbing.

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        • #5
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          Yes the D was offensive this game. I can't argue that point at all.

          But you can't tell me that the offensive was good. Look at the total running yards for the game. 30 yards.... that's horrible with Faulk and Jackson in the game.

          The D slipped after they tied the game up, but let's not forget that Bulger handed the ball away in the endzone for a touchdown. You can't count that one on the D. The interception did not help either. And don't get me started about the penalties or Pace.

          Both sides of the team played poorly. :upset:
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            There are two ways to look at it. One way is that Jim Mora Jr let Vick Loose on a weak secondary and took advantage of Vick's Skills. Even Aeneas Williams looked like he was chasing a bull in spain. The other is that Martz did not adjust to Vick's plays. He basically catered to his game plan.
            The whole team seemed disturbed by the running and passing game devised by Mora. It should have been no surprise to Martz that Mora knows the Rams.
            Today in Hot Atlanta the Falcons have arrived. Michael Vick looked like the second coming of one Steve Young. It looked like a familiar scheme employed back in the Bay Area. It looks to me that they have arrived. And we do not know where we are headed. Today was somewhat close but the same mistakes on offensive with turnovers and the lack of tackling and pressure by the defense was unacceptable. It was a game that could have been won with more planning.
            It will be interesting to see what Mike Martz has for the hated Saints.

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              I'm here Wis....I turned over a new leaf this year by not allowing my emotions to dictate what I have to say. I wait a day to post on here, win or lose.

              Hang the loss on the D. They couldn't stop Vick, Dunn, or Price. Geez, we had Price pinned so far back he was in Florida and he still slipped out. I don't know if the Rams D has forgot how to tackle or if overpursuit is killing us. The stat that is striking to me is no turnovers caused by our defense in the first two games. That is a killer.

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              • #8
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                I agree Tx, I thought our Defence played with NO EMOTION. NONE.

                You could see the offence respond but there was squat from our D.

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                • #9
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                  They need a bona-fide leader at LB to be blowing up plays. Thomas did not play like I expect MLBs to play. He has had enough time to impose his will on a game ... I'd move Hawaii 5-0 in there and give him the reins.

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                  • #10
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                    The loss of London Fletcher is becoming so obviously painful that I will go out on a limb and say it's the worst loss to this franchise since they moved to STL.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by txramsfan
                      The loss of London Fletcher is becoming so obviously painful that I will go out on a limb and say it's the worst loss to this franchise since they moved to STL.
                      That's not an overstatement at all. We haven't been the same since he left.
                      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The D was offensive

                        Originally posted by txramsfan
                        The loss of London Fletcher is becoming so obviously painful that I will go out on a limb and say it's the worst loss to this franchise since they moved to STL.
                        This is a very fair point. One has to wonder, though, if Robert Thomas can be an adequate replacement that just needs more time to develop or if he really just isn't the guy for the job.

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                          Originally posted by NickSeiler
                          This is a very fair point. One has to wonder, though, if Robert Thomas can be an adequate replacement that just needs more time to develop or if he really just isn't the guy for the job.
                          Man I would hate to see yet another 1st rounder go down the drain.
                          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by HUbison
                            Man I would hate to see yet another 1st rounder go down the drain.
                            Agreed. Although isn't this his second season at this position as a pro, the third of three pro seasons, the first of which was spent on the outside? I dunno, maybe we should all stop expecting instant success and greatness, myself included. But then again, you draft guys expecting them to come in and contribute for your team. I'd be hesitant to say that Thomas's contributions have made him worth his value as a first rounder, although I think he's made improvements now that he's back at his MLB position. Hopefully he'll continue to improve.

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                            • #15
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                              I can handle a defense missing tackles, get no pressure on the QB, and getting no turnovers. But I can't handle a defense playing without emotion. Defensive players feed off emotion. Its what makes a defense tick.

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                                View from the opposing side: Notes on Rams/Falcons game.
                                by Guest
                                Rams running offense: well, in a word, it was "great"...Steven Jackson ran with reckless abandon and abused the Falcons defense. He also played really well in the passing game. Don't take too much comfort in this performance because the Falcons run defense has been LOUSY all year. Going into this game, the Falcons were giving up 4.9yards/rush. After today's game, it should be about 5.5yds/rush.

                                Rams passing offense: it looked decent but not "great". Rams WRs did not get a lot of separation but made some good plays on the ball. Avery is very quick and was pretty open on the TD grab. Holt made a few good catches against our corner(Chris Houston). Houston plays sticky man-to-man but never looks back for the ball or he may have had at least one interception.

                                Rams rush defense: well, this was the Rams "undoing" in this game. They started out well but the Falcons "gashed" the Rams in the second half especially. Rams were just plain "lucky" that the refs made a bad "fumble" call on Michael Turner - replay showed the knee was down. Falcons' Jerious Norwood also hurt the Rams. In first half, Rams held the Falcons run game in check.

                                Rams pass defense: I was fairly impressed with your pass defense as it held up well today. Matt Ryan had a pretty awful day on the whole and he did not throw much from the pocket. You guys had an adequate pass rush but Falcons seemed to be able to get a play out of the passing game when they really needed it.


                                On the whole, I gotta believe it was a great day for the St. Louis Rams. They played well which helps the coaches, players and fans - yet they still did not give up draft position.

                                For my Falcons it was just an "ugly" survival win against a team we probably should have handled better than we did. Falcons have a way of playing down to their competition. I'm not saying that to insult the St. Louis Rams because I think for a 2-14 team you guys are actually much better than that. I don't see why from the way you played today that you could not have at least been closer to a .500 record.

                                Falcons just have a tendency to play close games no matter who they play. The Falcons defense is defnitiely the "weak link" - specifically the run defense. I think you guys all saw it on display today. Falcons have tough match-up with the Cardinals passing game as we go to Arizona next week (Warner/Fitzgerald/Boldin) but I would rather face that than a really good running game. If our offense has a good day then we will have a chance. Matt Ryan has not played well for last three weeks and we need him to have big games to advance in playoffs....and when I say "big games", I just mean to be efficient with no turnovers and keep the chains moving.

                                Anyway, congrats to you Rams fans.....I think you saw "hope" today from your team.
                                -12-28-2008, 04:31 PM
                              • RamWraith
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                                By Jim Thomas
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
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                                Some offensive linemen can rely on experience in preparing for an opponent. But as Saipaia says: "I don't have any past experience."

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                              • RamWraith
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                                by RamWraith
                                By Jim Thomas
                                Of the Post-Dispatch
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                                Some offensive linemen can rely on experience in preparing for an opponent. But
                                as Saipaia says: "I don't have any past experience."

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                                the Falcons shellacked St. Louis 34-17 on Sept. 19. He was one of seven pregame
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                                So he has no personal experience to go on against Atlanta - just game tape. And
                                what he's seen on tape this week is an eyeful.

                                "I'd say that their defense is relentless," Saipaia said. "I think they just
                                rely on their tenacity."

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                                Falcons won on Sept. 19, the play of Atlanta's defensive line was reason No.
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                                "They've got good people up front," Rams coach Mike Martz said. "They're big,
                                physical guys who get off the ball quickly. They do a great job of penetrating,
                                bull rushing, and changing things up."

                                Last September in the Georgia Dome, just about every member of the Rams
                                offensive line had some rough moments. Chris Dishman, then the Rams' starting
                                left guard, got beat by underrated Falcons defensive tackle Ed Jasper for a
                                sack. Grant Williams, then the Rams' starting right tackle, had a tough time
                                against Pro Bowl defensive end Patrick Kerney.

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                                key third-and-1 play, dropping Marshall Faulk for a 2-yard loss.

                                The Rams had the momentum at that point, but were forced to kick a field goal,
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                                In one of the key plays of the game, Falcons defensive end Brady Smith went
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                                the end zone for an Atlanta touchdown. In the blink of an eye, that turned a
                                24-17 Falcons lead into a 31-17 advantage with 11 minutes 48 seconds to play in
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                                "I didn't even realize until I watched the film that (Smith) came from the left
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