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  • We don't have the talent anymore

    It just isn't there. We aren't as talented as some of you perceive us to be.

    1. Williams on the O line dosen't deserve to be in the NFL.
    2. Faulk is just about through. He dosen't hit the hole like he used to. He dosen't make people miss. He isn't perceived to be a threat in the passing game anymore. He is missing the speed that made him a HOF. The pass he dropped yesterday was right where it had to be.
    3. We are very small in the front seven on defense. We've been getting pushed around all year. The 2001 draft is becoming quite possibly the huge bust we all feared. Pickett and DLew can't stuff the run, and Archuleta has regressed from his first year.
    4. Brooks threw to Butler's side all day yesterday. Whatever WR lined up against Butler was automatically open.

    We just aren't very good right now. Happens in the day and age of the salary cap. My take, let other people "coach up" DT's. Time to clean some office, free up some cap space, draft O line and FA the rest.

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    Re: We don't have the talent anymore

    I'm not sure I'm ready to go as far as that.


    In my opinion we are solid or better at the following positions:

    QB, WR1, WR2, RB (if Jackson and Faulk used correctly), LT, C, RG, DE (Little), DT (Pickett), OLB (Pisa), FS/CB (Aeneas), SS (Archuleta). There are several other positions that the Rams are average - DE (Fisher), DT (Lewis), OLB (Polly/Chillar), MLB (Thomas), CB (Butler).

    The keys are playing to our strengths and avoiding mistakes. So far, the Rams have done a poor job at both.

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      Re: We don't have the talent anymore

      2. Faulk is just about through. He dosen't hit the hole like he used to. He dosen't make people miss. He isn't perceived to be a threat in the passing game anymore. He is missing the speed that made him a HOF. The pass he dropped yesterday was right where it had to be.
      What holes are you talking about Tex? Can't make a defender miss? Did you even watch the game yesterday? I saw at least 3 different plays where Faulk made brilliant cuts to avoid tackles and gain yardage. I can't defend the pass that he dropped but I will say that we might be a little spoiled by his pass catching abilities if 1 drop means the end of his usefullness. Don't forget all of the over the shoulder circus catches that he makes on a regular basis.

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      • #4
        Re: We don't have the talent anymore

        Faulk made brilliant cut to pick up the first when we went of it on forth. Just no hole with this O-line right now.

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        • #5
          Re: We don't have the talent anymore

          Originally posted by Rambos
          Faulk made brilliant cut to pick up the first when we went for it on fourth. Just no hole with this O-line right now.
          The O-line really is the crux of the problem on the O side right now.

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          • #6
            Re: We don't have the talent anymore

            If you're referring to the stupid penalities then, yes, the line is the O's problem. But they are 7th in yards per carry (which is useless unless we start calling more running plays). And there are 11 teams that give up more sacks per attempt. That's remarkable when you think about how bad this line could have been.

            Having said that, with every false start and holding call, my hair gets a little more gray and a little more loose.
            The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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            • #7
              Re: We don't have the talent anymore

              Originally posted by txramsfan
              ... and Archuleta has regressed from his first year.

              We just aren't very good right now. Happens in the day and age of the salary cap. My take, let other people "coach up" DT's. Time to clean some office, free up some cap space, draft O line and FA the rest.
              1st, I'm not going to hang much on Arch for yesterday's game. Last week was a different story. From what I could tell, Arch was playing LB while Lassiter and Lucas were the safeties for most of the game. And when pass coverage was called for, he seemed to be called to play man-to-man on the slot or TE. That strikes me as scheme. He was placed in a position where he could only look bad. Williams is not fast enough to be a cover corner anymore in a league where contact is to be de-emphasized. That is scheme also.

              2nd, when you consider cleaning office, I hope you factor in the part that coaching, or lack thereof, is playing in this season's opening disappointment also.

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              • Guest's Avatar
                A couple of more comments on the defense
                by Guest
                I think that robert thomas has been a big disappointment. He just does not seem to be able to stay healthy. Archuleta is playing hurt, so on that basis, i cut him slack, but i will say that while he still makes some spectacular plays, i believe his fundemental tackling skills are not at the pro bowl level for a safety. his miss in the atlanta game was a critical play.

                I also think that aeneas has not played at anywhere near his previous level. I love aeneas, but i see a lot of marshall comments on this board regarding dropoff and not much on aeneas. Again, i am not saying he is no good, merely that there has been a material dropoff in his performance. He still makes some plays, but has missed some relatively easy chances that have really cost us. Specifically, i cite the dropped INT at the end of the saints game and the ball that hit him in the hands at midfield against the dolphins. His play on the flea flicker against miami was an abomination.

                Call it harsh if you will, just trying to call them as i see them. You cant overlook the fact that in the three losses we have ZERO takeaways, and this defense lived on takeaways last year. When the ball hits you in the hands, you have to make the catch, whether that is a DB on an int or an open reciever.

                general counsel
                -10-26-2004, 10:11 AM
              • Guest's Avatar
                Getting our hopeless defence back on track
                by Guest
                Lots of discussion on best way to address our defensive woes and thought I'd share my opinion and solicit yours…I think that it is unlikely that there will be any major changes this year so I'm concentrating on changes this offseason.

                1/ We need to address the coaching… I don’t think I'll get many kickbacks by stating that Marmie needs to go and a proven commodity with a winning record brought in

                2/ We need to address the misbalance with the offence in terms of salary cap.. One of these salary cap hogs need to go or restructure and funds transferred to defence..
                Bruce - the way he is playing it is unlikely that we will a/ trade him or b/ restructure his package… I think he has 3-4 years left in him
                Faulk - faulk will need to restructure or we will have to let him go
                Pace - no matter what happens, any cap space saved should be pumped back into the OL
                Holt - he is young, he is worth 1000yds/season, but he is small, cannot take a hit and misses clutch passes… I say we trade him… and draft WR in 2nd round

                3/ We need to address the secondary. I think Arch and Aeneas deserve minimum another year though we should find ourselves a good pass coverage SS.
                Fischer looks like a solid #2 CB.. But where is our shut down ? We cannot afford to find him in the FA market so afraid its draft.. #1 pick CB.. Groce and Butler are good nickel and backups

                4/ LB's.. Polley is useless and will go.. Thomas has no spirit (wimp) but adequate backup.. Pisa is a pro bowler waiting for a leader to get him there..Chillar has potential but like Pisa, needs a leader. Faulk will make a good backup.. So MLB is clearly our requirement.. Where do we get him ? Forget the draft, tried that and failed besides we need a leader and we will not find that in a rookie.. So Its free agency… but again, we need to make cap room (see Holt)

                5/ DL.. I feel pretty comfortable with the line this year.. There is a lack of experience there but will only get better .. No change unless Little ends up behind bars

                I guess the big problem with the above scenario is that with all these changes we may not have enough left over to address the OL.. Although we could draft OL in the 3rd round and then restructure Marshall and sign Pace - might be enough to bring in a top notch RT.

                Any thoughts ?
                -11-18-2004, 01:04 AM
              • RamWraith
                T. Faulk
                by RamWraith
                Anyone else thnk he did a pretty good job at middle yesterday??

                I least I saw and heard his name a hell of a lot more than I do Thomas. The kid actually has some size as well.
                -10-25-2004, 11:09 AM
              • AvengerRam_old
                How to make the best of 2004
                by AvengerRam_old
                For all their problems, if the season ended today, the Rams would make the playoffs... barely.

                Here's what they need to do to make the final six games a big enough success to ensure that they actually do make the playoffs:

                1. Reshuffle the O line. Here's the line-up I'd go with:

                LT: Pace
                LG: Nutten
                C: McCollum
                RG: Sapaia
                RT: Timmerman

                2. Reshuffle the Defense. Here's the line-up I'd go with:

                DE Little
                DT: Kennedy
                DT: Pickett
                DE: Hargrove
                OLB: Tinoisamoa
                MLB: Faulk
                OLB: Archuleta
                CB: Butler
                CB: Fisher
                SS: Edwards
                FS: Williams

                3. Take drastic measures on Special Teams:

                Bring in a new punter. Find a kickoff specialist who can boom the ball into the end zone consistently. Punt the ball out of bounds. Do whatever is necessary.

                4. Run Steven Jackson more. All year, when he's had an opportunity, he's produced. Gotta give him more touches.

                If the Rams can win 4 of the last 6, they probably will make the playoffs. 5 of 6, and they win the division in all likelihood.
                -11-23-2004, 09:53 AM
              • txramsfan
                My take on the team....for what it's worth
                by txramsfan
                I said this after the New Orleans game and I'll say it again, this version of the Rams is not very good but at least they are entertaining at times. The Rams are ranked 28th in total defense for the NFL. We may have the worst LB corp in the NFL. Outside of Pisa, the talent isn't there and for those of you crying for Lovie you can put a bunch of the blame on him for the state of this LB corp. The secondary has been banged up all year. Fisher gets back after his arm injury and what happens? Gets his jaw broke. Fights through that and what happens? Buffalo takes his knees out. Then our nickel guy Groce gets hurt, and our penny (can't say he's worth a dime) Garrett gets a concussion. This isn't the New England defense. Or the New England salary cap. Not sure you would call what we have Safeties unless you are an opposing teams TE that needs a confidence boost. Even Archuleta, though has been hurt, is having a rough year.

                With the defense we have, and the money going to the offensive side of the ball, the offense had to be better. What happens? Turley and Wohlobaugh go out BEFORE OUR FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Uggghhh. That's worse than Lucy pulling the ball away before Charley Brown can kick it. Faulk is having a decent year but for the money he's making he isn't earning his salary. I've never seen him drop so many passes as he does now.

                What does this mean? We better clean some house. Not coaching, players. Take pay cuts or go. Go out and get a slobber knocker LB. Let Aeneas retire and find a S. Tell Arch to lay off the pinky pushups which may impress the females but it dosen't do him a dad gum bit of good stopping a TE in the passing game. Ask Coady to go coach somewhere. Tell Garrett, who I had high hopes for this year, to find a relay team. Tommy Polley? Good luck in the FA market. Faulk? Either trim the salary or you get trimmed off the roster. Pace? We need three more lineman who want to play. Either sign long term or go to that "team" called the Browns. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
                -11-23-2004, 06:05 AM
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