Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

[general counsel]

Can anyone name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler. Effectively, we got a 7th round pick for a borderline star young qb.

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[PeoriaRam]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

Herschel Walker.

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More seriously, I'm going to dissent here, because I think that Jay Cutler's Ram career would have either drawn to a close by now or would be on the verge of doing so. The utter anarchy and confused revolving door at offensive coordinator that typified the Linehan regime would have likely permanently stunted his development, while the continued pounding by defensive linemen crushed his psyche. Meanwhile Cutler's penchant for shooting his mouth off would have succeeded in dividing the locker room. Jay Cutler, St. Louis Ram, would have been labeled a bona fide bust...perhaps on the level of Ryan Leaf.

[39thebeast]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

The answer is in recent history there is none

[BarronWade]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

Randy Moss for John Bowie (4th rounder)

But i get ur point

[Dominating D]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

Herschel Walker

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In 1989, at the height of his NFL career, the Cowboys traded Walker to the Minnesota Vikings for a total of five players (LB Jesse Solomon, DB Issiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, DE Alex Stewart) and six draft picks (which led to Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson). This was judged to be one of the turning points in the rise of the Cowboys to the top echelon of the NFL. Nicknamed the "HWT" (Herschel Walker Trade),

Will that due or do you want to open up a can named Ricky Williams?

[Goldenfleece]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

Herschel Walker.

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More seriously, I'm going to dissent here, because I think that Jay Cutler's Ram career would have either drawn to a close by now or would be on the verge of doing so. The utter anarchy and confused revolving door at offensive coordinator that typified the Linehan regime would have likely permanently stunted his development, while the continued pounding by defensive linemen crushed his psyche. Meanwhile Cutler's penchant for shooting his mouth off would have succeeded in dividing the locker room. Jay Cutler, St. Louis Ram, would have been labeled a bona fide bust...perhaps on the level of Ryan Leaf.

I had the same thought. The truth is there are probably a lot of trades you could point to that ended badly when it comes to trading around draft picks. The really bad trades are the ones where you give up a lot in known talent for a draft pick that turns out to be a bust, or you trade the farm in draft picks for a talent whose best days are behind him.

Personally, I don't have any regrets on Cutler. The way Bulger was playing at the time, it didn't make sense to draft a quarterback that early. Missing out on Haloti Ngata is more disappointing to me, as defensive tackle was at least as pressing a need as corner at the time.

[AvengerRam_old]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

The trade was bad, but it wasn't Hill/Wroten for Cutler, per se. It was Hill/Wroten for the selection used for Cutler.

Had the Rams kept the pick, the guy they should have taken was Haloti Ngata.

[general counsel]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

At the time, i supported the deal so i am not going to use 20-20 hindsight to bash it now. My point should have been clearer. This has turned out to be a terrible trade, it doesnt mean it was a bad deal when we made it.

We didnt need a qb at that point. Look at bulgers numbers at that point. We badly needed a stud corner and we drafted the best one in the draft. We got a first round talent in wroten who was a gamble in round 3. Lots of upside at that point in the draft for a talent like wroten. Defensive tackle was also a clear position of need.

The lesson remains that the nfl is a league of superstars and trading back is dangerous, notwithstanding the cap issues. More importantly, when you make mistakes with high picks, it can have terrible long term consequences.

I believe AV has a great point because cutler wasnt the guy we needed if we kept the pick. Ngata sure would have helped us given that we have not been able to stop the run in five years.

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[NJ Ramsfan1]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

While I understand why fans do so, I've always felt "wondering what might have been" regarding past draft selections is a bit misguided. It is very easy to say "well, we should have drafted so and so" if a guy turns out to be a very good pro. Hindsight is always 20-20. At the time, the pick looked fine, and as others pointed out, Bulger appeared to be an up and coming player.

Mark my words: Jay Cutler will never win anything unless his attitude changes. He's another Jeff George; a big arm but an even bigger mouth who is entirely too thin skinned to be consistently successful. I wouldn't want him. Any guy who whines like a bit## when his coach wants to bring in another guy isn't a competitor- and definitely not the guy I want leading my football team, regardless of natural ability.

[Nick]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

More importantly, when you make mistakes with high picks, it can have terrible long term consequences.

I think this is really the lesson that should be learned from this entire experience. If Hill becomes a top flight corner and Wroten turns into a penetrating terror on the interior of the line, then we're all laughing at Denver for trading Cutler away and how poorly the deal worked out for them.

It all depends on what happens after you've selected these guys. Sometimes fans critical of a pick who wanted someone else are right (ie. Antonio Cromartie, though he's really only impressed in one of three seasons). Sometimes fans critical of a pick who wanted someone else are wrong (ie. Vernon Davis, Ted Ginn Jr).

But trading down four spots in the first round in order to pick up an extra third round pick? As draft day trades go, that actually sounds like a pretty solid one. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for us, and that misfortune has cost us a bit. But that's the way the draft works. As tx likes to say, it's a crap shoot.

[r8rh8rmike]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

While I understand why fans do so, I've always felt "wondering what might have been" regarding past draft selections is a bit misguided. It is very easy to say "well, we should have drafted so and so" if a guy turns out to be a very good pro. Hindsight is always 20-20. At the time, the pick looked fine, and as others pointed out, Bulger appeared to be an up and coming player.

Mark my words: Jay Cutler will never win anything unless his attitude changes. He's another Jeff George; a big arm but an even bigger mouth who is entirely too thin skinned to be consistently successful. I wouldn't want him. Any guy who whines like a bit## when his coach wants to bring in another guy isn't a competitor- and definitely not the guy I want leading my football team, regardless of natural ability.

Maybe I'm misguided, but I agree completely. Cutler has put up big numbers, but in cruch time the two years he started for Denver, he crumpled like tin foil.

Sure there's a chance he might turn out alright for the Bears, but I wouldn't be lamenting the Rams failure to draft him just yet.

[MoonJoe]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

Can anyone name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler.
general counsel

My marriage for my freedom?
That $10 I paid for oregano in the 7th grade?
The $300 I paid for a 70 Falcon with a cracked head?
$30 for nosebleed seats to Cheap Trick in the early eighties?

No I really can't!!!

[tomahawk247]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

Can anyone name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler. Effectively, we got a 7th round pick for a borderline star young qb.

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Hmm well i have an idea for one. It was a very good trade for one team, but not very good at all for the other.
Trading a speedy, young, starting WR with good hands and a fifth round pick for a fifth round pick in the same draft.

Yes, the Laurent Robinson deal was ridiculously good for us, but you can tell Atlanta regretted it, especially when Harry Douglas went down injured. Maybe thats why they got back at us by only giving us a 7th rounder for Hill

[jmk321]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

While I understand why fans do so, I've always felt "wondering what might have been" regarding past draft selections is a bit misguided. It is very easy to say "well, we should have drafted so and so" if a guy turns out to be a very good pro. Hindsight is always 20-20. At the time, the pick looked fine, and as others pointed out, Bulger appeared to be an up and coming player.

Mark my words: Jay Cutler will never win anything unless his attitude changes. He's another Jeff George; a big arm but an even bigger mouth who is entirely too thin skinned to be consistently successful. I wouldn't want him. Any guy who whines like a bit## when his coach wants to bring in another guy isn't a competitor- and definitely not the guy I want leading my football team, regardless of natural ability.

I might've been mad too if I was in Cutler's position. A new coach comes in and his first move is to try to trade away his pro bowl quarterback who lead one of the league's best offenses the previous year. It's hard to play for or respect your coach if he doesn't respect your ability and tries to get rid of you when you have proven that you can play at a pro bowl level in the league. Then your coach lies about trying to trade you and just can't own up to what he did like a man.

Cutler probably could've handled the situation better but I wouldn't say he won't win anything in the league over it.


Marshall Faulk for a 2nd and 5th round pick was also a pretty bad trade even if Indy was able to get Edgerin James in that year's draft.

[Ramer]

Re: Name a worse trade than Tye Hill and Wroten for Cutler

My marriage for my freedom?
That $10 I paid for oregano in the 7th grade?
The $300 I paid for a 70 Falcon with a cracked head?
$30 for nosebleed seats to Cheap Trick in the early eighties?

No I really can't!!!

That's pretty funny!