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  • Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

    never really done one of these but im excited for sunday so ill do my best!

    QBs-This one i a tight race, hassleback and bulger didnt play well or much last year and there teams suffered because of it, when healthy these two are deadly, with hassleback leading his team to a superbowl and bulger leading his to the playoffs along with a pro-bowl mvp tag, if bulger can stay upright and make smart decisions, his talent on offense can go far.
    ADVANTAGE- seahawks

    RB's-two words, STEVEN JACKSON! the hawks dont match up in this department, no question about it! when jackson is healthy (which he is 100%) he is a monster looking for heads, every team in the nfl knows about him and with new center jason brown, stud fullback mike karney and first round pick jason smith, this could get ugly for the hawks, who have julius jones as there starter. now jones has shown flashes, mainly in dallas but he has never lived up to his potential which is why barber is leading the pack in dallas.
    ADVANTAGE-rams

    O-LINE- This is a no-brainer, while the seahawks have a much better offensive line you cant really say they have more talent in the group, they just play better as a group and our more in-sync, the rams have a few first round picks , one which is still raw and a mauling center but until this group can gel together there will be some bumps
    ADVANTAGE-Seahawks

    TIGHTEND/RECIEVERS- The rams have some talent at the spot with speedy avery and the wildcard robinson, robison has shown some promise in his rookie year and was a fan favorite in atlanta, he also produced in pre-season but this group is still young and thin, and avery is coming off a foot injury, until depth or experience is added, or even some time with the new offense they will have problems matching up with probowl reciever houshmanzadeh and superbowl mvp deon branch
    ADVANTAGE-Seahawks

    D-LINE-Once again the rams have talent at this spot with the first rounder long and the pro-bowler little, who, when is healthy can be scary. james hall and victor A. provide solid depth in rotation and if clifton ryan shows some of the potential he showed last year this group can be solid but with the young DT's who are raw it remains a mystery, kerney is the only true star on the sehawks line but was slowed by injuries last year.
    ADVANTAGE-Rams

    LINEBACKERS-The advantage clearly goes to the hawks with probowler tatupu, first round pick curry ,and leyroy hill who is a stud, but dont count the rams out either, they have witherspoon back at his natural position, the veteran draft and all american college star in laurinitis, this group also lacks solid depth but can be a force against anyones offense
    ADVANTAGE-Seahwaks

    SECONDARY- the rams win this in all aspects of the game, they have a top-notch star in atogwa, who has had better stats the ed reed and polomalu in recent seasons, he is a ballhawking, turnover machine that will take anyones lunchbox at anytime. and then you add superbowl safety in james butler who is big, strong and has leadership and those two can be a headache for hassleback. and any rams fans know about bartell who is a star in the making, just ask fitzgerald. the hawks are with out true corner trufant and have a bunch of sub-par players in that secondary
    ADVANTAGE-rams


    this game can go either way, the winner will be the team who has the least amount of turn overs, but who is not EXCITED FOR SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

    In assessing the O lines, you need to keep in mind that Walter Jones and Chris Spencer may both miss this game with injuries.

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    • #3
      Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

      Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
      In assessing the O lines, you need to keep in mind that Walter Jones and Chris Spencer may both miss this game with injuries.
      ya i wasnt sure the status of those two but if they do not play we surely match up with them

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      • #4
        Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

        I think the key to any team's success come Sunday is clock management, no penalties and no turnovers. Spags has the right idea, you want an aggressive defense that is GOING to cause turnovers, so that's really exciting. I think Marc Bulger is more than capable of stepping his game up and playing at an elite level again, but even if he doesn't, if we can get our line in-sync, all we need is for Bulger to manage games and give Jackson the rock. If we can keep our offense on the field, make key third down conversions, we'll be able to beat any team in my mind. This way, we keep their defense tired and our defense fresh. If we can punish Seattle with our running game our passing attack will look a whole lot better than anyone can imagine. Defenses will get exposed.

        LET'S GO RAMS!
        Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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        • #5
          Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

          Good effort Will51, but have to totally disagree with your assessment of the defensive lines. The SeaWeeds feature a rotation of Kerney, Jackson, Tapp at DE and Mebane, Redding Terrill at DT. They have shown the ability to apply pressure and stop the run far better than the Rams have-even when we had a healthy Carriker.

          I think it is obvious that until our D-Line actually shows up and does something productive, I have to give the Seachix the advantage at this point in time.

          Moreover, outside of possibly Leonard Little as a pass rush specialist, I really don't see any of our defensive linemen starting anywhere in the Squawk defense.

          WHAT SAY YE?

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          • #6
            Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

            I agree with AV; this Hags O-line is a work in progress. Not only are Jones & Spencer questionable health-wise but so are the guards experience-wise. Rumor has it Unger,the rookie swingman, may start and I don't even know who the other one will be. New zone blocking scheme to learn as well.It may take some Spags magic and definitely a healthy Little but we might be at an advantage here for once.

            We have our own issues,of course, and The Qwest 12th man will not help.That keeps the O-line, H2H, an adv. for The Hags but not as great or clear cut as in the recent past.

            On the other hand, their secondary is weakened by the loss of Trufant and some experienced but newly-acquired guys,Fisher and Milloy, may be tested deep early & often.This unit had a hard time with the likes of Orton and Volek in pre-season.

            Their D-line should be good eventually but they are young inside with Mebane and Cole. Time for Jason Brown to start earning that big contract.They also had problems stopping Larry Johnson & co in their dress rehearsal game vs KC; over 7 yds per,I think. Could be a huge day for #39.

            Not sure our secondary matches up well with their WRs.Never underestimate a healthy Hasselbeck,for a start.

            Burleson is a talent who gets hurt so often,you'd think he was a Ram. Housh is big & fast & will give Bartell all he can handle.Add Branch & exciting rookie Deon Butler( also worry about him as a returner) and Carlson, their emerging star TE, and Hass has a lot to attack the Rams with.

            I don't care much for Wade in coverage; I think he's another Hill-in-waiting.King & Fletcher have both been burned deep in preseason already.Let's hope they learned their lesson & J. Butler brings his A game.If we don't get pressure up front, the toast will be burning early.

            I'm also worried about how well Lau will handle himself at MLB. This is a significantly different Hags O scheme, by all accounts, so his chance to compensate for a lack of game experience with diligent study will be limited.

            I think either Bulger or Boller can have success against this DB field if protected but will we see the out-of-synch SJ of the first Hags game last year or the decisive powerful SJ of the Falcons game. He had some success vs The Hags second time out but was still on 1 1/2 legs.

            Go Rams. Now & Forever.

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            • #7
              Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

              I don't think this Rams' team is as bad as everyone thinks. I remember the last 4 games of last year being very competitive. The games were all lost in the end because of poor defense down the stretch and Steven Jackson being worn down and not being able to move the ball on offense but they looked very promising.

              I also don't know when OJ Atogwe became OJ Atogwa. I've been seeing his named spelled like that a lot lately and I don't know where it came from.

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              • #8
                Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                Update on Hags O-line:

                According to AP story-see headline on nfl.com- both LT Jones and center Spencer are officially out for Sunday vs the Rams.

                Their starting line from LT; Locklear,Wrotto,Vallos,Unger,Willis.

                There couldn't be better news for a game of Spag-a-Hag.

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                • #9
                  Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                  The only advantage the Seahwaks have in this game is that they are at home. Any and all other player/unit comparisons go to our RAMS because Jim Mora is a STIFF!!!!

                  These aren't your Holmgren Seahawks anymore!


                  GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!!!
                  sigpic :ram::helmet:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                    also its worth noting that our wideouts wont line up against their wideouts..etc...their wideouts "may" be better than ours but its how our secondary lines up against them and so on with all the other units..is only special teams that line up against special teams.

                    theoretically the way Will has broken it down..almost every unit of the seahawks could be better than the Rams equivalent..but we could still win.
                    Last edited by Ramblin` Ram; -09-10-2009, 06:53 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                      If you saw any of the preseason games this year, all Ram defenders are a sack in the making. Spags will pull out all the stops to show his worth as a head coach and it starts with HIS defense. Hasselbeck will be running for his life or taking dives in the back field as multiple defenders fly in on him.

                      I am most excited to see this new defense go, than I am about the offense.

                      Maineram -

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                      • #12
                        Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                        When it comes to our offensive line I will agree that we are in less than ideal circumstances with Jones out, but don't overestimate Spencer's worth. Seattle's offensive line is in the bottom half of the league, but I think many of you are under the impression that they can't block anyone at all. We aren't trotting out a middle school squad.

                        On offense I'd take a healthy Hasselbeck and our very deep receiving corps (including Carlson at TE) over yours, but I'd definitely give you the advantage at RB and also the advantage on the line.

                        On defense I'm completely in the dark about the approach Mora and Bradley will take this season because they refused to show their hand in the preseason. As far as talent goes our front seven is very, very good and very deep.

                        The DLine (which people still believe is small despite being larger than your own) is easily the best Seattle has had since 97. Redding has been stellar at end, Mebane is and has been the unheralded star on defense for two years, Cole has been more than advertized and Kerney is healthy again.

                        I just want you guys to know that this isn't the 4-12 team from last season. I have never seen that many season ending injuries in Seattle and every offseason addition Ruskell made to this point has looked solid.

                        If you're going to win it will have to be by making this a one-dimensional game...stopping our anemic run game and then finding ways to pressure Hasselbeck. Our OLine hasn't shown the ability to make holes in the run game, but they can pass block well enough to do damage.

                        I have no idea how your offense vs our defense will turn out, but it definitely helps that this game is in Seattle.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                          Originally posted by Walrus View Post
                          When it comes to our offensive line I will agree that we are in less than ideal circumstances with Jones out, but don't overestimate Spencer's worth. Seattle's offensive line is in the bottom half of the league, but I think many of you are under the impression that they can't block anyone at all. We aren't trotting out a middle school squad.

                          On offense I'd take a healthy Hasselbeck and our very deep receiving corps (including Carlson at TE) over yours, but I'd definitely give you the advantage at RB and also the advantage on the line.

                          On defense I'm completely in the dark about the approach Mora and Bradley will take this season because they refused to show their hand in the preseason. As far as talent goes our front seven is very, very good and very deep.

                          The DLine (which people still believe is small despite being larger than your own) is easily the best Seattle has had since 97. Redding has been stellar at end, Mebane is and has been the unheralded star on defense for two years, Cole has been more than advertized and Kerney is healthy again.

                          I just want you guys to know that this isn't the 4-12 team from last season. I have never seen that many season ending injuries in Seattle and every offseason addition Ruskell made to this point has looked solid.

                          If you're going to win it will have to be by making this a one-dimensional game...stopping our anemic run game and then finding ways to pressure Hasselbeck. Our OLine hasn't shown the ability to make holes in the run game, but they can pass block well enough to do damage.

                          I have no idea how your offense vs our defense will turn out, but it definitely helps that this game is in Seattle.
                          Hey Walrus,

                          Can't really argue with "stop the run,pressure the QB".
                          Add "run the ball,protect the QB" and you might have a winning formula there...

                          I think it just got a little easier with this OL news. Still a very tall order with all that airpower and the Qwest factor but still...

                          Maybe you won't miss Spencer but Vallos kind of sucked vs The Rams in the 2nd game, didn't he?

                          So did Locklear,Wrotto, and Willis at times. Against probably the weakest DL of the year.Jason Craft spent so much time in the backfield he might as well have come out of the huddle with the Hawks. Little was on one wheel but still harried Wallace through the first half,at least.

                          The Rams faded across the board to steal defeat from the jaws of victory but that O-line was not impressive to me.

                          Not middle schoolers but not good,either.. Seneca's legs helped save them from a 5 way tie for goat o' the game,imo. With an assist from our own Fakhir & Tye, of course.

                          I'd say the Hawks front 7 WILL be v. good but in the first game, I dunno. Both DEs are coming back from serious injury/surgery. Lots of folks on this board wanted Curry badly but he's still a rookie. And a rookie who missed time pre-season. Cole was a FA we talked about a lot as well but he's never started before, either, has he?

                          I like my Cal guy Mebane a lot, I'll give you that, but please don't tell me about scrub heroes like Reed,et al, making the unit very,very deep yet.. Let's see it in the real deal first. We had those 4th qtr cameos,too.

                          It's all spin/speculation but so is the assumption that the rust is off the returning vets, the rookies won't blow brain gas, and the unit will be integrated.

                          And having a DL specialist as our new HC has to help both of our lines. Haz's ideas ,to me, were a mishmash that the game had moved past. Along with that big change on the sideline is a much younger, healthier, and hopefully more motivated group on the field.

                          Plus significant upgrades at positions to counteract a strong front 7 like the Hawks; better center,better FB, better blocking TE. Plus some guys returning to health like Bell at guard. The OTs are an unknown but at least Barron is at his natural spot and the rookie Smith is probably already his equal at RT.Overall, already a much better unit.

                          I think we are on a parallel course in many ways. I don't know if The Hawks were ever as messed up as The Rams but it'll be interesting to compare personnel strategies and progress thus far.


                          The only thing I can be reasonably sure of is that both teams, barring injury depletion, will be much better when we play the second game.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                            Originally posted by laram0 View Post

                            These aren't your Holmgren Seahawks anymore!


                            GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!!!
                            You're right. It's going to be a much more attacking style defense, no more John Marshall defensive playcalling (vanilla vanilla vanilla, no blitz, no press coverage) and a much less predictable set of offensive plays.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Breaking it down-Rams vs Seahawks!

                              Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                              In assessing the O lines, you need to keep in mind that Walter Jones and Chris Spencer may both miss this game with injuries.
                              These two will both be out until week 2. However, Spencer has been much of a let down since being drafted. Steve Vallos who is taking his spot currently has looked much better. You cant replace Walt though, even if he is at the end of his career...this is the scary spot for me going into Sunday, Locklear has not looked real good at left tackle filling in for Walt. We could have an issue there. Hopefully only for this weekend.

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