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  • On the other hand...

    ....EVERY game will have something good come out of it. Even a debacle like yesterday will show some signs of life if one were to look. Here's what I saw:

    1. Son of Animal (, I like that) led all rookies league wide in tackles with 14. Tied for 2nd were USC alum Cushing and Rey Mau at 8 each.

    2. Vobora, Mr. Irrelevant no more, among 2nd year players was 3rd in tackles. Something to build on.

    3. Smith played better than expected for a rookie OT. He certainly wasn't the lowlight of that line.

    4. Robinson for a 5th round swap meet looks like a pretty good deal right now.

    5. The defense created turnovers. The offense did not.

    6. Gibson and Long, though not attaining a lot of pressure, were around the ball all day.

    7. Maybe it's just familiarity with the system, but Butler appears to be better than initially advertised.

    8. Atogwe has to be in the conversation when discussing top FS in the league.

    9. Special Teams showed some spunk. In fact, the STers were so excited at least 12 of them at a time wanted to take the field.

    10. You tell me there's a punter in the league right now better than Donnie Jones, and I will be forced to call BS on you.

    11. Wade played a disciplined, solid cover game. (Kudos to RF16 for that catch).

    There. That's 11 good things. Whew, I didn't think I'd make it there for a while.
    Last edited by HUbison; -09-14-2009, 08:12 AM.
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • #2
    Re: On the other hand...

    I absolutely agree. And how about Jonathan Wade? The kid played solid today!


    • #3
      Re: On the other hand...

      Originally posted by RamsFan16
      I absolutely agree. And how about Jonathan Wade? The kid played solid today!
      An excellent point, and one that I should have mentioned. Good catch.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.


      • #4
        Re: On the other hand...

        No penalties on Barron. Don't think he gave up a sack either, but I don't know.
        I believe!:ram:


        • #5
          Re: On the other hand...

          On a positive note, I thought that the Defense was much improved and showed some real spirit. No kidding, they played inspired and had some decent stats.

          I am surprised by how the team responded on offense. I did not like many of the play selections from the OC. And....there should not have been 12-players on the field...that's basic, and Coach Spags is likely letting everyone know it today.

          Someone needs to coach Richie Incognito that after the whistle PF's only hurt the team and sends a message to officiating crews about his playing tendencies.

          Another thing, I noticed about Steven Jackson that bothers me is that hop & skip after he takes the ball from Bulger. At his size he can make the hole or at least help widen it without losing momentum from the handoff. Also, note that Steven is great at YAC's. Throw the ball to him more to keep the saftey's and LB's in check from the blitz. Mark would especially appreciate it!

          We got them Hogs in DC next week, so let's make some adjustments and get to 1 and 1.

          Very best to all for the week ahead !


          • #6
            Re: On the other hand...

            Originally posted by TekeRam
            No penalties on Barron. Don't think he gave up a sack either, but I don't know.
            Good point. As a renowned Barron critic, even I must admit that I'm impressed he came out of that place without a false start.


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