Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

24 Hours Later

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • 24 Hours Later

    How do you truly look at yesterday's loss?

    Are you embarrassed? Mad? Numb? Encouraged?

    Yes, I said encouraged.

    Me? Well, I saw good AND bad - mostly bad. The game was headed towards being a close one until someone counted to 12. At that moment, as soon as the ref made his decision, the entire team seems to have lost the will to win.

    I saw a passionate group of players. Sure, they made mistakes, but at least they had desire. I saw a team that made a lot of rookie errors, even some by the veterans.

    And I saw a team that didn't finish what they started.


    I did see a lot of young guys that need time to develop. That's something that 90% of us on this board seem to forget - that the team is mostly a bunch of kids running around with stars in their eyes. Give them time - no one here really expected us to go 16-0 this season. Personally, I expected more from these guys, but after 24 hours, I settled down and figured out we tossed a bunch of kids into the NFL and as fans, we expected them all to play like superstars.

    Next week, we'll see if they can skin the Redskins. I'd bet that there will be changes made before then, and we'll see those changes on the field.
    temp_4394_1467243487543_20
    RAMS!

  • #2
    Re: 24 Hours Later

    Honestly im just sick reading the same content but just different thread. Someone had a thread yesterday that was titled if ur part of the clan answer this or something like that which basically had the same question. .

    Yea it was bad yesterday but can we just move on? We go into DC and face the skins next so lets look forward to adjustments instead of feeling bad about how we got shutout.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: 24 Hours Later

      I just went back to watch most of the game again & come away encouraged for all the reasons you mentioned, Sam.

      Sure there were disappointing and frustrating prformances; Cogs and Little,for example.

      I also thought concerns over Bulger's finger were largely allayed. He threw with accuracy & velocity most of the time.

      The working relationship between OJ and Butler continues to impress.

      Bulger's completions and near misses to Laurent show me that LR's preseason performance wasn't a fluke. Not as consistent on either guy's part to declare him the next Holt but highly promising.

      I thought both top rookies played their hearts out and did much more good than bad on a tough day.

      The run and pass D seems to have exactly the same problems that the NYG had under Spags at the start of '07. They largely contain the run game overall but allow a big play here and there which turn the game's course significantly.

      Same kind of thing for the pass D; TEs & possession WRs had big days vs NYG in their first losses esp. Witten 6 for 116, Driver 8/73.

      That changed in Wash for the NYG. Portis ground out his yards but no biggies & Cooley was contained.
      V. little QB pressure; I think a sack a game for the DL in those first contests.
      The same things vs The Hags for The Rams. Dunno if Spags has the horses up front to fix them as fast as he did in NY or enough offense altogether but now that I've looked again, it sure seems like the defense has the same growing pains.

      The last and certainly not least thing that encourages me is that there were, to my knowledge, no catastrophic injuries to key players.
      The same young talent and important vets are likely to start next week. Rarely happened in the last two seasons.

      I hope Spoon and Hall were only dinged. And that Cogs' shock collar doesn't get lost at baggage claim this trip.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: 24 Hours Later

        I thought Laurinaitis kicked some major arse for you guys, and Laurent was very good.

        Im reading alot of rams fans say they think Bulger needs to go. Unforunately alot of fan bases are very reactionary, and the Quarterback always seems to get the blame, but lets face it, he's just 1 man. I think you guys need a better o line coach, and a full team defense good enough to allow your offense to actually execute the run first mentality your team is built around. You cant really pound the rock if you're playing catch up all the time.

        All in all though, there was improvement in rams land, even though a shutout makes it hard to see. The future is definitely bright for your young guys, but 1 draft isn't gonna make all the difference. If you have a decent front office they will give spags time to build the team in his image, instead of firing him after 1 bad season.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: 24 Hours Later

          I am still upset about the loss. I wanted a win and I expected a much better performance. At the moment I am working on lowering my expectations for the season and trying to be happy that we did not suffer any real injuries in this game.
          sigpic

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: 24 Hours Later

            I'm in an odd situation. I think our defense is in a better position, with a better coach and some players to succeed. But, as long as Bulger is playing behind that offensive line.. We won't be scoring much. Same as last two years. Sad.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: 24 Hours Later

              Originally posted by btimsah View Post
              I'm in an odd situation. I think our defense is in a better position, with a better coach and some players to succeed. But, as long as Bulger is playing behind that offensive line.. We won't be scoring much. Same as last two years. Sad.
              sometimes the top pick O linemen, and high dollar free agents just end up being a bust, its unfortunate, Im not a ram fan but if im correct, you guys have a decent amount of money spent on that O line right?

              Anyway, as a seahawks fan, we're kind of facing the same thing in Chris Spencer, we drafted him in the first round and he's just been gawd awful for us, it seems like even Vallos is an upgrade at this point.

              Just never know how college skill is going to translate in the nfl.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: 24 Hours Later

                Great question RFS! Always interesting to see what a difference a day makes -- or can make, or should make.

                Still feel VERY disappointed and sad from the battle we lost so badly yesterday. But, yes ... I too feel somewhat encouraged, mostly because it's only one game, the 1st game. I'm usually optimistic and the Rams are, right now, keeping my level of optimism right where I like it.

                I believe all three components, offense, defense and ST will improve gradually via good coaching. I realize this is more "feeling" than facts but it's how I deem our next few games.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: 24 Hours Later

                  Originally posted by bellingerga View Post
                  sometimes the top pick O linemen, and high dollar free agents just end up being a bust, its unfortunate, Im not a ram fan but if im correct, you guys have a decent amount of money spent on that O line right?

                  Anyway, as a seahawks fan, we're kind of facing the same thing in Chris Spencer, we drafted him in the first round and he's just been gawd awful for us, it seems like even Vallos is an upgrade at this point.

                  Just never know how college skill is going to translate in the nfl.
                  The problem is the entire line sucks. They always have, no matter who their coach is. Too many bad pass blockers who are not very agile and/or smart, combined with a horrible backfield at pass blocking and you have utter fail.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: 24 Hours Later

                    you know what is sad that most of you on here only put the blame on the o-line and nothing on bulger that sickens me. why dont you shut up about the o-line complain about running backs not blocking, wide receivers not getting open on full blitz's and bulger for not getting it to them. Lets just look at the fact that mark had more time to throw the ball the he did all last season. he had a pocket which he did not stay in. I am sick of it last time i checked the o-line didnt throw the dang ball. He missed open receivers that could have led to big plays. our o-line is not the greatest but certainly not the worst.

                    you ALL really need to look at yourself you bash people who says bulger sucks maybe you should bash yourself for saying that the whole entire o-line sucks. Everybody was at fault for that lame showing that include bulger, jackson, the teen squad, The coaches

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: 24 Hours Later

                      Originally posted by btimsah View Post
                      as long as Bulger is playing behind that offensive line.. We won't be scoring much. Same as last two years. Sad.
                      Oh great another bash bulger reply, but until he shows us different gotta say you are right. Here's to proving you wrong next week!

                      I predict 300 yard passing game for bulger~ ;)
                      LA RAMMER

                      It's Jim not Chris
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNgqQVHI_8

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: 24 Hours Later

                        I was impressed by your LB play, especially for it being soo young. I know this is hard, but maybe playing a much, much improved Hawks team at a very loud Qwest field will help you out for the rest of the season! I mean the Rams went through alot of changes and a slow start was really to be expected and maybe this past game excellerated the growing. The part I loved was watching Curry and Jackson getting into it for both teams. To me this showed that the Hawks rookie isn't afraid to mix it up with a complete NFL stud, and it showed the huge heart and fight that SJ has. SJ will will this team to wins this year no doubt, and it really might start next week. All in all it was just week 1 and in a wierd way both teams may be better off for what happened Sunday.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: 24 Hours Later

                          Originally posted by kegger56 View Post
                          I was impressed by your LB play, especially for it being soo young. I know this is hard, but maybe playing a much, much improved Hawks team at a very loud Qwest field will help you out for the rest of the season! I mean the Rams went through alot of changes and a slow start was really to be expected and maybe this past game excellerated the growing. The part I loved was watching Curry and Jackson getting into it for both teams. To me this showed that the Hawks rookie isn't afraid to mix it up with a complete NFL stud, and it showed the huge heart and fight that SJ has. SJ will will this team to wins this year no doubt, and it really might start next week. All in all it was just week 1 and in a wierd way both teams may be better off for what happened Sunday.
                          Great post. I too see that. We got beat bad week one. We really did nothing right, so we know exactly what we need to fix. It was a definite wake up call for our team and we know that we are still a developing team. I always saw Seattle as the hardest stadium to play in, good to get that out of the way first!

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: 24 Hours Later

                            Originally posted by Mooselini View Post
                            Great post. I too see that. We got beat bad week one. We really did nothing right, so we know exactly what we need to fix. It was a definite wake up call for our team and we know that we are still a developing team. I always saw Seattle as the hardest stadium to play in, good to get that out of the way first!
                            It will give some good game film and I think it's better than if you would have barely lost to a team that really struggled giving a "false sense of self" so to speak. I personally think that this game helped to point out flaws and will make the team work that much harder, especially since they were in the game until the 12 men on field thing.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: 24 Hours Later

                              It's great to see informed and intelligent discussion from fans of other teams on here- we need more of that. Welcome aboard, bellingerga and kegger56; I hope that you stay all season and not just make appearances when we play your team.

                              Originally posted by bellingerga View Post
                              you guys have a decent amount of money spent on that O line right?
                              We have two first round picks of our own and two very expensive free agents on our line, so it ought to be a lot better than it is. Of our first-rounders, Jason Smith was making his first NFL start, so we'll go easy on him and Alex Barron had a good game: he'll never be a stud LT in the Orlando Pace or Walter Jones mould, but he's far better on the blind side than he is on the right and can certainly make that spot his own.

                              It's our two costly FA acquisitions who were especially disappointing, though: Jason Brown was making his first start for us and can't have been helped by having Richie Incognito and Jacob Bell either side of him but one would still expect more from someone who signed a $37.5 million contract. Bell looked like a future Pro Bowler in Tennessee but has regressed markedly since signing his $36 million contract with the Rams. He really ought to go at the end of this year, unless he gets his act together again.

                              Originally posted by kegger56 View Post
                              I was impressed by your LB play, especially for it being soo young.
                              What a lot of our so-called "fans" seem to forget is that this is a very young team- I was reading somewhere that in the course of the off-season, we've gone from being the third oldest to the third youngest squad in the NFL. We've got young guys like Laurinaitis, Long, Wade, Avery, Robinson and others who have the potential to be very good players in the years to come. I'm not saying that they're all going to become Pro Bowlers, of course, but they all have the ability to do very well indeed. It's up to the coaching staff to extract that ability from them.

                              Anyway, in response to the opening question posed in the thread, I'm disappointed that we lost so badly and even more so that Spags seems to have absolved that idiot Cogs of all responsibility. However, I'm encouraged that we've got some good youngsters for the future. By 2011, I expect to see this team challenging again.

                              Comment

                              Related Topics

                              Collapse

                              • RamsFanSam
                                OK, convince me!
                                by RamsFanSam
                                I have read plenty of posts from people saying fans shouldn't look at the bright side of last night's defeat, that instead we should all don sackcloth and ashes, and mourn the death of the 2008 season for our Rams.

                                Convince me why I should!

                                I watched only the first quarter, but I did listen to the entire game. Of course, the TV broadcast was done by the Titans Network, meaning that the commentary was biased in favor of the Titans. The other 3 quarters was a mix of NFL's gamecenter and KTVI audio, niether of which was very good.

                                What I came out of the media barrage I witnessed is the following:

                                1. Marc looked a little rusty. Of course, considering that there was only TWO others on the offense who had ever played in Saunder's system, I expected to see some confusion. But, I guess that since Marc didn't launch a 99 yard Hail Mary for 6 on the first possession means that Marc is all washed up. After all, when a reciever isn't in the right place at the right time, it's always the QB's fault.

                                2. I also saw a really good defense beat our O-line. Considering that these front five guys have NEVER played a single game together before, We know it's all Pace's fault. He is all washed up, and we should have traded for Jake Long and then overpaid him to take Pace's spot.

                                3. I saw 2 passes go long, so long that no one on either team had a chance to get to them. It didn't matter that both times the recievers were double covered and had no chance in hell of breaking away, those recievers must suck, so we should have traded them for some untested rookie. Darn Linehan for drafting someone who has skills that our offense could use instead of some other rookie!

                                4. I saw our defense get beat up. Badly. Even though they made a solid stand in the red zone, we know they suck. It doesn't matter that some of our starters were out, we should have beaten the Titans back into the stone age with undersized, inexperienced rookies. It's all Haslett's fault for not having UFA's and rookies available that we can afford.

                                5. Our "wannabe's" didn't come back in the second half and win the game. Of course, they have had a whole 90 days or so to forget everything they ever learned about football just to learn football all over again. I forget that other millionaires such as Bill Gates have been there before. Didn't he have to forget everything he knew about Windows 98 to learn Windows XP in just 90 days? He didn't? Oh my. Those rookies and coaches have to go....NOW!

                                So, as you can see, I am NOT saying everything will be OK by next week. In fact, I'll be happy if we win 3 of our first 8, and come out 8-8 this season. I know all is not well in St. Louis as of yet, and I didn't expect it to be. Last year I had hope, because everything was in place. This year, we have a tougher schedule, most of our great players are either gone or they are getting...
                                -08-10-2008, 03:41 PM
                              • Rampingitup
                                Still a Fan (long)
                                by Rampingitup
                                As most of you know I have been ardently defending my team, offereing my views on some of the problems, and been strongly admonished by some of the very vocal criticizers for "making excuses". I will not stop defending my team. But that does not mean I am not as frustrated as everyone else by the regression of this team. But I am not reactionary by nature. I don't keep harping on one single player who made one mistake a full month ago, hasn't made any mistakes since, and has actually played well for the team. You want to harp on someone talk about a consistent problem, or at least a recent one instead of going back a month to have something to rag about.

                                Now having said all that;

                                I am finally starting to have my doubts that Spags is head coach material. Or at least not the kind of head coach that can come in and rebuild a destroyed franchise. It is kind of like taking a rookie QB, throwing him into a starting job on day one, on a team with very few weapons, or line to defend him, expect miracles (like being a Superbowl Veteran level player instantly) and watch him get beaten, battered, and destroyed until he no longer has confidence in his line, in his team, and in himself. I have seen several QBs over the years that I felt were really good, but got their heads handed to them as soon as the started playing and never fully recovered. Most of what I just said can apply to our QB Sam Bradford. But I think the analogy can hold true for Spags as well. He might have been a fine head coach for a team that didn't need much work or tooling to compete, but having to rebuild from scratch might be more than he is really up for.

                                For all the Harry Hindsight people, all of the O-Line players looked good on paper, and video, and scouting reports at the time they were recruited and signed. I remember all the glowing fan responses when we signed Jason Brown. Even the commentators thought we made a great pick up. The same goes for Saffold. On draft day everyone here was glowing about getting such a great player to help protect Bradford, and glowed even more after the way he played last year. Now of course everyone here wants all their heads on a platter. Now I can't fully speak as to what happened to make them all fall apart, and I wont go into any finger pointing shouting matches with anyone, but here is my suggestions on ways to try and fix it. First you may, probably, need to get a new O-Line coach. The one we currently have does not seem to be working. See if you can bring in a couple of former Rams, Jackie Slater and Orlando Pace, to help the unit gel back into some kind of form. Everyone makes mistakes, and you don't bench or cut someone over a single incident, or even a single bad game. But once the same person is consistently playing poorly it may be time to cut them loose. But bear in mind folks, there aren't that many players available to replace them. You can scream all you want about Highschool players doing...
                                -10-03-2011, 09:06 AM
                              • rNemesis
                                HOW CLOSE IS THIS TEAM TO COMPETING?(VERY LONG)Please provide feedback
                                by rNemesis
                                First of all let me just say that these last few years have been VERY frustrating and embarassing for me as a RAM FAN and I'm sure you guys are just as disappointed. I have watched my team go from the greatest show on turf to, as a washington post columnist said after the redskins loss, " the most miserable mass on grass". MY main question here is , " How far are the rams from being a decent competitive rock solid team? Its a long way to go; it doesnt happen overnight but it shouldnt take FOREVER either.


                                But I am not gonna sit here and talk about that all night. We know what has happened. We know what we've become. 13 straight losses dating back to last season. 3-13 in 2007 and 2-14 in 2008. 5 wins in the last 30 or so games? ( not sure exactly the stats) That is horrible.

                                Let's go back year by year as to how we finished record wise.
                                In the 1990's we were bad. But so were other teams which are now good today. But if you look at our 90's record to others, you will see that we were bad most of those years. Other teams had bad years too during the 90's but it was only really the lions, bengals, cardinals and saints. That should show you how bad of a team the Rams are. We never finished over 7 wins from 1990 up until 1999, which was our superbowl year. Which now tells me that the Rams have been bad, are now bad, and I hope we dont continue to be bad. But lately one has to believe that that is the penalty for our actions.

                                2000- 10-6 DECENT
                                2001- 14-2 ( excellent; we beat the pats that season but lost in the SB to the same :|)
                                2002- 7-9 Not bad
                                2003- 12-4 excellent
                                2004- 8-8 not bad; competitive
                                2005- I think we were 7-9 or 6-10 cant remember
                                2006- 8-8
                                2007- 3-13 horrible
                                2008- 2-14 lousy

                                I am not surprised at how we have fallen so badly. What I cant seem to understand is how fast we have fallen as such. How come we havent been able to stop the bleeding and bounce back like other teams have seemed to?

                                So tell me guys. How far off is this team from competing? Well, I look at the league and I have noticed that most of the other teams have playmakers in a lot of key positions. Why is that? Because they do a great job of DRAFTING PLAYERS THAT FIT INTO THEIR SCHEME WELL. We on the other hand have not done that lately. We have drafted players that have done well IN THEIR SCHEME and so it didnt matter to the previous regime ( Jay ZYgmunt ) if they fit or not the point was they wanted them so much that they drafted them regardless of their college scheme and success. In the era since Martz left, we have drafted the likes of busts ( or so they appear to be) like Tye Hill, Adam Carriker, Claude Wroten, Fakhir Brown, etc. The list goes on and on.

                                THIS HAS REALLY HURT THIS ORGANIZATION SO MUCH THAT IT IS REARING ITS UGLY HEAD NOW. Bad drafting has put us in such a talentless hole that...
                                -09-29-2009, 06:43 PM
                              • RamsInfiniti
                                And when the smoke finally settles ....
                                by RamsInfiniti
                                What are we going to see from this Ram's team?

                                I guess this is a pre-camp prognosis of some sort. I typically try to look at the season each year, and I usually come up with a semi-inflated, overhyped outlook of the Rams. This is simply because I love the Rams. You always make things you love out to be better than they actually are ...

                                Well, with this new, and improved, version of the Rams, I don't feel like I can make an accurate assessment. Honestly, I think this team can end up with anywhere from 4 to 10 wins. And there are a variety of reasons I believe this ...

                                First, I've indicated time and time again that I am a firm supported of the theory that there is not much gap in talent from team to team across the NFL. When we talk about talent, we talk about the physical and mental ability of players to be successful and make plays. Just because a player has talent does not mean he will be successful in the NFL, it simply means he has a shot. There is a reason there is an NFL combine each year. It is to see which players can physically, and to some extent mentally, cut it in the NFL. From team to team, across the board, the talent is pretty similar ...

                                What distinguishes how the talent translates on the field? Well, in the short term you have to look at experience, morale, the "system", the coaches. In the long term, you have to look at how well such players adapt to change, how versatile they are, whether they can stay healthy, whether they are content with where they are, who they are, and who they might be ...

                                So what are the major problems with the Rams of 2009? Simply lack of inexperience from my point of view, at least at most positions. Lack of morale at others ...

                                Look at what we have. A new upbeat coaching staff with a vision of a modern WCO and physical defense. A QB that is smart and accurate, a protypical freak of a RB, quick, agile fresh WR's, an established TE, a strong young offensive and defensive line, hungry young linebackers, world class speed and nice size in the secondary ...

                                So what's the problem? A QB lacking morale after the beating he has taken, injuries to that chisled freak of a running back, questionable depth behind him, WR's with little or no experience, no proven depth at TE, an offensive line that will be learning one another, undersized defensive line that will have to learn to be creative to take advantage of opportunities, only one proven linebacker, and defensives back that have tons of talent but all seem to be missing "it" with the exception of Bartell and Atogwe (wait to see on Butler) ...

                                So, what does this mean? The talent is there, no doubt in my mind. So what does this coaching staff have to do? It's three-fold in my opinion ...

                                1. Make the players forget - Make them forget they are losers, start them off on a level playing field. Get them...
                                -07-29-2009, 10:35 AM
                              • RamsFanSam
                                Let's All Panic, Demand Firings, And Act Insane!!
                                by RamsFanSam
                                OMG! We just lost by 44 points! The sky just fell, and NO ONE was prepared for the Rams to lose this game!!! The world is ending!!! It's Armageddon!!!! Next thing you know, there will be a show about amateur singers on Fox!!!

                                OK, so I'm overreacting like 90% of you are. Step back and take a breath!

                                Haslett has a BIG job ahead of him. First, he has to take this "reject squad" Linehan put together, and get them to believe in themselves again. Some never gave up, but a lot of the guys did.

                                So where are the problems?

                                1. The O line - they have moments of brilliance, but for the most part, they ALL look pathetic.

                                2. Bulger. I was even yelling for him to be benched today - and you all know I rarely give up on our QB. Today, he looked as bad as Rosie O'Donnell in Spandex. I think he needs to sit until he remembers how to play like he did in 2006.

                                3. Our secondary. Clearly, half of these guys will be gone next year.

                                4. Our RB situation - we put all of our eggs in one basket. We just didn't know that basket had holes in it.

                                5. OUR FANS. We really need to look in the mirror. When you are at work, do you do better with a little belief and encouragement, or do you work better with people on your rear end all day long? Personally, if my co-workers and the hospital patients were only spouting negatives at me all day long, I'd be very vocal about things - then I'd tell them where to go, and it sure isn't going to be Tahiti. Seriously, I know it's hard to have faith in a team that sucks like a Hoover, but unless and until the fans change their attitude, the players won't want to change their attitude, either.

                                6. The coaching staff - seriously, guys, why do you insist on entering a marathon while you are still on crutches? Watch a movie called "What About Bob?". Then remember - BABY STEPS!!!

                                Rant over. Whine and gripe, then fall off what bandwagon is left, or offer some constructive discussion. It's up to you.
                                -11-09-2008, 01:09 PM
                              Working...
                              X