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    Lack of skill, or silly mistakes?

    Hey clanram,

    I have been thinking about this topic for a while. I have come to the conclusion that the reason for our misfortune is that we lack player skill WAY more than making stupid mistakes. Outside of Oj Atogwe and Steven Jackson, I wouldn't say we have anyone that we could say is "great". Donnie Avery will definatly develop into a great reviever, but he needs time of course. Bulger is only as good as his O-line, and they aren't all that great. I thnmk we have tons of potential in players like Jaason Smith, Avery, Wade, Laurinitaus, and Long. What do you guys think.

    P.S. : I am a Bulger fan boy so I think if that line stays healthy and pulls it together, he could maybe have a breakout year like hid did 3 or four years ago. LETS GO ST. LOUIS!
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    Re: Lack of skill, or silly mistakes?

    Both

    New coach, new scheme, lot's of young folks on the roster and starting at that. It will take time. I didn't care for the 28-0 loss in week one either but I've been a fan for more than 25 years and have seen more downs than up.

    WE ARE IN A REBUILDING MODE !!!!!

    When we really start winning again there will be starters on the roster that are now freshman and juniors in College !!!!

    I'm here for the LONG HALL !!

    Maineram -

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    • #3
      Re: Lack of skill, or silly mistakes?

      Close to no skill. Its going to take a couple of years to weed out the years
      of bad drafting and free agent pick ups. :|

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      • #4
        Re: Lack of skill, or silly mistakes?

        A very young team, 3rd youngest in the NFL if i'm not mistaken, so it WILL take some time.

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        • #5
          Re: Lack of skill, or silly mistakes?

          Well we don't have a lot of skill so unless we play near-perfect football we lose. I guess the "mistakes" cost us in the game in the sense that if we played perfectly we'd probably win. But no team plays perfectly - Seattle turned the ball over 3 times and still trounced us - it's just that the more skilled teams overcome their mistakes a bit easier.

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          • #6
            Re: Lack of skill, or silly mistakes?

            What I saw Sunday was a coach that want's to instill aggression, but it was used too loosly (IE personal fouls). Get rid of "Cogs" as this guy will forever cancer your o-line. Take your lumps for the 1st 5 or so games then they will learn to work as a team and things will look way, way up. In the mean time hope teams overlook the rams. Love James L for the record!

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