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    Just some thoughts does the line make you miss Orlando Pace? I seriously have no idea why he was released and is a solid starter for the Bears now. He was a stud for years here. On a different note O-line play as of now is just not doing very well and its hard to imagine significant improvement as the season goes on. As another question do you see the line making improvement any time soon and what do you suggest happens to turn this around?

    Also if you can i'd like a good honest evaluation of our o-line what they have done well how each individual player has played and the bad they've done as a ,individual to somewhat give some more insight.
    Last edited by Lange; -09-20-2009, 07:49 PM.

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    Re: O-line issues

    Originally posted by Lange View Post
    Just some thoughts does the line make you miss Orlando Pace? I seriously have no idea why he was released and is a solid starter for the Bears now. He was a stud for years here. On a different note O-line play as of now is just not doing very well and its hard to imagine significant improvement as the season goes on. As another question do you see the line making improvement any time soon and what do you suggest happens to turn this around?
    Hind sight is 20/20 but it had to happen eventually. He wasnt going to make us a Superbowl contender so they released him to save some cap money. Sure I think he would make the o-line better but Barron has played very well so far, even though he had two holding penalties today. I hated the move personally but when you love something sometimes you just gotta let it go, just like with Holt. The Bruce move however to this day I still dont agree with.
    Aim high Willis, Aim High!

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      Pressure isn't coming from the left side of the line. It's all coming from the guards. Orlando Pace won't be stopping them. We need to work on the interior line. =/

      Barron - good. had a dumb holding penalty, but no false starts. no sacks from his side
      Bell - Doesn't do much
      Brown - Okay. Played one of the best DT's in the league.
      Cogs - Terrible against the pass. Good against the run
      Smith - Did pretty good for a rookie.

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        I watched the game today and I thought the Oline did a fair job. Remember, it's still a work in progress. It takes time for a line to "jell", and this line has had two whole games to get it together. It is better, and should continue to improve if they stay healthy.

        Some of the problems with the running game wasn't really run blocking. It was Jackson not being on the same page as his leading blocker, Mr. Karney, and taking the run where it was designed. One play in particular, just before the Avery fumble, I believe, Jackson had a huge hole in the middle of the field with Karney and a lineman leading the way. It was a probable TD, but Jackson did his Fred Astaire impression and danced right and into a tackler, while his blockers were clearing a huge hole up the middle. I turned to a fellow Rams fan and both of us remarked about the huge hole Jackson didn't see. I hope with time, like the Oline, Jackson and Karney will start seeing things the same and it will start to really come together.
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          I haven't seen either game, but as stated above and in all the reports I've seen, Barron is holding his own out there on the left side. I knew he could, and that he would. He's a natural left tackle for this league and now that he can play it, he'll start to shine. It's the rest of the line that needs to get it's act together.

          Speaking of the rest of the line, I'm assuming Cogs started again, was that true? How'd he do?
          I believe!:ram:

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            Cog's played pretty well in the run game actually, it's his pass blocking that needs a lot of work.

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              Originally posted by TekeRam View Post
              I haven't seen either game, but as stated above and in all the reports I've seen, Barron is holding his own out there on the left side. I knew he could, and that he would. He's a natural left tackle for this league and now that he can play it, he'll start to shine. It's the rest of the line that needs to get it's act together.

              Speaking of the rest of the line, I'm assuming Cogs started again, was that true? How'd he do?
              Cogs played great in the running game. Limited his dumb penalties. He's made it past this week. haha

              But Cogs made some great plays on the run. He would lock up with the defensive lineman, then move onto the linebacker for the stop. Quite impressive watching Cogs on the run.

              Pass though.... :|

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                Gotta hope Brown and Smith return to action soon otherwise we're right back to square one with this offensive line.

                As far as Pace is concerned, it's all about not wanting to pay an aging player what he wants. It is a fine line between being fiscally responsible and having that player sign elsewhere and be productive. The Rams have been burned terribly; London Fletcher, Isaac Bruce, kevin Curtis & Mike Furrey are among the players who have been let go and have thrived elsewhere. Pace and Holt are off to good starts with their respective teams as well. It makes you sick to your stomach seeing guys who could help you wearing the uniforms of other teams while you spin your wheels.

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                  Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
                  Gotta hope Brown and Smith return to action soon otherwise we're right back to square one with this offensive line.

                  As far as Pace is concerned, it's all about not wanting to pay an aging player what he wants. It is a fine line between being fiscally responsible and having that player sign elsewhere and be productive. The Rams have been burned terribly; London Fletcher, Isaac Bruce, kevin Curtis & Mike Furrey are among the players who have been let go and have thrived elsewhere. Pace and Holt are off to good starts with their respective teams as well. It makes you sick to your stomach seeing guys who could help you wearing the uniforms of other teams while you spin your wheels.


                  when we let london fletcher go our defense seemed to lose its identity.. and went into skidsville..

                  it was a waterloo moment in my eyes..

                  isaac bruce should have been a ram until HE wanted to go.. you just have to make that happen..

                  but then look at our management at the time.. explains a lot of it..

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                  • RamsInfiniti
                    Whoa! Wait a minute on the O-Line now ...
                    by RamsInfiniti
                    Yes, the O-line put us in some horrible situations today, particularly with the false starts ...

                    But look at a few of the screw ups ...

                    The 3rd and 1 that we failed to convert on a run by Jackson. They had a guy lined up left of the line that was free, and came around the backside and dropped Jackson in the backfield. I believe that is Bulger's responsibility to move players to prevent this type of thing from happening ...

                    Blocking against the 4-man rush and single blitzers was pretty solid. Not alot of run to run when it all comes down to it, but they could stack against the run at all times because our wideouts could get no separation ...

                    HERE IS THE PROBLEM. STEVEN JACKSON IS TERRIBLE IN BLITZ PICKUP. I believe he missed a block on three of the sacks. If he makes the block, Bulger might be able to step up in the pocket and make some type of throw. He is horrible at this, always has been....

                    So, remember, it's not solely the lines fault. The backs and TE's have responsibilities too ...

                    Regardless, the false starts are unacceptable. It didn't even seem that noisy in there.
                    -09-07-2008, 05:27 PM
                  • bruce4life
                    The offensive Line.. the decent and the down right ugly.
                    by bruce4life
                    I'll tell you this now can you guys name one play where Orlando Pace has gotten beat this season? He is not one of the rams problems this year folks.

                    The problem is Nick Leckey.
                    -09-17-2008, 12:53 PM
                  • sosa39rams
                    As bad as the offensive line has played...
                    by sosa39rams
                    We have thrown 67% of the time. That means we only run the ball 33% of the time. You have to cut the line some slack. Sure, they have at times been horrific. We have also played some great pass rushers (Trent Cole, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Justin Tuck, Jason Pierre-Paul, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata). I will bet the offensive line will pick their game up.

                    Coming out of this bye I actually feel confident. We can get caught up on things and fix up the CB situation a bit.
                    -10-09-2011, 08:47 PM
                  • laram0
                    The O-Line..The O-Line..The O-Line
                    by laram0
                    Our O-Line took alot heat this season from everywhere. They can't pass block, they can't run block..etc..etc..

                    Our last 5 games of the season were all losses but I'm not so sure it was the O-Lines fault.
                    Although there doesn't seem to be an exact science on how to grade the O-Line. I thought the following stats were interesting.

                    Stats for the last 5 games:

                    Rushing Attempts: 162
                    Rushing Yards: 676
                    Average Yards per Rush: 4.2

                    Drop backs by the QB: 180 (passing plays)
                    Quarterback sacked: 8

                    Just how desperately we do need O-Line hope for 2009????
                    -01-07-2009, 05:53 AM
                  • RamsFanSam
                    The '09 Rams: The New O-Line
                    by RamsFanSam
                    Just some hopeful optimism here, folks.

                    Our O-line is now looking to be Barron, Bell, Brown, Cogs, and Smith. (Not necessarily in that order.)

                    I don't know about anyone else, but I have a feeling that with Karney opening holes up for SJ, and the five up front doing the blocking, I have a feeling that we will be seeing Jackson making some quality runs this season. I would not be shocked to see his YPC above 5.0.

                    I also have a feeling that Marc will have a lot more time to throw this season. A full second more could make a huge difference. I would guess that he won't be making near as many attempts this year, but with the line we now have, and a back like Jackson, we won't need to play from behind and be forced to go airborne.
                    -04-26-2009, 01:21 PM
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