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  • Lay off Chris Long already!

    I am sick of people trying to put Chris Long on the "bust" list of Rams DL draftees. I understand the frustration over guys like Jimmy Kennedy, Damione Lewis, Adam Carriker and Claude Wroten, but Long does not belong with them.

    Don't get me wrong... he's not an impact player, as one would hope a second overall pick would be.... yet. That's right... yet. Plenty of DEs that became Pro Bowl regulars took 3-4 years to become the dominating players they became.

    The real issue here is sacks. Fans like sacks. Sacks are easy to evaluate. 10+ sacks, and you're a very good pass rusher. At this point, Long has not developed enough moves to be a guy who gets to the QB on a regular basis. Again, I'd throw in the words "not yet."

    However, in the meantime, the guy is showing some productivity. After two games, he has 11 tackles. That equates to 88 for a season.

    Guess how many DEs in the league had 88 tackles last season? That's right... NONE. (Trent Cole lead the league with 77).

    The Rams have a lot of problems, and a lot of holes. Let's focus on them, and let Chris do his thing.

  • #2
    Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

    Is he or is he not an impact player? He stiffled two screen pass attempts yesterday. The impact of doing such could be as crucial as a sack or two ...

    These plays may not show up on the stat sheet, but are just as important ...

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    • #3
      Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

      I notice they don't mention him sniffing out that screen yesterday. Nor do they mention his ability to be around the ball on every play. Pass rush will come around.

      I'm just glad we have an all-around player like Long, and not some one-trick pony that gets blown away on run plays with no gap discipline or ability to read on the field.
      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      • #4
        Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

        I very much liken him to Mario Williams who very much took till his third year to become a dominant pass rusher. Sometimes it just takes that long for your body to adjust and for the game to slow down for you. And sometimes it just takes a better supporting cast around you. The team is getting better, the game is obviously slowing down for him, now his body and speed just need to get there. He will be a great one in this league, just give the man some time!
        I believe!:ram:

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        • #5
          Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

          He works hard has the right attitudes and he has talent, I don’t see why with time he want become a great DE. Hay look at Williams with Huston Texas.
          :ramlogo:

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          • #6
            Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

            I think the problem is that a lot of people expect every DE taken in the first ten picks to be Jevon Kearse, who was a star as a rookie. However, if you look at the first 2-3 years of a lot of the top pass rushers in the league, you'll see a different picture:

            For example, here are the sack totals for several top pass rushers in their first two seasons (combined):

            Patrick Kerney: 5.0
            Aaron Kampman: 2.5
            Osi Umenyiora: 8.0
            Justin Tuck: 1.0
            Leonard Little: 0.5

            Many others made their jump from year 1 to year 2 (i.e. John Abraham, Mario Williams).

            The bottom line is that Long is progressing. If he finishes the year with 50 tackles and 7-8 sacks, he'll be ahead of the curve when compared to many Pro Bowl careers.

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            • #7
              Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

              He's by far our best DE right now but I hope he learns a few moves to generate a rush. That often takes time. He's one of my favorite players.

              Leonard Little isn't a good example because he played at LBer for the first few years.

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              • #8
                Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                I agree with you, no one can label Long as a bust. For a very inexperienced guy he has been making great plays. As RamsInfinit mentioned, he stiffled those screen passes yesterday and that is not something we can see just by viewing the stat sheet. I think he is physically talented, he just needs to be pointed in the right direction in terms of the mental part of the game and some techniques of the NFL.

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                • #9
                  Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                  I'm not worried about Long because it's clear he has great instincts, something you can't teach. The rest will take care of itself with a bit more time, experience and coaching.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                    Long is a machine, I don't get the bust talk. He's always around the ball, and is always giving 100%. Pass rush is something that he must get better at, but when he does he will be the complete package, and hopefully a stud on that line for many years.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                      Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                      I am sick of people trying to put Chris Long on the "bust" list of Rams DL draftees. I understand the frustration over guys like Jimmy Kennedy, Damione Lewis, Adam Carriker and Claude Wroten, but Long does not belong with them.

                      Don't get me wrong... he's not an impact player, as one would hope a second overall pick would be.... yet. That's right... yet. Plenty of DEs that became Pro Bowl regulars took 3-4 years to become the dominating players they became.

                      The real issue here is sacks. Fans like sacks. Sacks are easy to evaluate. 10+ sacks, and you're a very good pass rusher. At this point, Long has not developed enough moves to be a guy who gets to the QB on a regular basis. Again, I'd throw in the words "not yet."

                      However, in the meantime, the guy is showing some productivity. After two games, he has 11 tackles. That equates to 88 for a season.

                      Guess how many DEs in the league had 88 tackles last season? That's right... NONE. (Trent Cole lead the league with 77).

                      The Rams have a lot of problems, and a lot of holes. Let's focus on them, and let Chris do his thing.
                      Hey buddy while your at it, you might as well put Jason Smith on that list too!! He's only played 2 games but he just sucks man......lol

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                        I'm not down on him, I just would like to see some pressure on the QB. If the Rams don't pressure Rodgers next week, he'll pick us apart too.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                          I would never dream of bad mouthing Chris Long at this point. He is a worker and should continue to get better. He's played 18 career games. labeling him a bust at this point is both foolish and impatient. As Avenger said, there are more pressing issues with this team than the play of Chris Long.

                          That said, Chris Long was selected with the 2nd overall pick in the draft. Defensive ends selected that high are not picked for their ability to drop off and cover screen passes- they're expected to put consistent pressure on the QB and generate respectable sack totals. And that is what I expect from Chris Long in a reasonable period of time.

                          Comparing him to Mario Williams hurts the argument. Mario Williams has 31 career sacks, had 14 sacks in his 2nd season and 12 sacks last year in his 3rd- great numbers to say the least. Long is nowhere close to this yet. Because our pass rush is anemic, it is even more important that Long continues to get better at pressuring the QB.

                          Like everything else concerning the Rams, Long is a work in progress. But dividends will start paying off

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                          • #14
                            Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                            [QUOTE=AvengerRam;305060]

                            However, in the meantime, the guy is showing some productivity. After two games, he has 11 tackles. That equates to 88 for a season.
                            QUOTE]

                            The key word in that whole sentence was "equate" as we all know that is an estimate and not indicative of the real thing. At this point he is under achieving, and he needs to be moved to the left side where he can be more productive. DE is a problem spot because we can not put pressure on opposing teams QB's. Also Long is not discipline and allows big runs to his side of the field do to his tendency to forget his assignment and head straight to the ball (he has to keep outside contain). At this point he is a disappointment, much like Avery I expected more even ofter 2 games.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Lay off Chris Long already!

                              lol when i looked at the title when u said lay off i thought u meant cut him

                              But yea is transitioning into a good run stopper he is very active there. When he gets that pass rush tallent around he can become that great run stopping/ pass rushing DE.

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                              • DieHardRamsFan1381
                                make or break season for chris long
                                by DieHardRamsFan1381
                                dont get me worng i love chris long but he hasnt really put up a decent season yet. i mean at the end of last season i saw glimpes of how good he can be. but what is holding him back is it the supporting cast around him, the defencive scheme, or what. i mean in college he was a beast. i know the nfl is alot fast gameplay then college. but only 9 sacks in his first 2 seasons. mario williams first 2 seasons he had 18.5 sacks and played for a horrible team,jared allen had 20 in his first to seasons, and dwight freeney 24 sack in 2 seasons. i know chris hasnt had alot of other great players around him but his overall skill he should have know problem to have a 10 sack season. why is leonard little putting up better numbers then long. i mean since 2008 little hasnt played a full season yet puts up more sacks. why is he not an elite defencive end yet
                                -07-15-2010, 09:06 PM
                              • NJ Ramsfan1
                                Chris Long
                                by NJ Ramsfan1
                                I know you cannot accurately judge someone based on their first year in the league, but I see nothing from Chris Long that shows me he's a game changer or the 2nd best player available in the 2008 draft. I didn't see the game today- I said three games ago I wasn't wasting my Sundays watching guys that looked as if they didn't want to be there- but did Long even play? He was credited with zero tackles. Hardly what you want from a guy who was drafted to be an impact player.
                                -12-07-2008, 08:11 PM
                              • berg8309
                                Appreciating Chris Long
                                by berg8309
                                I know Long gets a lot of positive comments on these boards, but on the eve of pro bowl selections, I just wanted to point out a few good things regarding our #2 overall pick of 2008.

                                Chris Long doesn't have the gaudy sack numbers, but he still has a lot of sacks. He has 8.5 sacks, which is 20th in the NFL. However what this stat doesn't tell is how Long forces QBs to move into the arms of Hall and Robbins as they try to escape the heat he is bringing. This also forces the QB to move to their left, which for most QBs makes it harder to throw, they'd rather roll right (unless they are left handed).

                                Long also often forces a double team which leaves less blockers on blitzes and makes our overall blitz game much more effective at disrupting the passing game.

                                Speaking of disrupting the passing game, according to Footballoutsiders, Long still leads the league in QB hurries. Which means that despite the fact the sack leader has managed to hit the QB with the ball still in his hand a whole 5.5 more times than Long (Less than once a game), Long is making the QB get rid of the ball and potentially make bad throws more often. Don't forget that part of a sack is coverage, if there is no one to throw to, the QB is much more likely to be sacked.

                                At the end of the day what you see is that, despite the lack of gaudy eye-popping stat numbers that voters and pro-bowl selectors probably look for, Chris Long has been as dominant a pass-rusher as it gets. I doubt Hall or Robbins has the sack numbers they do without Long getting in the QBs face as often as he does.

                                So I guess my point is, if Long doesn't make the pro bowl, it doesn't matter, because what matters is that he is making everyone else on that line better even if he isn't get the numbers to back it up.
                                -12-28-2010, 03:17 PM
                              • RamWraith
                                Long limited??
                                by RamWraith
                                Anyone else notice how little Long played on Sunday? If you get a chance go back an watch the film. It was Victor much of the day on the left or right side, with Little coming in on the left on passing downs. Long played only about 20 to 30% of the snaps.

                                Hall / Victor and Long mixed it up on the right side.

                                Long was very effective the time he was in there...just very limited
                                -09-30-2008, 05:25 AM
                              • RockinRam
                                Rams' Chris Long ready to live up to expectations
                                by RockinRam
                                Dennis Dillon
                                Monday, May. 31, 2010 - 2:24 p.m. ET




                                ST. LOUIS — That Rams defensive end Chris Long owns a pair of six-month-old English bulldogs — Rambo and Chubbs, who can't last five minutes without getting some attention — seems about right.


                                Tenacity is one of the characteristics of a bulldog. And Long is nothing if not tenacious.
                                The former Virginia lineman lines up and comes at you on every snap. In his first two NFL seasons, he has recorded 113 tackles, nine sacks and 31 quarterback pressures.
                                "If he were a late first-round pick or a second-round pick, then I think you'd be very happy with where he is," Seahawks vice president of football operations Will Lewis said.
                                But the Rams made Long the No. 2-overall pick in 2008, and with that selection came a lot of expectations. Big-time plays routinely. Double-digit sacks in a season. Pro Bowl berths.
                                None of that has occurred, which doesn't mean Rams officials are unhappy with Long — they're not — but has left some skeptics wondering if Long is another in a procession of high Rams picks to disappoint. Long admits it has been a challenging road, both individually and as a team. The Rams have won only three games in his two NFL seasons.
                                Asked which word best describes his first two seasons, Long replied: "Hectic. Frustrating and hectic. It's just been hard to get into a rhythm or a flow, but I feel finally that time is kind of coming."
                                Since coming to St. Louis, Long has made the transition from a 3-4 defense in college to a 4-3 scheme, has had three head coaches (including interim head coach Jim Haslett) and has played in two different defenses.
                                But the statute of limitations is running out on the explanations. It's time for Long to have a breakout season — and it could happen in '10.
                                "I know some guys come in and make a big splash right away and maybe don't get better or reach that level again," Long said. "I felt like I was solid for a rookie in my first year, and I've just continued to slowly get better. I've made a couple big jumps here and there, but I'd really like to make that really big jump this next year — and I think that will happen."
                                The light went on for Long midway through the '09 season, during the Rams' bye week. Until then, he felt like he had been playing under a yellow caution flag, wanting to avoid mistakes instead of playing aggressively. Finally, he thought the heck with that.
                                "Once I was able to get back to that mentality, my game opened back up," said Long, who recorded a sack in three of the first four games after the bye.
                                Long still hasn't carved a reputation as a sackmeister, but he has more sacks than any of the seven defensive ends drafted in the first two rounds in '08.
                                "He may not be getting the sacks, but the effort and athleticism show...
                                -05-31-2010, 03:36 PM
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