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  • Why No Gado????

    Not that our running game has been a problem so far this season with Jackson, but I was wondering why Samkon Gado has not gotten any playing time in 3 games. He was the most consistent during the preseason but now that the season has started Darby has been the 1st running back in for Jackson. Gado has shown that he can be the spark that this team might need to kick start winning!!

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    Re: Why No Gado????

    I've been wondering the same thing. Gado really showed some flashes during the preseason and now he's been buried on the depth chart. I think the Rams could use him on all those third downs when Jackson leaves the field, which is something else that has me wondering.

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    • #3
      Re: Why No Gado????

      I think some serious questions about Shurmur's lack/misuse of players like Gado, Darby, all the TEs, and Avery in the passing game have arisen now that we have seen 3 game plans.

      Does anyone think Avery was the best guy to be running an outlet route on his big fumble in the Skins game over, say, Fells or McMichael? All his best traits are negated and his weaknesses exacerbated,imo.

      Darby showed excellent hands and YAC ability on his one reception in the last game.Never saw it tried again.

      Have Randy or Avery ever been a primary target deep where we have actually thrown the ball except as a desperation heave on a scramble/rollout ? The hardliners can kvetch all they want about randy's failure to scoop up that low & away fastball that stalled a key drive in the 3rd Q but that is a low % completion for a 250lb TE at the best of times.

      I'm sure someone will counter with "that's WCO; short passes that get YAC". Well, that's not true especially in the Philly version from which our OC came. Mcnabb throws deep plenty. The short passes and RB screens/swings set it up. What's the point of slamming SJ into the DL every play if you don't try to take advantage of the D's box-stacking that results? I don't get it. And do not tell me that we didn't have enough drives/offensive TOP to try it. There was less than a minute diff. in TOP in the last game.

      We are all concerned about the drops,etc, by both players but by allowing the field to be shrunk by the playcalling is only making it harder for these guys to get on track,imo. So when these guys, as 3rd or 4th option, do get a throw their way the window is so small that the pass & catch have to be absolutely perfect & ball security is even harder to maintain as gangs of defenders converge on them, never mind YAC.

      It's a phenomenon discussed last night in re The Panthers on MNF.

      To me, Woodson looked extremely troubled by our WR speed on Sun but I never saw The Rams try to pass deep on him & we seldom, if ever, tested their shaky safeties, either.We are in for a long year of poor pass production if the only time the QB is throwing to a WR or TE beyond 15 yds is when they are single-covered by a LB. That's playing not to lose,imo, and wasting SJ's titanic efforts in the run game..

      Boller's protection (much better than many seem to want to see in the GB game,imo ) & his mobility gave us even more chances to do stretch the field & ,once again, Shurmur's halftime adjustments, if there were any, didn't seem to reflect that.

      I thought we were done with forcing players into roles for which their talents were not suited & poor gametime coaching. Shurmur is a rookie & of course losing Bulger and Laurent early on made it even more difficult to try adjustments on the fly but I see a lot of progress being wasted in other areas like runblocking and pass pro by this risk-averse strategy.

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      • #4
        Re: Why No Gado????

        Sometimes it looks to me more like we are playing not to lose on both sides of the ball. Let's face it, we are not that good right now. So why not try some unusual(trick) plays and long throws and blitzes and stuff. At least once it looks like we are out of the game anyway.

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        • #5
          Re: Why No Gado????

          Azul, you hit some comments perfectly in your post. Shurmur came from a Philly offense that loves to throw deep to keep defenses honest. We didn't go deep ONCE in the Green Bay game, despite being down by 17 at one point. Even in our in vein attempt at a come back late in the 4th quarter we were still running and passing short.

          I don't see any reason why we're keeping a deep threat like Avery contained in short routes for the entire game. It doesn't make sense to me. With the safeties pressed up close to the LOS for run support, it then doesn't make lanes for the YAC on the short routes either. We need Avery running those long routes and catching some long balls to makes those safeties stay honest and upfield so that we can get longer runs and some YAC on those short slants. Hopefully we'll see some next game...
          I believe!:ram:

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          • #6
            Re: Why No Gado????

            The coaches need to do as much growing as our young players. I don't feel (especially offensively) that we are utilizing personnel the way we should be.

            So far this year, I'm really disappointed with what the coaches are doing.
            The Rams... Where dreams go to die.

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            • #7
              Re: Why No Gado????

              Originally posted by TekeRam View Post
              Azul, you hit some comments perfectly in your post. Shurmur came from a Philly offense that loves to throw deep to keep defenses honest. We didn't go deep ONCE in the Green Bay game, despite being down by 17 at one point. Even in our in vein attempt at a come back late in the 4th quarter we were still running and passing short.

              I don't see any reason why we're keeping a deep threat like Avery contained in short routes for the entire game. It doesn't make sense to me. With the safeties pressed up close to the LOS for run support, it then doesn't make lanes for the YAC on the short routes either. We need Avery running those long routes and catching some long balls to makes those safeties stay honest and upfield so that we can get longer runs and some YAC on those short slants. Hopefully we'll see some next game...
              Thanks,Teke. and while I got off the OP's topic with my little rant about the deep game, I think the same observations about Avery,et al, in the pass O can be applied to the conspicuous absence of Gado and minimal use of Darby in the run game. We all know SJ can get outside & turn the corner; we saw it repeatedly last game, but is he always the best guy to do it?

              Despite his overall superior talent,I really doubt he is the quickest RB on the team.
              Again, a lack/misuse of the available talent, imo.

              It really bugs me to see plays work then never see the light of day again.

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              • #8
                Re: Why No Gado????

                I liked what I saw from Darby on Sunday and if memory serves, he was pretty good at picking up the blitz last season. I don't know which I'd prefer to fill in if Jackson went down, but right now Darby seems like a pretty competent change of pace back.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why No Gado????

                  Good question Stable. I'd like to see Gado more involved in the running game, at least in some formations. :helmet:

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