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  • Bulger, Boller or Noll

    If all 3 are 100% healthy who would you start for the rest of the season? Why?

    The poll is expired.

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  • #2
    Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

    Who's Noll? Is he behind Null?

    kidding aside id want Bulger in there for the rest of the year, He gives us the greatest chance of winning IMO....even though weve lost 13 straight. I don't see Boller doing better and id love to see Null play, but i wouldnt throw him in until later in the season with less pressure on him and not as the starter, just 2nd half for experience and see what hes got.

    Id actually like to see Null play this week. dont know why im so excited about him but i am.


    • #3
      Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

      I want to see Keith Null start for us. Lets be real guys, we have no shot at the playoffs this year. We already know what Bulger and Boller are capable of, lets see what young talent we have on the bench. We need to evaluate if we can trust Null for the future, or if we need to draft a franchise QB.


      • #4
        Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

        The premise that all three are 100% healthy takes the reality out of this. Nevertheless, I voted Boller.

        1. Bulger continually gets hurt due to the constant pounding he gets since he is first and foremost a stationary pocket passer and our offensive line sucks. His repeated coming in and out of the lineup hurts any consistancy we can hope to achieve with our offense.

        2. Boller has NFL experience and is mobile. Given more reps with the first unit during the week leading up to each game can only improve his play and is our best option given the state of our offensive line.

        3. Putting Null out there sends the wrong message to the team. You NEVER give up on the season as a coach and say "Heck with it, play the rookies, we're playing for next year". You think this team sucks now, do that to your veterans and the atmosphere that would create in the locker room would be counter-productive and eliminate any real evaluation of play on the field. If Null gets in due to injury to Bulger and Boller, fine, but it would be fatal to put him in with Bulger and Boller healthy.
        Last edited by Guest; -10-02-2009, 08:40 AM.


        • #5
          Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

          I wouldnt start any one QB for the entire rest of the season..but id like to see Boller get a run with the team as i think these days Bulger is like Pennington (before the injury) they both are accurate but neither has the ability to make something out of "nothing"..i see Boller as more of a gunslinger who could possibly win us games that we shouldnt..sure he`s gonna give away more INTs than Bulger will.but he could possibly give us more TD`s... i think we could only win say 2 or 3 games max with Bulger and then that would probably be through the work of other particular Jackson and our D.
          Boller is more up and down..with his downs being lower than Bulger but i also think at this stage of their careers Boller`s ups are higher than Bulger`s ups.

          Bulger is the better QB but Boller gives us more chance of winning with the other parts that both QB`s would play with. our O-line is improving but i dont think they have improved enough to have a QB with Bulgers lack of mobility sitting in the pocket.
          id like to see Null start atleast one game before the season is out tho,just so we can see what we got to work with there in the future...hopefully with a couple of wins already under our belt.


          • #6
            Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

            Boller. Only because behind this line, you need some mobility. That's the only reason I would start Boller over Bulger.


            • #7
              Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

              Bulger, most experienced most accurate. If we are going to continue to play small ball and not go down the field and opt for short passes and expect the receivers to get some YAC he gives us the best chance


              • #8
                Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                Unless you want to see Bulger continue to get pounded I go with Boller. I agree with Big Red, Boller's mobility might be a game changer. This will add another dimension and perhaps open up a decent running game, which in turn will get a receiver or two open occasionally.
                LA RAMMER

                It's Jim not Chris


                • #9
                  Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                  Boller. He gives us the best chance to win right now all things considered. We have lost 13 straight games, we HAVE to stop the bleeding. I cannot stomach going 0-4, 0-5 and so on waiting all year to see if we hit 0-16 and match the Lions in futility. It's making me sick.

                  I don't think Boller is a very good QB, I would even hesitate to call him better than Bulger at this point. But I still think he gives us the best chance to win right now, considering the O-line & receivers that we have, maybe (probably) Bulger would be better with a great O-line and Bruce & Holt to throw to, but that's not what we have right now. Give Boller a handful of starts now and see what he makes of it - if he's no better than Bulger then by all means let's reconsider again in a month.

                  I just don't think Bulger should be the automatic starter when he has shown us nothing for 3 years.


                  • #10
                    Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                    I had to go with Boller, as well. I'm a Bulger supporter. But, with the offensive lines that we've had over the last few years he is not the same QB. With a better OL I'd go with Bulger. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Bulger needs a change of scenery. Then, I think he'll get back to form.

                    Boller provided a spark that I would like to see continue. His scrambling ability, age and fresh perspective has me giving him the nod. Working with the first team this week just may help him to be more consistent.

                    We can all pretty much predict what the game will look like with Bulger in there. We've seen it every week for almost two seasons now. Different games...same result.

                    IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE!!!!

                    GO RAMS!!!!


                    • #11
                      Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                      Jeff Garcia


                      • #12
                        Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                        Originally posted by Ahmedrams81 View Post
                        I want to see Keith Null start for us. Lets be real guys, we have no shot at the playoffs this year. We already know what Bulger and Boller are capable of, lets see what young talent we have on the bench. We need to evaluate if we can trust Null for the future, or if we need to draft a franchise QB.
                        Or we could recognize that Null's ceiling is "career backup", draft a franchise QB, and skip the part where he is decapitated by a linebacker in Week 12.


                        On second thought, can I change my vote to "Direct snap to Steven Jackson?"


                        • #13
                          Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                          Originally posted by McKnight
                          oh yeah, Because if you're not a top pick in the draft you can't become succesful in the NFL. you would think us Rams fans of all people would learn that you can't judge a Player when we haven't even seen him play yet. I bet alot of people thought kurt warner was a career backup, and guess what.. those same people are kicking themselves now because kurt is a HOF QB, while most of those coaches that passed on him are either no longer coaching, or coaching college kids. we do not know that Keith is a career Backup, I really believe that he is more than that.
                          Point 1. Kurt Warner is many things, including a NFL MVP and a Super Bowl MVP. A Hall of Famer he isn't. He wasn't good enough long enough to make the cut.
                          2. Kurt Warner had years of experience playing in a very fast professional football league that trained him to run a precision offense prior to 1999. Null is fresh out of the much less demanding NCAA Division II.
                          3. Most NFL starters were taken in earlier rounds than Null was, and those that didn't spent their rookie years at the least riding the pine.
                          4. Not one starting NFL QB is from NCAA Division II. Indeed, the only QB in the league who has played at this level of football (or worse) is Jon Kitna. It is logical to assume that Null is at this low level because of a talent deficit, especially given the tendency of I-AA to overlook discipline and grades in the name of talent.
                          5. On the subject of coaches, Ryan Leaf imparted his knowledge of QBing onto Null during most of Null's collegiate career. That's really not a confidence builder in my book.

                          Being a career backup isn't a bad thing in the NFL. It still means you are among the 70 best quarterbacks (give or take) in the game. Not every player taken in a draft is expected to start outside of injury in their career; backups need to be added too. However, we should not confuse that backup with a possible franchise QB. Null is not the future of this franchise.


                          • #14
                            Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                            Originally posted by McKnight
                            wow.. I do not agree with that at all. Kurt is going to be in the HOF. are you really telling me that there is not a starting QB in the NFL right now that wasn't in D2? please tell me that you're joking.

                            1. Kurt warner- Northern Iowa D2
                            2. Joe Flacco- Delaware D2
                            3. Tony Romo- Eastern Illinois D2

                            sorry if I sound mean, But I'm really into this right now. lol stats and player info is my thing.
                            They are NCAA Division I FCS AKA I-AA. Null played a division below that.


                            • #15
                              Re: Bulger, Boller or Noll

                              bulger's the superior quarterback, and i'm going to go with that guy over a guy with legs and no accuracy every time. i'd love to see bulger and boller both get their chances and run a 2-qb system to keep the d unbalanced. with our lack of playmakers at wr (especially with robinson done for the year) teams will keep a spy over the middle watching boller, so he won't be able to make those big plays with his feet like he did a few times against green bay, and his accuracy is beyond questionable, but still he is a little more versatile and would be a nice change-up to throw out there occasionally. it's way too soon to say anything about null, he could be the real deal some day but he has done nothing to show that he is anything but a student right now.


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                              • r8rh8rmike
                                Round Two: Should The Rams Give Boller Or Null A Chance?
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                11.03.2009 1:20 pm
                                Should Rams give Boller or Null a chance?
                                By Roger Hensley

                                QUESTION: Despite another rough outing Sunday, obviously the coaches still believe QB Marc Bulger gives the team its best chance to win or he wouldn’t be playing. Do you agree with that assessment or do you think it’s time to give Kyle Boller - or even Keith Null - a chance to run the offense?

                                JIM THOMAS

                                Even with the patchwork receiver corps, the results against Detroit - one of the worst pass defenses in the league - were underwhelming. But the problem with Boller is that he seems to be more mistake prone than Bulger, which leads to more turnovers. Null simply isn’t ready to start in the NFL, although it wouldn’t hurt to see him in mop-up situations.

                                BERNIE MIKLASZ

                                It’s time to get ready to draft a quarterback.

                                Unless the people running the Rams have lost their minds, Bulger’s time here is winding down. Boller is Boller: a more mobile Bulger, but not an accurate passer and prone to silly mistakes. I don’t understand the people who want to throw Null to the wolf pack and see the kid fail. Null came to the NFL from a small-college program that ran a spread offense, and he has received virtually no reps in practice. At this stage of his career, starting Null in a regular-season NFL game is crazily irresponsible. I wouldn’t mind it if the Rams worked Null into a fourth-quarter series here in there to get him acclimated, but nothing more than that.

                                As I wrote in today’s column, unless the Rams want to get RB Steven Jackson killed, they’d better get serious about drafting and developing a quarterback.

                                JEFF GORDON

                                Since the Rams just won a game, there is no reason to change quarterbacks. Had Bulger’s targeted receivers caught more of those balls within reach - like the would-be TD pass to Randy McMichael - his numbers would have looked better. The Rams need to throw more of those passes down the field. This is a check-down scheme, as it stands today, and Bulger is OK doing that. But how many more games can this team win checking down? When Bulger gets hurt again, Boller will get another chance. His mobility is a huge plus, but inaccuracy is a huge problem. As for Null, I would use him at the end of blowout losses to give him a taste of it.

                                BILL COATS

                                Boller isn’t a good fit for the offense, and Null simply isn’t ready to start - although I’d like to see him get some action in mop-up time. It’s become obvious that Bulger isn’t capable of reprising the kind of play he showed during his Pro Bowl seasons. Still, he’s the best option the Rams have right now.

                                KEVIN WHEELER (Host of “Sports Open Line” on KMOX)

                                It really doesn’t matter who takes snaps from center right now. Bulger isn’t getting it done, nothing in Boller’s track record suggests he would get it done and...
                                -11-03-2009, 12:39 PM
                              • rammiser
                                No one is blaming Boller?
                                by rammiser
                                Man if that was Bulger throwing those int's he would be getting ripped to shreds right now. Can Null possibly be that much worse than Boller at this point? Boller is the same guy he has always been. Inaccurate,inconsistant, but can scramble. Well Bulger haters wanted a qb who can scramble how is that working out for us? We only lost by 10 points to a terrible team. Boller throws a pic when he has a wr wide open and he under throws him. I thought boller was the strong armed qb? Sorry to say put Bulger in that same situation and that's a td not an int. Bulger is so much more accurate than Boller it's obvious.

                                I just find it funny no matter who is behind center the results are pretty much the same. This tells me the Rams woes are not solely on the qb. We managed to make Justing Forsett look like Barry Sanders. Our o-line is once again so banged up Boller was being hit before he could even set up in the pocket. Those sacks are his fault though he should be able to get out of the way of those big lineman (sarcasm off). Boller has heart, not any more or less than Bulger but he has less talent then Bulger.

                                I say throw Null in at qb if we can't beat Seattle with Boller there isnt a game left on the schedule that is winable. So why not give the kid a shot? I dont care if Boller gives us the best chance to win he has no future as a starting qb in this league. Null on the other hand can at least show us what he can or cant do. Starting Boller anymore is a complete waste of the fans time. Boller has not changed one bit since his days in Baltimore, and will not lead this team to victory. So that being said lets start Null PLEASE!
                                -11-29-2009, 10:14 PM
                              • Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                                Rams Leaning Towards Boller Now?
                                by Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                                "All week it's looked as though the St. Louis Rams would start rookie QB Keith Null against the Cardinals, but now Fox Sports is reporting that the team is leaning toward starting Kyle Boller, citing concern over the leaky protection offered by the offensive line. Last week, the offensive line, missing three starters, allowed three sacks against the Texans, who have just five more sacks on the season than the Rams. Arizona on the other hand has 38 sacks on the season, the fourth most in the league. So protecting Null from his own line is a valid concern, especially with LT Alex Barron lapsing into his old habits lately. Of course, it's kind of like avoiding sending your child out into the world for fear they'll get hornswaggled by someone calling themselves the "wallet inspector;" they have to learn to deal reality sometime.
                                Here's my two cents on why they should start Null. The Rams played with real passion last week, before ultimately being outmatched, but they were a much better team. Do not adjust the chemistry. There's more to it than just Null, but I think his play has been a big part of it. Formula's are complex and adjusting one seemingly little element of it throws the whole thing out of whack.
                                After the Null/Boller question, the next pressing issue will be what happens with CB Jonathan Wade. He was the starter along side Ron Bartell when the season began, but was quickly replaced by an emerging Bradley Fletcher. When Fletcher was injured Wade still sat, being replaced by a combination of Justin King and Quincy Butler. Now with Quincy Butler out for the season will Wade get some playing time or will King get more and Cord Parks, recently added to the roster, get more time in Wade's stead? Stay tuned for the battle of the third string cornerbacks!!"--Turf Show Times
                                -12-27-2009, 10:04 AM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                With Boller Gimpy, "Excited" Null Gets More Work
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                12.11.2009 2:29 pm
                                With Boller gimpy, “excited” Null gets more work
                                By Bill Coats
                                St. Louis Post-Dispatch

                                Heading into his third Sunday as the St. Louis Rams’ backup quarterback, rookie Keith Null acknowledged his excitement. “It is exciting as the No. 2, being prepared, getting some reps in practice and have a little confidence as you go in,” said Null, who has been No. 3 behind Marc Bulger and Kyle Boller most of the season.

                                Bulger (leg) will miss his third game in a row when the Rams take on the Titans in Nashville (kickoff is at 3:05 p.m.). Boller is expected to start again, although the sore thigh that he’s been nursing this week has added a bit of suspense to the situation.

                                After a full practice Wednesday, Boller was sore Thursday. So his reps Thursday and today were decreased, and Null’s were increased. Coach Steve Spagnuolo said after practice today that Boller should be ready to go.

                                “It’s a little bit better today, but not as good as we really want it to be,” Spagnuolo said. “We’ve got 48 hours, so we’ll see. I don’t want to look in a crystal ball. You’ve got to play with two legs, can’t play with one.”

                                Of course, Null doesn’t want to play at Boller’s expense. But he said he’d love to see some action, perhaps late in a game. “I think any time you can get in as a backup and get some experience, it’s definitely beneficial,” he said. “I would take that opportunity, for sure.”

                                Notes & quotes:

                                *RB Steven Jackson (back) participated in several plays during the early “install” period at practice but didn’t do anything else on the field.

                                *T Jason Smith (concussion) has been ruled out for Sunday’s game.

                                *These players were limited today: Boller, WR Brandon Gibson (ankle), LB James Laurinaitis (shoulder), DT Darell Scott (neck), WR Donnie Avery (shoulder) and FB Mike Karney (neck).

                                *Asked how the Rams hoped to contain Titans RB Chris Johnson, the NFL’s leading rusher, Spagnuolo quipped, “Oh, man . . . get 12 guys on the field?”
                                -12-11-2009, 04:42 PM
                              • eldfan
                                Rams' QB situation is muddled
                                by eldfan
                                BY BILL COATS
                                ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

                                The worst season in franchise history is over, and the Rams' quarterback situation is as cloudy as it was six weeks ago when starter Marc Bulger's year ended with a leg injury.

                                Neither veteran Kyle Boller nor rookie Keith Null did enough to assure themselves a significant role in 2010, and Bulger's return isn't guaranteed.

                                Null made his fourth consecutive start in Sunday's 28-6 loss to visiting San Francisco. Boller entered when Null came up woozy after being sacked by ex-Missouri star Justin Smith early in the third quarter.

                                "I just hit my head on the turf real hard," Null said. "I came off and my body didn't feel right and my head didn't feel right."

                                Sacked five times, Null completed seven of 17 passes for 57 yards, with no touchdowns or interceptions. His passer rating was 50.4.

                                Boller, who started the first two games after Bulger was hurt before a thigh injury and illness forced him to the sideline, fared even worse. He was sacked three times in going four for 11 for 23 yards, also without a TD or interception. His rating was 44.9.

                                "It's just frustrating," Boller said. "It's been a tough year. We've got awhile to rebound here now."

                                Quarterback play all season was spotty, at best. Together, the three completed just 57.4 percent of their passes, and threw more interceptions (21) than touchdowns (11).

                                Bulger, 32, has four years remaining on the $65 million contract extension he received in 2007. Boller, 28, was brought in on a one-year deal as the backup and wants to return. Null, 24, was a sixth-round draft choice from NCAA Division II West Texas A&M who spent the first 10 weeks as the No. 3 quarterback.

                                If any of the three pressed his case for a longer look, it was Null.

                                "Having the experience playing and then having the whole NFL season under my belt now is definitely going to help," he said. "I know that it may take some time and some development, but I know that I have the ability to do it."

                                Null added that he would return in the spring "with a lot more confidence. Now I have a heads-up on how to do things, how to prepare. I still need to learn a lot more in that area, but it's a start and I'm on the right track. ...

                                "I want to hang around here as much as possible (in the offseason), be around the coaches, be around the facility, do everything I can possibly do to try to get better."

                                All the better to position himself for a run at a full-time job.

                                "I think the best situation would be to have a chance to compete for that No. 1 spot, and that's what I want," Null said. "But I did start off as the third-string guy this year, so ... anywhere better than third string...
                                -01-04-2010, 04:29 AM