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  • #1

    Let's play gm

    A lot of us are talking about what we would do in this current situation, but there's not much we can do at this point. So with the current situation, what would do with this team this current upcoming season to turn it around immediately, to make this team a contender. Remember contracts still play a part, and there's the no cap free agency coming up, so the players we think will be there may not, and there's not guarantee they'll wanna play for the Rams. What QB would you bring that's gonna be better than Bulger? It's a lot to consider, it's not as easy as you think, I'm interested in seeing these ideas.

    My first thing I would do is bring in a WR who can stretch the field, actually I'd bring in two, Avery is a great slot receiver, not a 1 or 2. Against a 3rd string DB he'd be a big threat. I'd also make sure one of the receivers is a big target. We can't afford to trade away any draft picks because you need to still build the team. I'd then bring in a good RB to spell Jackson, you need a great 1,2, punch that way when Jackson's out you don't loose production. Bulger is fine, with three targets to throw to he'd be fine.

    I'd then trade Little for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, he's getting up their in age. I'd attempt to get a DE in free agency but if not I'd draft one in the 2nd or third round with LITTLE'S PICK. Carriker being gone is a big deal. I would stick with the 4-3 defense unless we could draft a big Nose tackle. I like bartell but I'd bring in another shut down corner and move Bartell to the two, and Wade to the three. I'd then use my draft picks to draft a QB, WR, DE, Safety, LB, G, NT, DB, not necessarily in that order. I'd use the draft to bolster our roster, and the same time find quality players with 1 2 and 3 picks.

    Being it's Spags first year, I'd give him two more years to turn it around, but I'd fire Shurmer and bring in a proven OC. I feel if the offense plays better and stays on the field and score, we'd have a top 10 D.

    what would you do?
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    Who gives up a 2nd or 3rd round pick to get a 35 year old DE who will be a free agent at the end of the season?

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      I would have to agree that WR could be a top priority.

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
        Who gives up a 2nd or 3rd round pick to get a 35 year old DE who will be a free agent at the end of the season?
        Who crawled up your anus and gave you the bitter bug. DE are always worth something especially if its a player known to get sacks. And if you can read cupcake you would have seen I said maybe get. NOT GET.

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          I think any contender could trade a third rounder for Little, he can still make plays and would be great as a situational pass rusher for a teams like the eagles, vikings, saints, or falcons. I mean look at who we got with our last few third rounders; John Greco, Jonathan Wade, John Alston, Dominique Byrd, and Claude Rotten. Would you not take a 35 year old L.L. for anyone of those guys?

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            Originally posted by jjigga3000 View Post
            Who crawled up your anus and gave you the bitter bug. DE are always worth something especially if its a player known to get sacks. And if you can read cupcake you would have seen I said maybe get. NOT GET.
            thats rude..

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            • #7
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              I know what you are saying about firing Shurmer and bringing in a proven OC, but I'm pretty sure we tried that last year with Saunders, and he looked terrible. IMHO, our current offense is making the coordinators look bad, not the other way around.

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                yah WR is the top choice I think

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by GolfnRAMFAN View Post
                  I know what you are saying about firing Shurmer and bringing in a proven OC, but I'm pretty sure we tried that last year with Saunders, and he looked terrible. IMHO, our current offense is making the coordinators look bad, not the other way around.
                  Exactly. You need talent first.

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                  • #10
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                    If I'm GM, here's my wish list:

                    1) Quarterback. We can debate whether Bulger could still succeed behind a stronger line, but one thing that is not up for debate is the fact that Bulger will turn 33 before the 2010 season starts. Time to start looking toward the future. If there's a legit top 5 player at quarterback, we take him hands down. But we don't need to waste our time picking a guy we only see as a mid-grade talent. When was the last time you heard about a star quarterback drafted in rounds 3 or 4? Seems like they either come from the top two rounds or out of nowhere way at the bottom.

                    2) Strongside Linebacker. What is the reason we can't cover tight ends. I'll take solvable problems for 200, Alex. If Chris Gocong hits free agency, bring him in for a chat. Or perhaps Thomas Davis, whom Ken Flajole would know from his days with the Panthers. Just don't break the bank on this one. This is a position that we really need to address, but we don't need to spend a lot of money or a high draft pick to land a decent strongside linebacker.


                    3) Wide Receiver. It's not that we don't have talent. I'm just not entirely comfortable gambling on Robinson's health and Avery's hands. If we're going to do this west coast thing, let's do it right. We don't necessarily need a burner, but we do need a guy who can make the tough catch when he has to and pick up yards after when he catches the easy one.

                    4) Defensive End. Little and Hall have been fairly productive so far this season (their current stats would project to 8 and 10 sacks respectively if they kept up the same pace all season). However, they are both among the oldest players on the team. Right now, opposing quarterbacks are able to escape the pressure too easily. I don't know if we have a true speed rusher on the team at this point, but if we had someone who could come in from the other side every time Long almost gets the sack now, it would make a big difference. I'm not sure if I'd spend another #1 on a defensive end, but I'd be very interested in second or third round guys who fit what Spagnuolo is looking for.

                    5) Offensive Line. When in doubt, draft the best lineman you can find. Not on the first pick, but any time after that is fair game. Jason Smith is the left tackle of the future, which means more than likely Alex Barron's days with the team are numbered. That leaves a question regarding the right tackle position: draft one? sign one? Give Greco a shot? Even if we don't go for a tackle, the Bell signing at guard hasn't turned out as hoped, and it's anyone's guess how thin the ice under Incognito might be right now.

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                      Originally posted by AlwaysBackwards View Post
                      thats rude..
                      It was rude of him to make the comment he made. The Topic was Let's play GM. So anything goes no ones opinion is wrong or right it's all speculation, so he could of left his bitter opinions to himself.

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                        Originally posted by GolfnRAMFAN View Post
                        I know what you are saying about firing Shurmer and bringing in a proven OC, but I'm pretty sure we tried that last year with Saunders, and he looked terrible. IMHO, our current offense is making the coordinators look bad, not the other way around.
                        YOu can say that, but his choice of play calls have been bad.

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                          Originally posted by Goldenfleece View Post
                          If I'm GM, here's my wish list:

                          1) Quarterback. We can debate whether Bulger could still succeed behind a stronger line, but one thing that is not up for debate is the fact that Bulger will turn 33 before the 2010 season starts. Time to start looking toward the future. If there's a legit top 5 player at quarterback, we take him hands down. But we don't need to waste our time picking a guy we only see as a mid-grade talent. When was the last time you heard about a star quarterback drafted in rounds 3 or 4? Seems like they either come from the top two rounds or out of nowhere way at the bottom.

                          2) Strongside Linebacker. What is the reason we can't cover tight ends. I'll take solvable problems for 200, Alex. If Chris Gocong hits free agency, bring him in for a chat. Or perhaps Thomas Davis, whom Ken Flajole would know from his days with the Panthers. Just don't break the bank on this one. This is a position that we really need to address, but we don't need to spend a lot of money or a high draft pick to land a decent strongside linebacker.


                          3) Wide Receiver. It's not that we don't have talent. I'm just not entirely comfortable gambling on Robinson's health and Avery's hands. If we're going to do this west coast thing, let's do it right. We don't necessarily need a burner, but we do need a guy who can make the tough catch when he has to and pick up yards after when he catches the easy one.

                          4) Defensive End. Little and Hall have been fairly productive so far this season (their current stats would project to 8 and 10 sacks respectively if they kept up the same pace all season). However, they are both among the oldest players on the team. Right now, opposing quarterbacks are able to escape the pressure too easily. I don't know if we have a true speed rusher on the team at this point, but if we had someone who could come in from the other side every time Long almost gets the sack now, it would make a big difference. I'm not sure if I'd spend another #1 on a defensive end, but I'd be very interested in second or third round guys who fit what Spagnuolo is looking for.

                          5) Offensive Line. When in doubt, draft the best lineman you can find. Not on the first pick, but any time after that is fair game. Jason Smith is the left tackle of the future, which means more than likely Alex Barron's days with the team are numbered. That leaves a question regarding the right tackle position: draft one? sign one? Give Greco a shot? Even if we don't go for a tackle, the Bell signing at guard hasn't turned out as hoped, and it's anyone's guess how thin the ice under Incognito might be right now.
                          Very good comment, all though I would take a proven playmaker at for the first pic, I believe with a playmaker you stretch the field on the D. Bulger has at least three to 5 years in him. So we have time to draft and groom a QB, we need playmakers.

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                          • #14
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                            Coaching changes don't usually get results right away at least not when there have been so many. I think for all the changes , these poor guys must have non-contact concussions!!!! That's one thing I have never gave Bulger a break for and I should.

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                              Originally posted by jjigga3000 View Post
                              Who crawled up your anus and gave you the bitter bug. DE are always worth something especially if its a player known to get sacks. And if you can read cupcake you would have seen I said maybe get. NOT GET.
                              Woah chilax I don't think he was attacking you, just saying that giving up a 2nd or 3rd for a 35 year old DE with an expiring contract doesn't usually happen considering how valuable Draft picks are. You could prove me wrong and name some teams who you think would do it.

                              Anyways to answer the question

                              1. Gotta draft your franchise QB. Start fresh with Locker, Claussen, or Bradford then build your offense around them.

                              2. Get weapons definately have to go after a TE in FA look at guys like Ben Watson and Tony Schefler who are athletic receiving TE's. Not alot out there with FA wideouts, so gotta go after your number 1 guy early. We will have an early 2nd, but if we see a guy we like we should trade up to ensure that number 1 target. Guys to look at are Damian Williams USC, Arrelious Benn Illinois, Brandon LaFell LSU, Mike Williams (Syracuse), and Dez Bryant Oklahoma State (trade up?).

                              3. Build through the Trenches- As a GM I'm addressing the trenches on both sides of the ball. Chris Long is going to LE and we are going to pick up a young pass rusher in the draft or FA. I also am going to resign either Hall or Little to help the young guy come along it will be either or not both older guys. I let cogs and Barron go, but we already have their replacements. Smith goes to LT and Grecco goes to RG. We need to a RT now in FA or the draft. If we dont add a guy in FA it will because we added a DT like Barry Cofield or Tony Brown to be a good UT and free things up for our ascending players Ryan and Long. If we do add a RT in FA we will get a DT in the third or 4th round.

                              4. Back 7 on defense- Definitely could use another LB and maybe a corner. Ton of ex spags players out there, but Chase Blackburn of the Giants and Chris Gocong of the Eagles will be the most attractive cheaper options out there. Both know the system and are well rounded players who can fill our whole on the strong side. Spags loves DEs and he puts them all over the field he could draft a DE and convert him to LB like he has done before in the past with Gocong, Kiwi, Blackburn, and others. We have enough young guys at corner. A vet who can be a starter or at least a nickle is desperately needed. Names to look at are Leigh Bodden, Ellis Hobbs, and Richard Marshall all fit the system. My preference Marhsall physical player who has played for Flajole in the past and fits the mold for CBs we are looking for.

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