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The Rams may be paying Bell a bunch of money, but Setterstom may not be easy to dislodge. He anc Cogs are likely the best run blocking guards on our team. It will be interesting to see what Spags does when Bell is cleared to play again .. Anyone else out there prefer Setterstrom over Bell?
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Well if we have to continue our fire sale of the team, I think he becomes easily expendable, considering Setterstrom's value right now.Comment
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I think that Setterstrom is definately here to stay. Always liked him and what he brought to the table. Just had a bad run in with the injury bug. If he puts that behind him, we could have a strong line. I am drooling over this possible line for next year Smith-Setterstrom-Brown-Icognito-Draft pickComment
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Setterstrom gets my vote! What do you think the chances are that Spags will recognize the improvement when he came in and make the change? Sometimes it seems like coaches either don't see what we see or they are too stubborn to make a change, generally speaking.Comment
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Never really liked Bell, I hope hes replaced next year.I believe he doesnt fit Spags blueprint for a lineman.
Could anyone tell me where were at with Jacob Bells contract, and the cap ramifaction's
if releasing next year?? What about a trade??
Any information would be welcomed.
GO RAMSLast edited by GroundDog39; -11-02-2009, 09:56 AM.Comment
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With Bell now apparently suffering multiple concussions in less than half a season, this might not be a tough decision. Things really began to click on the line with Setterstrom as well.
I hope Bell's injury isn't serious, but things don't look good for him. We'll see.Comment
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I've never understood the hate for Bell. I'd rather look at Setterstrom as the heir apparent for an exiting Richie Incognito.Comment
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I always like Setterstrom, his only issue is that he's always hurt!Comment
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He did a great job i'm not going to lie. He got more push than Bell, but it was the Lions. I want to see him against the a better saints line. If he plays like he played in Detroit start him and dont look back.Comment
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I agree with you on Setterstrom perhaps taking over for Richie, but I don't get the impression that Bell has lived up to his free agent contract. And if he can't stay healthy, then it's going to be tough for the team to count on him. Then again, you could probably say the same thing about Setterstrom, since he's had some injury issues as well. Plus, you can't rule out Greco, who is still probably a better fit at guard than he is at tackle but could very well get a shot to replace Jason Smith @ RT next spring.Originally posted by RebelYell View PostComment
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I'm firmly on the Setterstrom bandwagon. He played well before he got hurt when he was starting for a little while and now he's looking pretty good again.
Never seen much from Bell since we signed him, if he becomes a cap casualty next year I won't shed a lot of tears (though it's a shame we spent so much money on him).Comment
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I've never really been a fan of Jacob Bell. IMO he's too undersized. Setterstrom is a better fit for our offense.
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I do think Setterstrom at RG would work long term, however i like the idea of him playing LG because it gives us a bit more beef on that left side. With Barron and Bell on the left side of the line it doesnt give us much to run behind. Not that it really matters with the push we get through the middle and from the right of the line, but it would be nice to be able to power run off all sides of the line.
Also, when Incgonito comes back, does he automatically get back in the starting line up? Adam Goldberg seemed to do a very good job playing RG, but is he better being a backup that can play all along the line?
One player ive been very happy with as a free agent on the line is Jason Brown. I dont think ive seen him miss a block and he seems strong in the run game. Looks like we have found a long term answer at center thats for sure.@EssexRam_Comment
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Greco vs Bell (2nd SF game review)
by sbrown1021
July 17th 2009 from another site
Greco Vs. Bell
Bell started the game, and then came out after 2 series (3?), and Greco played the rest of the way....Here is what seems to be the truth:
Just my opinion…I didn’t know Bell was so weak, until I looked at him play after play. This is how I see him and Greco:
Teams find a weak guy and exploit him. It seems like when Jacob Bell plays, tackles push him off balance, and his shoulders are out of position (not square) all the time and therefore he has no power on most of his blocks; and then when a running back changes direction toward Jacob Bell’s space, Bell has done nothing to clear his man out of the way and the back gets no yards, or loses yards….versus when John Greco comes in, they don’t toss him around, at all. Huge difference to me. Honestly, I am not sure if I have ever seen such a huge disparity in theoretical strength required for the position and the actual strength the player has.
I have more hope for Tye Hill making a comeback, than JB being a good guard for the Rams….of course Bell says he is 15-20 pounds heavier…hmmm, sounds easy...just gain weight....
A center in NFL gets ‘help’ on straight ahead running plays, probably 90% of the time. Every O line coach assumes this, when diagramming plays. Only a few centers can take on a nose tackle and even managed a stand off. (Jason Brown is one!) So, it is ok to be ‘weak’ at center.
But, being ‘weak’ at guard, well that is a big problem…unless you work for the Colts or Mike Martz (semi joke,there)
Tom Nutten weighed about 280 ;lbs, which is why he got no push in the straight ahead run game, except for a few games. Nutten was a great pass blocker. Those old 80’s 49er teams had small guards too, but their ‘angle’ block schemes invented by the their genius OL coach, McKittrick, allowed for smaller, quicker guards. Those guards were made for pass blocking, pulling and screens. Jacob Bell would have been very successful, like Nutten, in the Rams GSOT offense….or playing for the Colts Run-lite offense, Bell would be a good fit too.
The moment Greco came replaced Bell against the ***** (week 16), the Rams line look solidified and they didn’t get pushed around on his side…Sometimes your brain plays tricks…could there be such a difference between these guys? How could Bell be starting? AM I high? How did Bell even start for a power run team like Tennesee? I must be wrong about him.
So, I thought I would make a comparision between Greco and Bell…in light of the emphasis on power blocking, it becomes apparent to me that even with 15 pounds Bell will not be adequate….though Jason Brown will help him a lot this year, if he does start!
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Greco, being a good tackle in college (similar to David...-08-07-2009, 09:14 AM -
As I was watching the Rams execution...er..game yesterday I noticed that Bell was out of the lineup and Wragge was playing in his place.
Anybody know what was going on with Mr. Bell?
(Or is it more accurate to ask if anybody really cares at this point....)
WHAT SAY YE?-10-03-2011, 04:00 PM -
Jacob Bell is 6-4 295
Alan Faneca is 6-5 307(only one inch and 12 pounds.)
Ryan Lilja is 6-2 290(shorter and weighs less)
Jake Scott 6-5 295
Mark Setterstrom 6-4 314
Steve Hutchinson 6-5 313
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The only one who is Much bigger that i have looked up was our boy Richie Incognito 6-3 330
But the point of this thread is that some of the good guards in the NFL weigh around the same weight as bell with a few exceptions. this wasnt a list of my opinion of the best guards, just a few decent ones who came to mind, what do you think?-03-03-2008, 05:31 PM -
Jacob Bell has a torn hamstring muscle
Posted by Steve Korte
12/14/2009 3:14 PM CST on Belleville News-Democrat
Left guard Jacob Bell could be lost for the rest of the 2009 season due to a torn hamstring muscle.
Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo said the team still is weighing whether to place Bell on injured reserve.
“They call it a ‘bicep tear’ of the hamstring,’’ Spagnuolo said. “It will not require surgery, but we may have to make a decision there on how long that is going to be.’’
Either Mark Setterstrom or John Greco will take Bell’s spot in the starting lineup.
Bell was injured on a 45-yard interception return for a touchdown by Vincent Fuller in the fourth quarter of the Rams' 47-7 loss to the Tennessee Titans on Sunday.-12-14-2009, 01:32 PM -
Is he really a bad player? Now I haven't been able to watch the past two games. So I don't know how he's been playing.
I'm not sure if this applies, but if the guys around you are terrible, would that make you terrible? What I mean, is since the line is complete garbage, is that making Bell look bad or is he actually playing bad?
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