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    To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

    And in my opinion, any further posts suggesting Null start this year should be considered off-topic, since it's a non-issue ...

    Billy Devaney indicated on the radio today that in no way shape or form would Null be getting an open tryout. Nor would Null be getting any playing time unless something drastic happens. Looks like they are looking at bringing back Brock Berlin. If this happens, fully expect Berlin to get the reps if Boller were to go down ...

    It makes very good sense as to why they wouldn't throw Null out there. Devaney plain and simple said it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team. For those that don't understand that, realize the Null gets very few if any reps in practice. He has very little grasp of the speed of the NFL game. Putting Null out there would be prohibitive to the growth and development of every single player around him, both offense and defense. This offense would be very limited in what they could do, and consequently very ineffective placing the D in a bad situation ...

    Hence, it just isn't going to happen ...

    SO DROP IT!

    BTW, the rest of the season is NOT a "wash" as some have called it. I am sorry to say, but uttering this statement immediately puts your football IQ in question, because every game and every second is important to players that are on a franchise in rebuilding mode ...
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    Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

    Originally posted by RamsInfiniti View Post
    And in my opinion, any further posts suggesting Null start this year should be considered off-topic, since it's a non-issue ...

    Billy Devaney indicated on the radio today that in no way shape or form would Null be getting an open tryout. Nor would Null be getting any playing time unless something drastic happens. Looks like they are looking at bringing back Brock Berlin. If this happens, fully expect Berlin to get the reps if Boller were to go down ...

    It makes very good sense as to why they wouldn't throw Null out there. Devaney plain and simple said it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team. For those that don't understand that, realize the Null gets very few if any reps in practice. He has very little grasp of the speed of the NFL game. Putting Null out there would be prohibitive to the growth and development of every single player around him, both offense and defense. This offense would be very limited in what they could do, and consequently very ineffective placing the D in a bad situation ...

    Hence, it just isn't going to happen ...

    SO DROP IT!

    BTW, the rest of the season is NOT a "wash" as some have called it. I am sorry to say, but uttering this statement immediately puts your football IQ in question, because every game and every second is important to players that are on a franchise in rebuilding mode ...
    Well I guess since you've decided we should all drop it we will. What else do you think we should drop? Talking about Bulger, or who we should draft next year? Your subjects await your decision oh high and mighty one!
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    • #3
      Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

      Originally posted by makersncoke View Post
      Well I guess since you've decided we should all drop it we will. What else do you think we should drop? Talking about Bulger, or who we should draft next year? Your subjects await your decision oh high and mighty one!
      You're right! We should continue to discuss meaningless aspects of our team that have already been shot down by the GM ...:|

      Sigh ... it never ends ....

      Bulger sucks, start our D-II QB Null, woohoo, this is fun ...

      Since the season is a "wash", let's deactivate Jackson and let Darby and Gado get the reps ...

      Maybe we can take a look at Sean Walker too ...

      Start David Roach at FS ....

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      • #4
        Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

        While "Infiniti" was a bit patronizing with his pronouncement about "stopping all Null posts", I completely agree with his two general statements.

        First, and understandably, fans want to see another option at QB since Bulger is hurt and we know what Boller can do. But it is obvious that Null is simply not ready. The coaches know what they have in Null, and it's apparent he'd be getting the practice reps necessary to prepare him for game action if the coaches felt he was a long term answer. He was not drafted as a successor to Bulger but was taken because of his potential to be serviceable down the road. That he "looked good" in the scrimmages means zilch. Will Furrer looked good in scrimmages a couple of years ago, and we all know what kind of career Will Furrer ended up having in the NFL.

        And second, I too have a major problem with anyone suggesting we just play out the rest of the season by essentailly emptying the bench, putting in a 3rd string QB to start the remaining games or going out there with less than 100% commitment to winning. Anyone who has ever strapped on a jock or has been a part of any form of competitive athletics knows that just isn't how it's done, nor is it anything that Billy DeVaney or Steve Spagnuolo- two proud individuals- would willingly be a part of.

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        • #5
          Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

          Originally posted by RamsInfiniti View Post

          Start David Roach at FS ....

          When he was coming out of college, some scouts called him the next Ed Reed.

          We should try giving him a chance.


          ;)

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          • #6
            Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

            Originally posted by Joshua
            after thinking about it, I agree with devaney.. QB's like carson palmer didn't even play in their first NFL season. by letting keith work the scout team, and watch from the sideline, he will be able to learn alot. so I guess this is the best thing possible. I am still gonna wear my Null Jersey!! haha

            I have to disagree there. The problem most of the old school FO guys in the NFL have is that they only see things one way. In this case they believe that QB's ALL learn better by watching the game from the sidelines instead of playing. That statement is probably correct for a large amount of QB's, however it is almost certainly untrue to generalize that about EVERY QB. In fact i would even say that it is untrue to say that about 2/3's of the QB's.

            Simply learning techniques are different for everyone. Some guys will learn better as they get out there and play and others by watching. So what if Null is one of the guys who progresses better while being out on the field instead of sitting on the sideline. Then by leaving him there in case theory 'a' of guys learn better by watching, isn't actually true for him we are in fact stunting the growth and the timeline of how long it will take him to be ready.

            I have never been one for not trying out new players and such. Who knows - Null could get out there and tear t up, or may slowly get into grove and by end of season be ready as a full time starter taking away the need for us to look for a QB. Why throw the potential out the door before exploring it as an opportunity? We already know Boller isn't our next QB. Give the young blood a chance to not only start but to grow with the team.

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            • #7
              Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

              Interesting problem though is that these are the same people who seem to think he's qualified to be a backup. He's currently the #2 QB and the only guy they are talking about bringing in (if they put Marc on the IR) is Brock Berlin. If Null is so unprepared to play in the NFL, what's your opinion of them if Boller gets hurt on the first series this weekend and they don't have another QB on the roster?

              And most people aren't calling for Null to start, just play.

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              • #8
                Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                I know nothing about Null. How did he do in the preseason and is there any reports of how he has been doing in training.

                Thanks Infiniti for the radio news from Devaney. I feel so far away from the rams. No local shows to keep me updated. The clan is all I have.
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                • #9
                  Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                  Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                  And most people aren't calling for Null to start, just play.
                  Correct, just a chance to play some .. On the other hand, it seems Keith is not highly regarded by the FO and coaching staff. Why? Who really knows other than the people who see him play in practice. The fact that Berlin will be signed if Bulger goes on IR speaks volumes about the teams' confidence in Null at this point. I am among the posters who would liked to have seen Null given the opportunity to play, but after reading the latest "Jim Thomas Live" along with Billy D's comments, it is clear Null will likely not be playing any time soon. At this juncture, I can't help but wonder if Null will be wearing horns next season. Hopefully he's making some progress this year ..

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                  • #10
                    Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                    Bringing in Brock Berlin is a joke. We and the RAMS know he's nothing more than a 3rd stringer.

                    Roll the dice......we're 1-9 for crying out loud.


                    If Null is that bad why was he drafted?

                    I'm waiting......
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                    • #11
                      Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                      This is ridiculous. Null isn't ready and he was a 6th round pick. He may or may not be talented but he is not ready to face NFL calibre defenses.

                      A 12 year old might be a genius, but he still isn't ready to take university classes. Let Null develop.

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                      • #12
                        Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                        Originally posted by codeman123 View Post
                        This is ridiculous. Null isn't ready and he was a 6th round pick. He may or may not be talented but he is not ready to face NFL calibre defenses.

                        A 12 year old might be a genius, but he still isn't ready to take university classes. Let Null develop.
                        If this is a fact, why has he been on the active roster for the last 10 weeks and is now our #2 QB? If Boller gets hurt in warm-ups or comes down with the flu, Null is starting on Sunday. Think about it.

                        Shouldn't we be questioning the decision to have this guy active all season if he's so horrible? Why didn't we just go with 2 QBs instead of wasting a roster spot on him?

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                        • #13
                          Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                          Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
                          If this is a fact, why has he been on the active roster for the last 10 weeks and is now our #2 QB? If Boller gets hurt in warm-ups or comes down with the flu, Null is starting on Sunday. Think about it.

                          Shouldn't we be questioning the decision to have this guy active all season if he's so horrible? Why didn't we just go with 2 QBs instead of wasting a roster spot on him?

                          Well, to be fair Null is our no. 2 QB by default right now. And if I remember correctly, they chose to put him on the active roster because they were concerned about him being signed up by another team if he were to lan on the practice squad.

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                            Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                            Originally posted by shower beers View Post
                            Well, to be fair Null is our no. 2 QB by default right now. And if I remember correctly, they chose to put him on the active roster because they were concerned about him being signed up by another team if he were to lan on the practice squad.
                            So the Rams believe he's unqualified to play in the NFL right now (after seeing him practice) yet they are concerned other teams will think he's qualified? Isn't this the guy that beat out Brock Berlin for the job yet now Berlin is being talked about as a #3 yet he played in the NFL just last season.

                            It doesn't matter that he's our #2 by default. If you don't think he's qualified to play, you don't put him on the active roster. Why carry 3 QBs at all? There were weeks the Rams ran out there 4 WRs and Avery was obviously still hurting. That's idiotic.

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                            • #15
                              Re: To put an end to the Nulpul decision ....

                              Tom Brady - drafted in 2000 in the 6th round. Appeared in 1 game in 2000 and had 3 pass attempts. Had 1 completion for 6 yards. He also came from Michigan, not a D2 school.

                              Kurt Warner - Undrafted in 1994. Did not play in the NFL until 1998. In 1998 he only completed 4 passes in 1 game.

                              Marc Bulger - Drafted in 2000 in the 6th round. Did not play until 2002.

                              Tony Romo - Undrafted in 2003. Didn't start until 2006.

                              The bottom line is Null is not ready to play right now. Everyone who has watched practices says he is not comfortable under center. Also, forget passing and reading defenses, he most likely hasn't even given a hand-off to Jackson yet in practice. Brady was the only player to appear in the year he was drafted and threw 3 passes. Even if Null does appear in one series this season, he is most likely going to be handing it off without even thinking of throwing a pass.

                              Also, how would you feel if the Rams quarterback selection this draft was picked up by the Dolphins or Chiefs (or any other team for that matter) off the practice squad. You would question Devaney for not managing the team properly. Having Null not appear this season isn't wasting a draft pick, but having a another team take him midway through the season sure is.
                              Last edited by codeman123; -11-25-2009, 01:37 PM.

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                                Keith Null
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                                I thought Keith looked good out there. He's accurate and seems to get rid of the ball fast.

                                Does anyone think he looks better than any of our other backups? I'm curious because we gave Gado the 2nd spot after his good performance. I'd be fun to see Null in there either with the 2nd or even the 1st stringers.

                                Get the kid in it.
                                -08-22-2009, 01:53 PM
                              • r8rh8rmike
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                                by r8rh8rmike
                                11.25.2009 11:53 am
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                                QUESTION: With only six games remaining and the St. Louis Rams sitting at 1-9, and with QB Marc Bulger injured, why are the Rams not considering Keith Null at QB so they can see what they’ve got there? Rookie QBs play all the time, surely he’s prepared after being with the team since training camp, right?

                                JIM THOMAS

                                Apparently this is hard for some to fathom, but Keith Null IS NOT READY. He played at WEST Texas A&M, not Texas A&M. It wasn’t until October that he even felt comfortable taking snaps from center. If you think Marc Bulger had communication and timing issues with Brandon Gibson, what do you think will happen with Null? To borrow from a Rams Park colleague, about the best thing Null has going for him right now is an absence of failure. And whether you’re 1-9 or 9-1 — this is the NFL. You play to win. This is November, not August. And right now, Kyle Boller gives the Rams their best chance to win.

                                BERNIE MIKLASZ

                                No. 1, Null is a very raw project. A small-college guy from a spread offense. He needs a lot of time to prep before he can start an NFL game. He’s at a disadvantage compared to other rookie QBs who played in major-college programs and in more pro-style offenses.

                                No. 2, he has had virtually no practice time at all in running this offense. It would be a disservice to the kid to throw him to the wolves. Why do people want to see him fail at a job before he’s ready to take on that job? What’s the point? Why get him massacred? Irresponsible.

                                No. 3, the Rams aren’t as high on Null as people seem to think that they are.

                                BRYAN BURWELL

                                Unless there is a major medical disaster to Kyle Boller, there is no reason to put a rookie QB who doesn’t forecast as a star into the lineup as a starter. Would I like to see him in for a look-see? Sure, but perhaps the Rams staff has already seen enough of Null and they don’t think he is ready yet.

                                BILL COATS

                                Null’s simply not ready. As the No. 3 QB, he’s gotten very few reps in practice since the start of the regular season because Kyle Boller does the scout-team work. It would be unfair to Null to toss him in there now. You would set him up to fail by doing so.
                                -11-25-2009, 10:41 AM
                              • BEER
                                Article on Kieth Null.
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                                Ryan Leaf was one of the most egregious draft busts in NFL history. He went second overall to the San Diego Chargers and failed miserably.

                                He alienated teammates, fans and media types. He suffered serious shoulder and wrist injuries. Later, after the Chargers turned him out, he failed to sustain comebacks in Tampa Bay and Dallas.


                                Now his protégé is trying to succeed where he failed.

                                As an assistant coach at West Texas A&M, Leaf helped develop Keith Null into a hugely productive Division II quarterback. Now Null is getting his shot under much different circumstances than Leaf enjoyed -– as a sixth-round Rams draft pick fighting for the No. 3 quarterback slot.

                                Many experts left him out of their pre-draft rankings. Others mentioned him as a potential street free agent, or “camp arm” as they say in the business.

                                But Null could become much more than that. He is a big prospect (6-foot-4, 220 pounds) with a big arm and a nice passing touch.

                                He offers intriguing physical tools and a productive collegiate background.

                                With starting quarterback Marc Bulger missing the rest of preseason play with a broken finger, Null will get additional work as he battles Brock Berlin for the No. 3 job behind Bulger and Kyle Boller.

                                Maybe, just maybe, Null could become a true developmental quarterback. His considerable potential could earn him a roster spot if he continues progressing through the preseason.

                                Null did not look like a small-town, small-school rube during training camp. He knew exactly what he was getting into when he reported to work at Rams Park.

                                Leaf helped get him ready. Null learned from Leaf’s fortune and misfortune.

                                “He has gone through it all, to say the last,” Null said. “He’s definitely had a lot of experiences. He has learned from all of those.

                                “We really enjoyed each other. I enjoyed having him as a coach and I know he enjoyed having me as a player. We got along great.”

                                Leaf’s tenure at the school ended abruptly and badly. He developed a painkiller addiction after his NFL career ended and that led to his arrest on drug charges.

                                But Leaf has stayed connected with Null while working through his personal and legal issues.

                                “He just called me two or three days ago and left me a message,” Null said. “I actually have to call him back. It’s been pretty busy around here.

                                “We talk every two or three weeks, He says in touch. He is very encouraging and helpful for me.”

                                Null threw for 5,097 yards in his senior season and capped his career with stellar Division II playoff and all-star game performances. Null threw for 595 yards and seven touchdowns against Abilene Christian in a playoff game and later earned MVP honors at the Valero Cactus Bowl.
                                ...
                                -08-20-2009, 02:53 PM
                              • r8rh8rmike
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                                Although he was nervous, rookie quarterback Keith Null let nobody know that the moment of making his first start was too big for him.

                                And, like most players making their NFL debut, Null’s nerves went away quickly.

                                “I’d say after the first play,” Null said. “I went out there pretty comfortable. It definitely helps to go out and throw a completion on your first pass so after that any player would tell you, you get that first play then you are out there playing football again.”

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                                Null took his first snap in a regular season game (and from under center, something he hadn’t done much of in his shotgun-heavy career), dropped back and delivered his first pass to tight end Daniel Fells for a gain of 7 yards.

                                It wasn’t the flashiest opening to a NFL career, but it was enough to shake the butterflies loose from Null’s stomach and allow him to settle in.

                                By the end of his first busy NFL Sunday, Null had a rough statistical day in line with what many rookie signal callers – let alone sixth-round draft choices with Division II pedigrees – would have.

                                But in retrospect, it wasn’t so much the numbers Null posted as the way he handled an extremely difficult situation that impressed teammates and coaches alike.

                                “Under the circumstances and how it all went down, I thought he handled himself well in the huddle, I thought he was composed, he had command of what he was doing,” coach Steve Spagnuolo said. “He’d like some throws back. I thought he stepped up in the pocket well and actually had some pretty nice throws. That part of it was encouraging.”

                                Null finished the game 27-of-43 for 157 yards with a touchdown and five interceptions for a rating of 37.8.

                                Considering that Tennessee represents one of the most hostile environments in the league with one of its toughest defenses, Null’s assignment was loaded with landmines before he ever was even declared the starter.

                                Last week, Null split repetitions with Kyle Boller in practice for most of the week. With Boller battling a thigh injury, Null got more and more reps as the week went on.

                                By Saturday, it had become clear that Boller would be a game time decision and Null was a viable candidate to start.
                                That made for some interesting moments for Null in the run up to the game as he awaited word on his role.

                                “I was going out, getting ready to play not really know what was going to happen and trying to prepare myself for whatever they tell me,” Null said. “I went back in the locker room, they told me I was going to...
                                -12-15-2009, 07:01 PM
                              • BarronWade
                                Null starting by November?
                                by BarronWade
                                Okay this is not a complete Bulger Bash.

                                This game could have been the fault of Bulger or his receivers. I like to just put the blame on soon to be ex-ram Richie Incognito.

                                When watching the game on tv or internet you really cannot see what happens to the receiver its not thrown to so i dont really know if it's there fault or not. I watched it on the live feed. I live in NJ and i watched the Jets game and in that game i saw Bulger throwing early because did not trust the line. This time he was a bit trigger shy and he had great protection. Bulger needs to be more aggressive! He was more aggressive at the end of the game and it drove us all the way down inside the seaguls 10.


                                When it comes to team leadership and running the Rams offense Kyle Boller is not the answer. However if have less then 2-3 again come November do you think Kieth Null will be the guy under center with Spags thinking about the future.


                                Also do you think we should put in some wildcat plays with Action Jackson behind Center and Donnie Avery the man in motion?
                                -09-13-2009, 06:08 PM
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