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  • Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

    11.25.2009 11:53 am
    Why not Null at QB for Rams?
    By Roger Hensley



    QUESTION: With only six games remaining and the St. Louis Rams sitting at 1-9, and with QB Marc Bulger injured, why are the Rams not considering Keith Null at QB so they can see what they’ve got there? Rookie QBs play all the time, surely he’s prepared after being with the team since training camp, right?

    JIM THOMAS

    Apparently this is hard for some to fathom, but Keith Null IS NOT READY. He played at WEST Texas A&M, not Texas A&M. It wasn’t until October that he even felt comfortable taking snaps from center. If you think Marc Bulger had communication and timing issues with Brandon Gibson, what do you think will happen with Null? To borrow from a Rams Park colleague, about the best thing Null has going for him right now is an absence of failure. And whether you’re 1-9 or 9-1 — this is the NFL. You play to win. This is November, not August. And right now, Kyle Boller gives the Rams their best chance to win.

    BERNIE MIKLASZ

    No. 1, Null is a very raw project. A small-college guy from a spread offense. He needs a lot of time to prep before he can start an NFL game. He’s at a disadvantage compared to other rookie QBs who played in major-college programs and in more pro-style offenses.

    No. 2, he has had virtually no practice time at all in running this offense. It would be a disservice to the kid to throw him to the wolves. Why do people want to see him fail at a job before he’s ready to take on that job? What’s the point? Why get him massacred? Irresponsible.

    No. 3, the Rams aren’t as high on Null as people seem to think that they are.

    BRYAN BURWELL

    Unless there is a major medical disaster to Kyle Boller, there is no reason to put a rookie QB who doesn’t forecast as a star into the lineup as a starter. Would I like to see him in for a look-see? Sure, but perhaps the Rams staff has already seen enough of Null and they don’t think he is ready yet.

    BILL COATS

    Null’s simply not ready. As the No. 3 QB, he’s gotten very few reps in practice since the start of the regular season because Kyle Boller does the scout-team work. It would be unfair to Null to toss him in there now. You would set him up to fail by doing so.

  • #2
    Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

    Originally posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    11.25.2009 11:53 am
    Why not Null at QB for Rams?
    By Roger Hensley



    QUESTION: With only six games remaining and the St. Louis Rams sitting at 1-9, and with QB Marc Bulger injured, why are the Rams not considering Keith Null at QB so they can see what they’ve got there? Rookie QBs play all the time, surely he’s prepared after being with the team since training camp, right?

    JIM THOMAS

    Apparently this is hard for some to fathom, but Keith Null IS NOT READY. He played at WEST Texas A&M, not Texas A&M. It wasn’t until October that he even felt comfortable taking snaps from center. If you think Marc Bulger had communication and timing issues with Brandon Gibson, what do you think will happen with Null? To borrow from a Rams Park colleague, about the best thing Null has going for him right now is an absence of failure. And whether you’re 1-9 or 9-1 — this is the NFL. You play to win. This is November, not August. And right now, Kyle Boller gives the Rams their best chance to win.



    BILL COATS

    Null’s simply not ready. As the No. 3 QB, he’s gotten very few reps in practice since the start of the regular season because Kyle Boller does the scout-team work. It would be unfair to Null to toss him in there now. You would set him up to fail by doing so.
    Unfair to Null?

    Set him up for failure?

    Hmmm.... Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning failed their 1st season. How'd that workout for them?

    How's Mark Sanchez the kid from the big school program doing?

    Now I'm not saying that Null is in the same class as Aikman, Manning or even Sanchez. However I would sure like to put the Null (is he NFL material or not) questions to bed. The RAMS would be foolish not getting this kid on the field at some point THIS season.

    GO RAMS!!!!!!!
    sigpic :ram::helmet:

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    • #3
      Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

      I realize that this is a news article, but this is also the 3rd thread about Null. Is there any reason this could not have been posted to one of the other 2 existing threads?

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      • #4
        Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

        Originally posted by laram0 View Post
        Now I'm not saying that Null is in the same class as Aikman, Manning or even Sanchez. However I would sure like to put the Null (is he NFL material or not) questions to bed. The RAMS would be foolish not getting this kid on the field at some point THIS season.
        What do you think the odds are that Boller survives the next 6 games?

        If Null isn't prepared to play in the NFL and he's our #2 QB (when they only go with 2 QBs), that's extremely negligent on their behalf. EXTREMELY. That's just saying that Null is 1 play away from having his career irrevocably damaged by being force to play. If they think Null is that ill-prepared, why wasn't he on the practice squad all season and a better option available in case of emergency?

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        • #5
          Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

          I think playing Null effectively tells the team, "we're packing it in for the season" and would crush the already fragile morale. This team is improving every week and showing more heart and determination that I can remember in recent years. We're finally finishing games, and making them close in the end, rather than being completely blown out in the second half. What kind of attitude do you think the team will have when the message being conveyed to them by the front office and coaching staff is that "we've given up on the season, and we're looking at the future"? It's certainly not a pretty picture to imagine, and a near certainty of finishing the season with one win.

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          • #6
            Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

            Don't you think most of them figured that out when they voluntarily took over $20 million in cap hits to cut Trent Green (is he better than Null?), Orlando Pace, Torry Holt, Chris Draft and Pisa? I mean really, when did they think this season was about winning?

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            • #7
              Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

              Originally posted by RebelYell View Post
              Don't you think most of them figured that out when they voluntarily took over $20 million in cap hits to cut Trent Green (is he better than Null?), Orlando Pace, Torry Holt, Chris Draft and Pisa? I mean really, when did they think this season was about winning?

              Well, they may not have been predicting a super bowl appearance this year, but I guarantee you that the players were and are still, primarily concerned with winning, and believe they have a chance to do so. I mean, it can be argued that we have less talent on our team this year, but we're competing at a much higher level.

              And they made the decision to part with those players to get out of the financial hell that the previous regime had left them in. I'm sure that if the Rams were in different cap shape at the beginning of this year, some of those players would still be on the roster.

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              • #8
                Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

                Can anyone please answer not onlywhy he was drafted but why he is still on the roster? If this kid hasnt been able to understand an offense after going through training camp and 9 weeks of football then why is he even in the NFL? Talk about a wasted roster spot.
                Aim high Willis, Aim High!

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                • #9
                  Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

                  I'm sure it boils down to what the coaching staff thinks NOT what the sportswriters say.

                  The fact that Null played at a small school should not be much of a consideration. Talent, ability and knowledge of the offense should be the key factors.

                  Top Ten Big Name NFL QB Busts:
                  1. Ryan Leaf
                  2. Akili Smith
                  3. Heath Shuler
                  4. Tim Couch
                  5. David Klingler
                  6. Cade McNown
                  7. Andre Ware
                  8. Todd Blackledge
                  9. Todd Marinovich
                  10. Dan McGwire


                  A Few Small School Success Stories:
                  1. Joe Flacco (Baltimore Ravens) – College: Delaware
                  2. Tony Romo (Dallas Cowboys) – College: Eastern Illinois
                  3. Steve McNair (Tennesee Titans) - College: Alcorn State
                  4. Jake Delhomme (Carolina Panthers) – College: Louisiana-Lafayette
                  5. Josh Johnson (Tampa Bay Buccaneers) – College: University of San Diego
                  6. Kurt Warner (Arizona Cardinals) – College: Northern Iowa

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                  • #10
                    Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

                    Originally posted by rammiser View Post
                    Can anyone please answer not onlywhy he was drafted but why he is still on the roster? If this kid hasnt been able to understand an offense after going through training camp and 9 weeks of football then why is he even in the NFL? Talk about a wasted roster spot.
                    Wasted draft pick too. But I'm going to hold my judgement until the future. If he ever gets to play that is.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

                      I think you guys may be jumping the gun a little bit on labeling him a waste of a pick and spot on the roster. I mean, you have to give the staff some time to coach him up, and to let him adjust to the NFL level. He was drafted to be in this role, not to come in immediately and contribute. In all reality, he should be given at least a couple of years to get adjusted. He would have been picked much higher if he were expected to come in and be a major contributor to a team. Just give him some time to develop.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

                        Originally posted by shower beers View Post
                        I think you guys may be jumping the gun a little bit on labeling him a waste of a pick and spot on the roster. I mean, you have to give the staff some time to coach him up, and to let him adjust to the NFL level. He was drafted to be in this role, not to come in immediately and contribute. In all reality, he should be given at least a couple of years to get adjusted. He would have been picked much higher if he were expected to come in and be a major contributor to a team. Just give him some time to develop.
                        This isnt immediately, this is week 10 for crying out loud and one of the writers said he looks uncomfortable taking snaps. How could you still be this inept 10 weeks into the NFL season? It's not like we are asking the staff to throw him in in week 1. He didnt look that uncomfortable in pre-season, and what do we really have to lose at this point. I want to know if the guy can play, if not see you later. We already know Kyle boller cant play and probably wont lead us to any victories so start the rookie. Null has had plenty of time to grasp an offense and if he still cant figure it out we wastd a draft pick on him. We've got wr's coming in and are expected to grasp the offense in 3 weeks and Marc Bulger expected to look great throwing to them, but Null isnt ready in week 10 come on.
                        Last edited by rammiser; -11-26-2009, 08:58 AM.
                        Aim high Willis, Aim High!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Round Two: Why Not Null At QB For Rams?

                          Personally I'm more inclined to believe the writers are completely over stating their position since we saw him take snaps in preseason but if they aren't, and he's truly that horrible, it's irresponsible that he's been on the active roster this long.

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                          • realchamp11
                            keith null
                            by realchamp11
                            i dont understand why people thought null was ready to start. He's a rookie and not even from the D1 level. He was/is NO WHERE close to being ready to be a starter
                            -12-13-2009, 06:52 PM
                          • MauiRam
                            Null continues fight for his QB position with St. Louis Rams
                            by MauiRam
                            BY BILL COATS
                            ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
                            05/26/2010

                            In a way, it almost seems unfair.

                            Keith Null was the Rams' starting quarterback for the last four games of the 2009 season. The two players ahead of him on the depth chart for most of the season, Marc Bulger and Kyle Boller, no longer are with the team.

                            And yet as organized team activities continue at Rams Park, Null is in exactly the same situation that he was last spring: fighting to land the No. 3 QB job.

                            "Wherever I end up by the season, I trust the coaches enough to put me in the right position," said Null, a sixth-round draft pick last year from NCAA Division II West Texas A&M.


                            Null beat out Brock Berlin to make the 53-man roster as a rookie. Null dressed as the No. 3 quarterback until injuries felled Bulger and then Boller.

                            That thrust Null into the lineup Dec. 13 at Tennessee for an NFL debut that was short on personal highlights. Null did throw a touchdown pass, an 11-yard toss to tight end Randy McMichael. But Null also was intercepted five times in a 47-7 thumping.

                            The Rams were outscored 122-36 and went 0-4 with Null as the starter, wrapping up their franchise-worst 1-15 season. Null completed 73 of 119 passes (61.3 percent) for 566 yards and three touchdowns, with nine interceptions. His passer rating was a woeful 49.9.

                            "I definitely wish I could get another chance to get back in and sort of redeem myself," Null said. "I don't think that I played as good as I could have."

                            Coach Steve Spagnuolo agreed. "He had some ups and downs, like you would think in a rookie," Spagnuolo said. "Here's a guy that probably didn't expect to play at all, and we had the injury situation. He made some good plays, and he made some bad ones. I know it wasn't probably as good as he wanted it to go overall.

                            "But I do think the reps he got were invaluable."

                            Again, coach and player were in agreement.

                            "These OTAs, as far as knowing the plays and calling the plays in the huddle, it's way easier than it was last year at this time," Null said. "Having one year under my belt, and then getting to go in and play four games, I'm taking all that with me ... and using that experience to help me."

                            The Rams signed veteran quarterback A.J. Feeley to a free-agent deal in the offseason, then spent the No. 1 overall draft choice on Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford.

                            Feeley has been getting all the first-team snaps during OTAs, with Null and Bradford alternating with the second and third units. Ultimately, though, Bradford will be starting and Feeley will be backing him up.

                            That means that the 6-foot-4, 219-pound Null, 24, seemingly will have to best rookie free agent Thaddeus Lewis to retain his roster spot.
                            ...
                            -05-26-2010, 09:39 AM
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                            Keith Null
                            by Guest
                            I thought Keith looked good out there. He's accurate and seems to get rid of the ball fast.

                            Does anyone think he looks better than any of our other backups? I'm curious because we gave Gado the 2nd spot after his good performance. I'd be fun to see Null in there either with the 2nd or even the 1st stringers.

                            Get the kid in it.
                            -08-22-2009, 02:53 PM
                          • r8rh8rmike
                            Bernie: Will We See Keith Null In Nashville?
                            by r8rh8rmike
                            12.11.2009 10:49 am
                            Will We See Keith Null in Nashville?
                            By Bernie Miklasz


                            It’s Friday, always a good thing.

                            Is Keith Null Ready to Go? The sorry, sad state of Rams football has reached the bottom and I say that because of the constant caterwauling for rookie Rams QB Keith Null. Things were bad last year, and plenty gruesome in 2007. The coaching and drafting have been abysmal. Players have had their careers destroyed by injuries. Coaches have disappeared. The franchise has lost 21 of its last 22 games. The team is for sale. And with so much failure — we’ve taken a battering as fans — it’s really difficult to identify the absolute low point. But I believe we have seen it, reached it. I believe we have arrived. When the only source of hope among the fan base is an obscure rookie QB fron Division II who never took a snap from under center until this year, when young Mister Null is viewed as the savior, when he is compared to Kurt Warner … well, ouch. Thud. Hi. We’re here. The bottom. That we’re actually talking about the kid is sad enough; that we’re actually arguing about the kid — with some promoting the idea that he could emerge as The Answer and The Chosen One — has confirmed an unfortunate reality. Yes, these are the Worst of Times for NFL football in The Lou. It’s come to this.

                            I’ve been portrayed as some evil leader of an anti-Null campaign simply because I thought it would be foolish to throw the raw youngster to the hounds when he’s never been prepped to start an NFL game. He’s a project, and projects take time. And I thought it would hurt the kid to be handed over to defensive tackles, defensive ends and blitzers when he hasn’t done as much as run the Rams offense in practice. Yes, the idea of sending Null out there to fail and get the flesh ripped from his bones and his brain scrambled by attacking defenders just seemed cruel to me. Why do it to the kid? I have, however, been in favor of giving Null some work here in there. Give him a series in the first quarter, a couple in the second half. Ease him in. That would be the smart play. But things have changed. Marc Bulger is injured and out. Kyle Boller is the starter, and the banged up Boller (thigh) has been limping around all week. Boller figures to get smacked around Sunday in Tennessee. The Titans are not friendly to opposing QBs. And because of Boller’s limitations in practice this week, Null has gotten some reps with the first-team offense. He’s gotten a chance to get a feel for things, even if it’s just practice. In other words, Null has benefited from actual pregame preparation for the first time. What does that mean? It means that if Null has to play Sunday, he should be a little further along in his readiness. Not close to being where he needs to be; but at least he’s had some legit prep time. And that’s important. I have a feeling we’ll see Null on Sunday. Boller throws his body around, he takes hits, he leaves...
                            -12-11-2009, 12:03 PM
                          • Bing69
                            Where is Null??
                            by Bing69
                            I was just looking at the rams practice squad on the offical site and cant see Keith Null on it! Has he been snapped up already??
                            -09-06-2010, 04:19 PM
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