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Ingram out Alabama comes to mind. Its time to shake things up! If the Rams are to get back to winning ways. That being said the Rams may have to trade Steven Jackson. The prospects of a QB out college taking over the reigns for the Rams is not great, so the best thing to do is get a FA QB in here. B QUINN, MATT LEINART, VICK come to mind. Along with a RB in the draft or top skills player will start to shake things up for this team!
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
I respectfully disagree. You do not "shake things up" by trading away your franchise player who has 5-7 years of good football left. We have needs elsewhere to address, and this is best served through both the draft and by shrewd acquisitions- which Devaney has attempted to do (Robinson, Gibson, Fells, etc.) since he became GM.
As for the QB situation, it is silly for people to speculate that these top guys entering the draft won't be any good. They wouldn't be touted as high picks if most people in the know felt they wouldn't make it and be productive NFL players. Furthermore, I don't like the guys you mentioned. Brady Quinn has done nothing to show me he's a guy to lead your franchise for the next 10 years. He can't even beat out Derek Anderson for the job on a woeful Browns team. Vick will never return to his pre-prison electrifying form, and he was NEVER a good passer- not a guy I want running things in St. Louis. And Leinart hasn't been able to crack the starting line-up since he entered the league. If he holds any promise, Arizona will keep him to take over for Warner, who has maybe a year or two left.
Fans have to understand that this isn't baseball- where blockbuster trades are common. Shaking things up requires a more gradual, "stay the course" type of approach, which is exactly what Billy Devaney and Spags are trying to do. We need to get this right. Gradually purging the roster of non-contributors and replacing them with solid players as opposed to looking for the "blockbuster deal" is the right way to go. -
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How long must we Gradually wait? Why Stay The Course when we can't even Make the Cut? THE TIME IS NOW!
There once was an old CARS tune....what was it?......Oh Yeah!......"SHAKE IT UP!"
Because the RAMS performance on this Course is well below Subpar!!!sigpicComment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
Those FA QBs you mentioned...
I'd rather just draft a rookie QB and groom him. I know it's tempting to get a ton of draft picks but thinking about it more and more, it just doesn't make sense. Trading away an elite NFL talent for more rookies is just absurd. How often have we said this year, "Where's the Veteran leadership?"
There is none.
Mission accomplished, we've become a young team once again, so yes we can start rebuilding but you need to build around your good players and to trade away SJ is like saying he's not good enough to be built around which is the furthest thing from the truth, wouldn't you agree?Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis RamsComment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
Unless a team is willing to give up 2 1st round picks and a 2nd and a future mid round pick + a developmental QB i dont think we are tradeing Steven Jackson
Jackson will give us 2-3 more good years and maybe 1-2 more productive year after that. So let's go get our Franchise QB
Why would we take a failed franchise QB as a substitution for a real one. QUinn and Vick and lienart failed
MOVE THIS TO DRAFT & FA sectionComment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
Ingram is a sophomore.. If you want an RB draft Toby in the 2nd.Comment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
I would trade Steven Jackson for nothing less than what the cowboys got for Herschel Walker, and that is never gonna happen again in the NFL. The only team I can think of that would do it is the Patriots, they need a running back and have several picks, and I will stop watching football and believing in humanity if Steven Jackson is a Patriot.Comment
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The pats never trade picks for players.. they draft their own players a coach them up. It would be out of their philosophy to trade for jackson.Comment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
I respectfully disagree with this statement. Actually the thing I fear the most is drafting a qb in the first round. Since 1990 there have been 42 quarterbacks drafted in the first round. Out of those 42 only 14 of those qb's have had some success for their teams. These qb's are as follows. Also success does not mean they were great qb's either.Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
E.Manning
P.Manning
Big Ben
Matt Ryan
J.Flacco
S.Mcnair
J.Cutler (jury still out)
D.Mcnabb
C.Pennington
D.Bledsoe
P.Rivers
A.Rodgers
C.Palmer
D.Culpepper
Only 4 of those qb's have been on Superbowl winning teams.
Eli Manning
Big Ben
Trent Dilfer
Peyton Manning
Now lets look at the last 10 superbowl winning qb's and their respective draft position.
2008-Big Ben-drafted 2004 round 1 pick 11
2007-Eli Manning-2004 round 1 pick 1
2006-Peyton Manning-1998 round 1 pick 1
2005-Big Ben
2004-Tom Brady-2000 round 6 pick 199
2003-Tom Brady
2002-Brad Johnson-1992 round 9 pick 227
2001-Tom Brady
2000-Trent Dilfer-1994 round 1 pick 6
1999-Kurt Warner-Un-drafted 1994
If it werent for Big Ben and the mannings this is filled with low draft picks. Just because a qb is touted high coming out of college doesnt mean anything. I dont see it to be neccessary to pick a qb with our first pick just because Colt Mccoy,Bradford,Tebow and Locker had good seasons. Locker in my opinion is the best of those four. We also dont need to trade away our best player thats just stupid. The reason we are bad now is because of our past draft failures. Hardly any of our draft picks from before the new regime are left on this team. I trust the front office and hopefully they dont do a knee jerk reaction and pick a qb with our first pick because that hardly ever results in success.Aim high Willis, Aim High!Comment
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I'll agree with you that it would be uncharacteristic of the Pats to do a blockbuster trade, my whole post was stating that we are never gonna trade Jackson. However to claim they never trade for players is a false statement, did you forget how they acquired Randy Moss? Sure it was for a fourth round pick, but never say never... ;)Originally posted by GSOT View PostComment
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Trade Jackson is the logical thing to do. In 2 or 3 years with jackson we will
still be a 8n8 team i believe. So why waste his trade value? He could get hurt
and be worth nothing in 3 years. For me, you get top value for him right now.
If he stays with us he is going to end up like Barry Sanders and I want him
to end up like Bettis.Comment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
first of all trading jackson is borderline retarded and second of all all those free agent qb's you mentioned have been poor nfl players outside of vick a number of years ago.Comment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
Shaking it up is the last thing this team needs.
We need Stability.
I know it is extremely hard as a fan not to drag all of the losing and bad decisions into the Spags era but if we want to ever win we have to let go of the baggage.
Spags is responsible so far for 1 year. Period.
While there is a lot I love about Spags #1 on the list is his steady, reasoned leadership.
If anyone has had the excuse to "Shake Things Up" it would be a rookie head coach that has had to face a lot of adversity and bad luck... but he has stayed stead fast.
You can't teach players, create a system and build a strong foundation if you let bumps in the road take you in a different direction.
While I know winning every game is important to Spags and Devaney I don't believe they have made a decision for this organization that does not consider the big picture 2 to 3 years down the road. This is what we need.
I loved 1999 don't get me wrong but I'm tired of looking for another miracle season. I want a team, God forgive me, like the Pats. With a chance to win it all every year.Comment
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Re: Maybe Rams should draft RB with their 1st pick.
Seriously, this thread AGAIN????
Even if Jackson was traded, drafting a RB in the 1st would be borderline dumb, at best ....Comment
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With all the talent that came back last year and with the CBA issue looming, lot's of JR's will be coming out this year making this draft a very deep draft.....which is good for an 0-6 Rams team that needs help at every position. That's right, every position....even RB. Not saying we need to go RB in Round 1 but this team needs playmakers, someone like a Sproles to help Jackson and on ST. The Rams have a chance to get better quick by picking high again in this draft.
This will be the year Deveaney earns his stripes. This is another chance like he had with the Falcons to get this team better quickly. With all the talent that this draft will have in it, it's imperative that the Rams start doing their homework now.-10-20-2009, 06:19 AM -
QB factor complicates draft picture
Sports Columnist Bryan Burwell
[More columns]By Bryan Burwell
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/02/2010
With only 43 more shopping days remaining before the NFL draft, Rams general manager Billy Devaney and the rest of his personnel entourage have descended on Indianapolis the past few days for the NFL combine with only one purpose in mind: find a way to fix this wretched mess of a franchise in record time.
When you have been looking up from the bottom of the NFL barrel for as long as the Rams have — and when the entire football world is just waiting to see exactly what you will do with the No. 1 overall pick — that puts an extraordinary amount of expectation on a GM's shoulders. Devaney, a little guy with an oversized competitive streak, privately simmers when he detects even the slightest hint that people look down their noses at his football team and how much disrespect — whether real or imagined — seems to have piled up on this franchise since he arrived here three years ago.
So now the best way to fix all those slights is to nail this draft. From start to finish, this offseason could be his championship season, a make-or-break shopping spree that could transform the pitiful Rams from embarrassing to competitive almost overnight.
"Obviously, everybody knows we have the first pick in the draft coming up," Devaney said a few days ago when he met the media in Indianapolis. "And I certainly hope this time next year when we get together, we're not talking about the first pick in the draft. Otherwise (dramatic pause) ... well, I really hope we're not talking about the first pick in the draft next year."
The dramatic pause with no words told a story as much as the words Devaney spoke. When his voice trailed off after that "otherwise," it sounded like a man who understood that the clock is ticking on his football life. "Otherwise" means that who knows what a prospective new owner might think after he has just invested upwards of $700 million on a team only to see it end up as the worst team in the NFL two years running.
In talking to plenty of people around NFL circles in Indy last weekend, everyone agreed on one thing:
Devaney has a huge challenge in front of him — some say it's the equivalent of stocking an expansion franchise — and he shouldn't be even remotely close to knowing for sure what the Rams will do with that No. 1 pick.
"If they've already made up their minds at this stage of the process, they're crazy," said one longtime NFL executive. "It would be like buying a house and not going inside to see what it's like. You need an inspector to check the pipes, the roof, the electricity."
Devaney and head coach Steve Spagnuolo have a lot of work to do before they begin to sort out all the...-03-02-2010, 12:01 PM -
By Jeff Gordon
STLTODAY.COM SPORTS COLUMNIST
Monday, Dec. 15 2008
The NFL Draft industry is humming along, filling the Internet with breathless
speculation about which young hopeful will go to which also-ran team.
The crummy pro teams aren’t done jockeying for draft position, of course, and
dozens of top draft-eligible underclassmen haven’t decided whether to come out.
Still, several of these projections have the Rams taking Ohio State cornerback
Malcolm Jenkins. Another mock draft had the Rams taking massive Alabama tackle
Andre Smith, who has literally outgrown his college uniform.
Another had Smith off the board and the Rams taking Mississippi tackle Michael
Oher instead. Another had the team taking Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford.
A couple of others tabbed Virginia tackle Eugene Monroe for Chip Rosenbloom’s
juggernaut.
All of this is exciting for Rams fans weary of watching the team lose. All this
is more fun than speculating about whether the interim owner, management team
and coach will remain in place for 2009.
Many fans agree with my P-D colleague Bryan Burwell, who sees value in the Rams
losing out to secure the highest possible draft position.
But here’s the deal: The NFL Draft is, by far, the most overblown sporting
event on our professional landscape. The agony and ecstasy experienced during
the first day are the most misspent emotions in all of fandom.
Of course the draft is important. Of course it’s nice to gain better draft
position.
We’ve learned, though, that fifth-round picks (Clifton Ryan) can turn out
better than first-round picks (Jimmy Kennedy). A player picked 19th overall
(Antonio Cromartie) can prove infinitely more valuable than a guy picked 15th
(Tye Hill) in the same draft.
And the draft is just one of the building or rebuilding tools for a football
operation. Just ask the Detroit Lions, a franchise that has top picks in every
draft and loses every season.
A team must accumulate about 60 worthy players in any given season, factoring
in injuries, and a good GM will find a couple of impact players and three or
four solid players in every draft. That's it.
The Rams would get an impact player second overall . . . or fourth overall . .
. or sixth overall. What does it matter where the team picks?
The team needs everything but a kicker and a punter, so any of the consensus
top 10 players would help. The Rams could trade down from a higher pick and get
extra middle-round picks, but all that would accomplish is (maybe) adding some
depth.
So the Rams might as well try to win another game this season, allowing the
cornerstone players to...-12-16-2008, 04:30 AM -
If we get the first pick in the draft and colts get the 2nd what do you honestly think (not hope) we would get if we traded the pick.Im not talking about trading Sam drafting luck or any of that im simply wondering what you guys think the price is at for the 1st overall pick.It would basically be the rights to get Luck for any1 interested,i think we should trade it to the highest bidder.As much as i want Justin Blackmon lets not kid ourselves we are more than 1 player away from being a legitimate team.Yea we can add Justin and we could go 6-10/8-8 or whatever but im talking about 10+ wins thats what i wanna build for.We need depth,we need a quantity of players not just 1 WR to make this team good again.I have heard so many rumors on the value of the 1st pick from 2 1st rounders all the way to 6 LOL (saw an article on PFT)I think 6 is insane and unrealistic but i honestly think we could get 3 1's easy and possible 4 1's with a 2nd or or 2.With the new CBA the first overall pick is more valuable because you wont be stuck ball and chain with a 1st overall pick like previous years because the contract is nowhere near as large.So i think now is the time if any1 were to trade for the 1st pick this is the year,especially with all the hype about Luck (most over hyped QB ive ever seen).What do you guys think whats the value is we get the 1st pick??-12-24-2011, 07:26 PM
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My first post in a while...
Now that we have an owner who is used to winning in place, I am hoping the whole boy-scout thing is thrown out the window. Let's be honest people a professional sports team filled with boy scouts has never won a championship, it just doesn't happen.
Now, I think we can win at the very least 6 games this season. But I pose the question to you... at the end of this season depending on the outlandish chance that we make the postseason, do you foresee Spagnuolo and Devaney getting the ax?
I personally do. I love Spags don't get me wrong, but I just don't think he has what it takes to be a head coach. I also personally feel that Devaney is too passive in terms of willing to make a big move to be a GM in the NFL. I would personally love to see Stan next season bring in a winner and excellent head coach in Jon Gruden.
Thoughts?Yay4Nay28-08-25-2010, 11:17 PM
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