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    There are no two words guaranteed to stir the pot and enrage followers of a certain team like the words "True Fan". When one's loyalty is questioned or someone accuses someone else of being "less a fan" because they don't agree with them on a variety of issues, it is the equivalent of hitting below the belt. When phrases like "See Ya", "Don't let the Door hit you in the ***", Goodbye and Good Riddance" are thrown about, it is both insulting and juvenile.

    I submit to you the following scenarios:

    1. A guy decides to avoid being a slave to the television each Sunday and do something constructive instead of watching bad football. He chooses to play with his kids, do yard work, go to the gym or whatever. Can he no longer call himself a Rams fan?
    2. A guy decides to cancel his NFL ticket package because he doesn't want to pay good money for the "privilege" of being ticked off during Rams football in light of their 6 wins over the past three seasons. Is he no longer a true fan?
    3. A guy with Rams season tickets decides to give his tickets away/ sell at a reduced rate and not go to the games. Is he no longer a "True Rams Fan"?
    4. A guy pays $100.00 to go see the Rams on the road. The team is down 38-0 AT THE HALF. He elects to go home with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter to resist the urge of killing idiot home fans while watching a non-effort. Is he no longer a true fan? (By the way, this was me at last yrs. Rams-Jets disaster- the worst football game this franchise has ever played).
    5. Absolutely sick to death from losing and not having anything to cheer about, a fan rips the team and/or individual players/management on this forum or elsewhere. He is more negative than positive because there is much more negative than positive happening on the field, and it is his way to vent. Is he now considered less of a fan?

    I'm sorry, but in my opinion, if you answered anything other than "NO" to any of the above, you have it wrong. As far as I'm concerned, everyone on this board is a true fan for coming on here and commenting on this weekly gut ache called Rams football.

    Wondering what you think-

  • #2
    Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

    As I said somewhere else, I've never thought that terms like 'true fan' were helpful because they tend to be purely inflammatory and are intended to be so.

    Recently however, the lack of quality on the boards have made me empathise with it. It could be or course that this is a symptom of my own dissatisfaction with the Rams performance but I rather think its because I've never had much time for stuff like 'Bulger SUX' or firing a first-year head coach.

    If people (and I'm not saying you're amongst them) post up such porridge they should realise that such terms are likely to be applied.


    • #3
      Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

      I think a fan is a fan, some fans are more passionate than others but I don't think it makes one more of a fan than another. I love to watch the Rams on Sunday no matter how bad or how well they play. It is entertainment for me, if they win I'm happy and if they lose it bums me out but it in no way gives me any feeling of anger or it's not going to ruin my week. I've been unemployed for almost a year, struggle with making my mortgage and have a wife and 2 kids, whether or not the Rams win or lose is the least of my worries at this time. The bottom line is if you sell your tickets or walk away from the tv on Sunday because you feel you could spend your time doing something more worthwhile then that's great for you. Watching football on Sun is supposed to be a form of enjoyment. I don't think it makes you any less of a fan if you say "uncle" every now and then. As far as being critical of the team, isn't that what message boards like this are all about? To discuss your team in good times and bad? It just so happens that lately there's been alot more bad than good. Hang in there dude.


      • #4
        Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

        Can't say any of that is wrong. I'm a die hard fan, but I will probably be passing this year to go see the Rams play Arizona. But of course I'm a college student and I am very tight on funds. However, I do have better things to do on Sunday.

        Ever since our losing streak, its hard to get up early in the morning now. I still wear my gear, but the result is usually the same. =/


        • #5
          Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

          A Ram salute to the friends / fans here in the Clan (that salute usually being a hard, bone-bending, tough headbutt among big horn rams).

          I'm with you NJ. These are the days when our ramhood / fanhood may be questioned but at least here in the Clan I feel most of us are downright diehards, hurting, screaming, throwing tantrums, or just waiting it out, but nevertheless, bleeding blue and gold.



          • #6
            Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

            Unfortunately, not all fans are created equal.


            • #7
              Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

              To NJ: Don't worry about what someone says to you over the internet EVER. Only you know if you are a true fan, no one else. Some people seem to think that being a true fan is blindly agreeing with every move the FO makes, and supporting every player. Some fans let out frustrastion by criticizing and being an arm-chair QB's... It doesn't make either party less of a fan if they both share the same goal to someday see STL back in the SB.


              • #8
                Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

                Fettmaster, I agree with you but at the same time about the internet however I consider these guys friends. They are Rams fans and I appreciate that they go through what I go through each Sunday. I check this website every day when I'm on the computer and I look forward to what others have to say. We can all relate to one another so I take a lot of what everyone says to heart. There's a camaraderie the ClanRam has and to see it deteriorate is sad. I think, naturally, the bad seeds will find themselves off the forums and things will get back to normal (especially when we start winning). Regardless, in my eyes ClanRam is lightyears ahead of most forums I've ever seen whether it's a sports forum or not and I'm proud to be a part of it.
                Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams


                • #9
                  Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

                  Originally posted by AvengerRam View Post
                  Unfortunately, not all fans are created equal.

                  How boring would THAT be?!?!

                  GO RAMS!!


                  • #10
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                    I feel you pain on number 4 NJ! I think it was in 1994 or 95 I got a group of about 30 Rams and Raiders fans together from work and we went see them play in Anaheim. A sad performance by the Rams that day and a bunch of grief from my Raider buddies and I gave them all the finger and walked out. Needless to say when I get on that plane to Chicago on Thursday to go watch them again, I have not learned any lesson if there was one!

                    Rams Rule, everyone else sucks, good night now!!
                    "The disappointment of losing is huge!"

                    Jack Youngblood


                    • #11
                      Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

                      Is questioning ones fanaticism the same as questioning his patriotism?

                      A patriot dosen't care if he has the right to criticize because he feels as a patriot he has the obligation to criticize that which he loves so dearly in order to protect it.

                      Is this true of the fan?
                      Look away. I'm hideous. __ Cozmo Kramer


                      • #12
                        Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

                        Okkie...some might say painting your face blue (william Wallace, "Braveheart") might be a mark of a fan...or just be proud to admit your a Ram fan in a crowded room is enough.

                        Fact is you, the reader know if you are one and you don't have to explain yourself to no one but yourself


                        • #13
                          Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

                          Originally posted by live4ramin View Post
                          Is questioning ones fanaticism the same as questioning his patriotism?

                          A patriot dosen't care if he has the right to criticize because he feels as a patriot he has the obligation to criticize that which he loves so dearly in order to protect it.

                          Is this true of the fan?
                          I'm sorry can you repeat that please?

                          "The disappointment of losing is huge!"

                          Jack Youngblood


                          • #14
                            Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

                            Ok i'll answer the questions with how i feel on the subject.

                            1.No it doesnt make you less of a fan to spend more time with your family, and watching less rams games.
                            2.No, it doesnt make you less of a fan if you decide you dont want to pay money to see your favorite team lose.
                            3.No, it doesnt make you less of a fan if you decide that going to a game is to much of a hassled and you decide to make some extra money off your decision
                            4.This was is conditional, yes you can decide to leave at the half. But you try(if you can) to find a radio station to listen to the broadcast of the game. If you give up on the game and dont support your team through a whole game, that makes you less of a fan in my opinion.
                            5.This depends on how you go about it, if you criticize the team you are mearley expressing your opinion, no that doesnt make you less of a fan. However if you are on a rams board suck as this and chime in to every conversation with something like DGR did (BULGER SUX!) that isnt expressing your opinion so much as not supporting your team and the players that give you the best shot at winning. You are also less of a fan if at any time during the season you start hoping your team loses in the hope of better draft positions.

                            This is just my opinion on the matter, I answered every one of your questions with what I believe is the right thing to do. Just to recap, the main thing that makes you less of a fan in my eyes is not supporting your team and rooting for them to win, when you are watching or following the game in some way.


                            • #15
                              Re: Would be interested in everyone's take

                              Who knows what the definition of "true fan" really is. Everybody deals with losing and frustration in their own way. I don't have a problem with any of the things listed in the original post, but there are behaviors that make me question some so-called "fans".

                              Encouraging others to wear a paper bag and feel embarrassed about their team, even in jest, takes things too far.

                              Someone being completely negative ALL the time, makes me wonder what the point is.

                              Finally, watching "fans" after a game run to the tunnel where the team is leaving the field so they can hurl insults and throw trash at the players (which I witnessed first hand last year after the Giants game) is simply unacceptable. Those people are not fans.


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                                A lot is wrong. But what is right is that the Rams are my team, and for a lot of you on this board, your team as well. Fans have the right to complain and want something better, but a fan should also stick with them and look at the positives no matter how few there seem to be at this particular moment. Contrary to a lot of you, based on the posts I've been reading, I could reluctantly accept another terrible season and another after that and another after that. No, I don't like the abuse and I do want something more, but I stick by my team no matter the outcome.

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                                Unless something like this happens, I no longer have a reason to watch football. I know some of you older fans are thinking this younger generation gives up to easy but lets be serious.

                                In 2010, we had a chance to get to the playoffs. All we had to do was go 8-8 and we couldn't do it. Our division was the laughing stock. All teams made changes and let me see....The Whiners and Seahawks are in the talk every year about the Superbowl and the Cardinals won 10 games and are now leading our division and look at the Rams.

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                                People actually feel sorry for me when I say I'm a Rams fan. They genuinely look sorry in the face and it freaking sucks. 5 years ago, I was still having hope even at 2-14. Now, I've just given up. The Rams is just a bunch of excuses with a coach who "can't get with the times."

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                                I know times are hard, but lately, things are getting a tad bit tedious around here. The problem is, there are too many posters who can't distinguish between cliche and actual insight. Seriously, if I want to read hackneyed, knee-jerk reactions masquerading as analysis, I'll read a Bernie column.

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                                You might be a boring Rams fan.

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                                If you think that you can diagnose Steven Jackson and label him "soft"... you might be a boring Rams fan.

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                                If you are still talking about the Rams moving back to Los Angeles... you might be a boring Rams fan.

                                If you can't tell the difference between overall poor drafting and labeling every pick made by the Rams a "bust"... you might be a boring Rams fan.

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                              • FestusRam
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                                As bad as the Rams are and have been, I don't get when people say, "I'm definitely not watching this weeks game. They're probably going to lose".


                                As an avid fan of football and the Rams, I will NEVER understand this.

                                If we lost 45 straight games, I would be watching the 46th.

                                Why? Because, I love football and the Rams are my team. I get up every Sunday excited to watch the Rams no matter how they perform(of course I want a win).

                                I just don't get it. They play only 16 times a year and some "fans" skip games.

                                Any Given Sunday people!! We can beat any teams any week, ask the Saints.

                                Even if I knew they were going to lose, I'd still watch the game. Because, like I said, I love football and the Rams. I honestly hardly understand when fans quit watching when its turning into a blow out. I've watched every game down to the last minute and I always will.

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