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  • Trading Steven Jackson

    Now im aware im about to catch a huge amount of verbal abuse for this post but i ask the reader to hear me out. Steven Jackson is a great runningback currently in this league i think we can all agree there. My point is this. The rams are a rebuilding team. By the time we get to the point where we want to be as an organization, the way sjax is running now and being used, he'll be old and tired. If we traded sjax now we could get some first round picks are some other big names in free agency. Remember the story of jimmy johnson and the cowboys, we can no longer afford one good player and the everyone else sucks. We need stars all over the roster and guys for the future. Id appreciate your thoughts

  • #2
    Re: Trading Steven Jackson

    You no what, everyone on this board has listened to every argument to trade sjax.

    The answer is a resounding no.
    OYA.
    NDA.
    KDE.
    N...TAJ.
    HAW.
    HAWWA.
    MALEY.
    NEE.
    GEEN.

    Thats 10 different way to say no.

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    • #3
      Re: Trading Steven Jackson

      Yes, this topic has been discussed at length on several occasions. While I understand the logic given by those who might consider it, I don't think it's wise to trade your best guy for what would amount to be a couple of draft picks. No team would sign off on the massive number of picks involved in the Herschel Walker deal.

      And another thing I don't recall anyone mentioning: What kind of a message does it send when you trade a guy who is not only the backbone of your team but has given the kind of effort he's given during a miserable season?

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      • #4
        Re: Trading Steven Jackson

        my argument for not doing that is getting many draft picks is to big of a gamble we could draft all busts. and jugdeing by the last decade we are the best at doing that. also. nfl team can make turn arounds, falcons, ravens, dolphins, and this year the bengals.
        this year even we were a touchdown away from winning in 5 games! a 6-6 record we could have if we got luckier. If we get Suh to sure up the dline and pike in the second round as a qb and another playmaker. we could make the playoffs very easily in our division any year.
        jackson is our offense.... jackson is this franchise and he is worth to much to trade away and get nothing gaurented back

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        • #5
          Re: Trading Steven Jackson

          ?We have won 6 games in 3 years, or on course to. How long can you build
          a team around a player thats the only player? How many times do I have
          to say " Rebuild, means rebuild!" It is selfish to keep Jackson for the sol purpuse of him being the only good player on O.

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          • #6
            Re: Trading Steven Jackson

            guys we aren't that far off...have a little patience. give this staff another year to build something, i can pretty much guarantee you it won't be as bad next year. the most we would get out of him at this point would be a 1st and 2nd, and that isn't going to help enough to justify trading one of the best players in the nfl.

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            • #7
              Re: Trading Steven Jackson

              Originally posted by molar_pistol View Post
              guys we aren't that far off...have a little patience. give this staff another year to build something, i can pretty much guarantee you it won't be as bad next year. the most we would get out of him at this point would be a 1st and 2nd, and that isn't going to help enough to justify trading one of the best players in the nfl.
              Sorry to bust you bubble, but what draft pic in the last 7 years has
              changed the rams bad play? Yea we might get the #1 pick, but will it change
              anything else?

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              • #8
                Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                I don't quite get this 'selfish' business, why would we be unselfish and make some other team better? Jackson doesn't appear to be itching for a trade, the last I heard from him he's bought into what Spags is building. I fail to see how shipping him out makes us a better team immediately.

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                • #9
                  Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                  Originally posted by BEER View Post
                  Sorry to bust you bubble, but what draft pic in the last 7 years has
                  changed the rams bad play? Yea we might get the #1 pick, but will it change
                  anything else?
                  The thing is why are you so sure it wont get turned around. The Rams pick a a legit franchise QB or a once in a while DT like suh who say things don't turn around. I think you are forgetting we are still in year one of rebuilding mode. We have done alot of work on the 0-line and filled many holes in the secondary. James Lauranatis, Chris Long, and OJ seem to be a cornerstone players on defense. We have plenty of cap room and high picks to get impact players. Look at what spags and Devaney have brought in so far. Our first four picks have played well Jason Brown and Butler were 2 great additions. Adding guys like Kareny, Gibson, Bajema, and Amendola were also really good moves. They didn't miss alot on what they went after. Having one more offseason like this could really help us out.

                  So are we that far off? Based on what they have done so far no we aren't.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                    but who is going to give up loads of picks for Jackson, and how many picks?

                    we arent going to get the return that will justify trading Jackson
                    @EssexRam_

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                    • #11
                      Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                      Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
                      The thing is why are you so sure it wont get turned around. The Rams pick a a legit franchise QB or a once in a while DT like suh who say things don't turn around. I think you are forgetting we are still in year one of rebuilding mode. We have done alot of work on the 0-line and filled many holes in the secondary. James Lauranatis, Chris Long, and OJ seem to be a cornerstone players on defense. We have plenty of cap room and high picks to get impact players. Look at what spags and Devaney have brought in so far. Our first four picks have played well Jason Brown and Butler were 2 great additions. Adding guys like Kareny, Gibson, Bajema, and Amendola were also really good moves. They didn't miss alot on what they went after. Having one more offseason like this could really help us out.

                      So are we that far off? Based on what they have done so far no we aren't.
                      YOU make good points Beast, but Its a matter of looking at this situation Glass half full or half empty. Rams have done alot of work in the off season , the past three years, in the rebuilding of this franchise. All looks good on paper but results have given this paper a F-minus.

                      I would love to get more Skilled Playmakers to balance off the Rams solitary attack options with Jackson. The more I watch Steven Jackson the less I want to part with him.

                      I've come to relize it would be foolish to Trade away great RB in his prime!
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                      • #12
                        Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                        Originally posted by BEER View Post
                        ?We have won 6 games in 3 years, or on course to. How long can you build
                        a team around a player thats the only player? How many times do I have
                        to say " Rebuild, means rebuild!" It is selfish to keep Jackson for the sol purpuse of him being the only good player on O.
                        Perhaps. But by the same token I guess it is selfish of me to want to see the Rams win a game or two next year.

                        After experiencing the youthocalypse in the receiver corps this year, the last thing this franchise needs to do is go all youth at another critical offensive skill position.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                          Many good points for and against on display here. Trading away your best player for numerous unknown draft picks, though, could be disastrous. It is a solid position as long as SJax is healthy, so I don't want to rebuild that area as well. I would not trust this organization, even with the new front office, to make the right picks and spend the money necessary for numerous unknowns with the ownership position in flux. We seem to be rebuilding just fine with our wide receiver corps, so we need to let the front office continue this process and maintain the positions that we know are strengths; like the running back position. SJax presence is a selling point for a new owner, so I don't see the current ownership selling one of its biggest assets for numerous unknowns while trying to sell the team as a package...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                            Originally posted by 39thebeast View Post
                            The thing is why are you so sure it wont get turned around. The Rams pick a a legit franchise QB or a once in a while DT like suh who say things don't turn around. I think you are forgetting we are still in year one of rebuilding mode. We have done alot of work on the 0-line and filled many holes in the secondary. James Lauranatis, Chris Long, and OJ seem to be a cornerstone players on defense. We have plenty of cap room and high picks to get impact players. Look at what spags and Devaney have brought in so far. Our first four picks have played well Jason Brown and Butler were 2 great additions. Adding guys like Kareny, Gibson, Bajema, and Amendola were also really good moves. They didn't miss alot on what they went after. Having one more offseason like this could really help us out.

                            So are we that far off? Based on what they have done so far no we aren't.
                            I agree with a lot you have to say. But we need good high pics, and a
                            lot of them. Trading Jackson would give us a couple of those.

                            Lets put it this way...... In 3 to 5 years, do you seeing us wining the SB with Jackson? I dont thinks so, but what I do think is we can start
                            to build a solid "TEAM" around 5 or 6 good draft pics.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Trading Steven Jackson

                              Sure lets go ahead and trade a young talented back who is top 5 in the NFL. AWESOME idea!!

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                              • AvengerRam_old
                                Just How Good Is Steven Jackson (Too good to keep?)
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Right now, Steven Jackson is 3rd in the NFL in rushing yards and 2nd in yards from scrimmage. Alone, those numbers are impressive. But, when considered in the context of the lack of playmakers around Jackson, they are downright amazing. I think one could safely argue that Jackson is one of the top 5 skill position players in football today.

                                He is only 26, so he should have another 3-4 years of "prime" play (absent an injury). He is signed for that period, so the Rams can keep him if they wish.

                                It is inevitable, however, that the question will arise this offseason: should the Rams consider trading Jackson?

                                The argument in favor of trading him is certainly compelling. Does it make sense to put all the team's eggs in Jackson's basket, or should they try to "cash in" the asset for multiple players/draft choices (See the Hershel Walker trade).

                                The argument against trading Jackson is equally compelling. There is no guarantee that draft choices will pan out (See the Eric Dickerson trade), while Jackson is a known commodity that can be the foundation to build around.

                                If it were my decision, I'd publicly state that Jackson will not be traded, but leave a phone line open. Everyone has a price, after all.

                                My price? It would have to be a combination of an established RB, and either: (a) a top-half of the first round pick + a 3rd round pick, or (b) a bottom-half of the first round pick + a 2nd round pick.

                                Ironically, the team most likely to offer such a deal might be the hated Patriots. They have been stockpiling picks for years, and could offer the picks desired along with a guy like Lawrence Maroney. If the Patriots fail to make it back to, at a minimum, the AFC Championship game, I could see them making a bold move to get a guy like Jackson.

                                Whatever happens, though, Jackson is a big key to the Rams' future.
                                -10-29-2009, 08:44 AM
                              • BEER
                                Why,why,why, did we not trade Jackson?
                                by BEER
                                I said three years ago we needed to trade Jackson for the reason of worth. Now I see I was wrong. The reason, our Gm, Vp, Hc, dont know how to pull in talent. It sucks that jackson could have had a superbowl or superbowl chance with someone else. I hope that when he does go elsewhere he does get the ring he deserves. I was hated on then for posting we need to trade him and let him move on back then, o well, lets see if a new regime can change our bad habits. Rams moving forward, I hate to look back.
                                -12-28-2011, 05:48 PM
                              • txramsfan
                                Trade Steven Jackson
                                by txramsfan
                                Why not? He's the only player on this team that has any value to others. This team is going nowhere anyway, why not get some value for the guy while we can, move him to a place where he can win, and start over? The Rams need playmakers, badly. More than just Jackson. Pull a Dallas Cowboys type of trade, get multiple picks for Jackson, and start rebuilding correctly. This Rams team isn't going to win this year and probably next year anyway, so why not get some major value from the one player that can get it?
                                -10-05-2009, 10:05 AM
                              • r8rh8rmike
                                Burwell: Jackson Rumors Remain Just That
                                by r8rh8rmike
                                Burwell: Jackson rumors remain just that

                                1 hour ago • BY BRYAN BURWELL • Post-Dispatch Sports Columnist

                                Regardless of the sport, it's so easy to grasp at the gossip that swirls all over the place in the final hours before any trade deadline and regard it as gospel. Too often, though, the chatter is as unsubstantial as cheesecloth.

                                With the NFL's midseason trade deadline extended by 48 hours to Thursday afternoon, that leaves us 48 extra hours to ponder the silly idea that the Rams have placed Pro Bowl running back Steven Jackson on the trading block and can't wait to dump him on anyone who calls.

                                Well, technically, Jackson is on the trade block.

                                Then again, who in the NFL isn't available?

                                All it takes is a phone call. All it takes is one panting general manager or overexcited coach not all that concerned about price being an object, and a deal could be done before lunch time. And that's not just for Jackson, but for Robert Griffin III, Eli Manning, Megatron or for that matter, a wild night out on the town with The Gronk.

                                If someone's willing to pay — or more accurately, overpay— then you, too, can be the proud owner of anything on your most outlandish wish list.

                                But now let's talk a little reality.

                                Neither the Jackson rumor nor any of those other fantasy-league daydreams are coming true, at least not any time in the near future.

                                Yes, the rumors are flying, and that means there have been conversations by a lot of teams about Jackson, most notably the running-back-starved Green Bay Packers. But wanting something and being ready, willing and able to pay for something are two entirely different things. It's the difference between dizzy dreams and stone-sober reality.

                                Dream: I want a mansion on a lavish golf course in Hawaii.

                                Reality: Public course. Coupons. Twilight rate.

                                It's what you can afford, or more accurately, what you're willing to pay that determines trades. And right now the only way Jackson is gone before that trade deadline is if the Rams desperately want him out of here at any cost, and that just doesn't seem to be the case. This isn't fantasy football, despite all the goofy fantasy-sports conversations that are dominating the public discourse on the blogosphere. Don't tell me you have to let him go if someone comes up with a first- or second-round draft pick in trade, because that's never going to happen.

                                Smart organizations don't give up high draft picks for 29-year-old running backs whose contracts are on the verge of expiring. I'm not sure that dumb organizations will do that, either. So that means no matter how many teams are calling — or how many smoke signals the Rams have subtly or not so subtly sent out that Jackson is available for the right price — he's worth far more to the Rams than the teams pursuing him.
                                ...
                                -10-30-2012, 11:37 AM
                              • sosa39rams
                                Steven Jackson
                                by sosa39rams
                                Some say he has lost a step, he is slower, he goes down to easily, and just isn't the same back that he used to be. If this is true, shouldn't we go out and acquire a new back? Well, none of us can prove that this is true.

                                Anyways, he isn't doing great this season. I am not too sure whether its him or the porous play by the offensive line; specifically Adam Goldberg.

                                So here is my question. Do you guys think we should trade him? He will be a free agent in a few seasons, and is only decreasing year after year. I am not too sure where I stand on this topic but in a couple years we will probably get nothing for SJAX. I would prefer to keep him though. He is the soul and heart of this team, and has done tons for this organization.

                                Also, what offers do you guys believe we would get? I'd assume somewhere like 2nd-4th ...most likely being a 3rd.
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