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  • Why so much hate for bulger?

    I'm sorry but brees/manning or brady would not do much with the present Rams. Most Ram FANS or fans in general do not realize that in 2006 Bulger had a decent team and he was the 3rd best QB in the NFL. Bulger had better stats than Favre, palmer, brady, roth, eli, etc, etc. Bulger is only 32 yrs old, which is 1 year younger than Mcnabb and he has had a more than decent QB rating if you remove the last 2 years. This Rams team has been plagued with injuries and have lost many good players. Bulger has good precision just does not have enough time in the pocket.

    I like Bulger and if he had a good line would be one of the good QB's in the league. PEOPLE, put all these QB's in the playoffs with the rams this year.....2 wins? 4? 16? This team has holes and no QB will fill those holes, not even jhoe montana. For a team this bad, look at Bulger's stats last 6 yrs and look at the stats of QB's his age with better teams.

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    Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

    Bulger had the least amount of sacks hes ever had this past year and was on par to have the lowest amount of his career for all 16 games before he (and the rest of our line) went down. He had some good passes but also dropped balls with noone around, threw underthrown and erratic passes with time, and is utterly helpless when being rushed. This is the NFL, your not going to have 6 secs in the pocket everytime. Im for keeping Bulger another year to groom a rookiee but afterwards the rams need to cut ties unless 2006 Bulger shows up to training camp. He just looked bad no matter how you sliced it.

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    • #3
      Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

      Since getting his last contract he hasnt done crap.
      I mean can he run AT ALL, or step up in the pocket? Keith Null at times showed better pocket awareness and he would be a MAJOR project for the rams.

      Any QB in the NFL would be successful with all the tools or pcs that Bulger needs.
      His price is TOO HIGH.
      His skill is TOO LOW.
      And Im not sure that I would want a loser QB teaching my next QB on how to
      1) throw into triple coverage (misreads)
      2) become a human statue in the pocket (NO mobility)
      3) make sure u have a good year prior to ur next BIG contract
      4) his leadership skill or lack there of is just laughable.
      A young team needs important leaders in key positions, QB being one of them and he has NEVER shown ANY skill in that area.
      finally, watch his body language that will tell you alot if you know what to look for.
      hes here to collect a paycheck and nothing more.

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      • #4
        Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

        I would hope no one actually hates Marc Bulger, but it's true that some people simply don't care for him.

        I suspect there are more than a few people who dislike Bulger or have never warmed up to the guy because of whom he replaced. There are probably some people who aren't Bulger fans because he doesn't have a fiery or vocal personality and isn't particularly animated. I'd guess some people don't like him because of the money he currently makes due to the contract extension he signed following a number of very productive seasons. And there are probably those that dislike him because he's been the guy behind center during the decline of the team following the GSoT years, though he's certainly not the only person responsible for that decline by any means.

        I've said for a while now that, for those who want to criticize Marc Bulger, there are certainly things to point to where he needs to improve and get better. He's not had much help over the last 2-3 years - heck, I'd argue that his offensive line has been downright offensive for most of his time as a Ram, for instance - but the lack of help around you as a player is no excuse for instances where you've made a mistake or cost your team with a poor play. While I think there are more glaring issues that have been a bigger factor in this team's decline, there's no denying Bulger has played his role as well.

        That being said, it's frustrating to see the same false criticisms made over and over again when they've been shown to be false. For instance...

        Originally posted by dave626 View Post
        4) his leadership skill or lack there of is just laughable.
        A young team needs important leaders in key positions, QB being one of them and he has NEVER shown ANY skill in that area.
        Simply put, this is absolutely false. Beat writer Jim Thomas elaborates...

        Originally posted by Jim Thomas View Post
        A very interesting post. It's funny because most of the players who work with Bulger on a daily basis seem to insist that he IS a leader. Yet most of the Bulger critics, who aren't on the practice field, in the locker room, or in the games with him seem to insist that he ISN'T a leader. I wonder who's right.
        Yet month after month, it seems like someone tries to make the case that Bulger isn't a leader, as if a fan from the couch has more insight on that matter than a beat writer who actually talks to guys who work with Bulger on a daily basis.

        Now, I don't expect people to read every single article ever written so they're the most well informed fan in the world. I understand that sometimes things are said in an article or in a chat and we might overlook it. That's why I hope that, when presented with information like this, a person's opinions and claims are adjusted accordingly. As I said, there are certainly areas where a fan can be critical of Marc Bulger. I've been critical of him myself over the years. But I think it's important - and fair, really - that those criticisms be accurate.

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        • #5
          Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

          i think it goes with the job,as they say the QB gets to much of the credit and then gets to much of the blame also,some of it is just,but there are many other reasons why the Rams stink,look at how the Eagles fans and press beat up McNabb,he has been very successful and they still trash him so I guess it's a QB thing.

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          • #6
            Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

            Why so much hate for Bulger? Simple. He's not Kurt Warner. Until he can figure out how to be KW, he will always be a scapegoat.
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            • #7
              Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

              Say what you want, however you want. His performance is much louder than I could be.

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              • #8
                Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                Originally posted by dave626 View Post
                Say what you want, however you want. His performance is much louder than I could be.
                Does Pujols ever get animated? Why do the Cardinals pay him so much? He obviously isn't a leader.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                  Originally posted by dave626 View Post
                  Say what you want, however you want. His performance is much louder than I could be.
                  And, Dave, I can respect your opinion. A lot of people here believe that while a large part of Bulger's poor performance IS his own fault, we cannot lay ALL the blame for the failure on him.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                    Bulger had better protection this year than he did the last two years but he lacked consistency because he still has a habit of holding the ball too long (sometimes). I can't blame him, his young receivers are still raw and undeveloped and football is a team sport, all is to blame, not entirely on the QB, that's what most fans don't realize..


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                    • #11
                      Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                      No doubt that there has been hate for Bulger since the day he took over from Warner. Even when he was having a Pro Bowl season under Linehan in 2006, people were calling for his head and whining about what a horrible quarterback he was.

                      My biggest problem with him over the last three years has been his durability, although that's something he can't control and has been in large part the result of shoddy protection. I do give him all the credit and respect in the world for not crying or quitting because of any of his injuries. He played almost an entire season with broken ribs and this year played on a broken leg for who knows how long. There is no doubt in my mind that he is an absolute warrior, and leads by example.

                      Personally, I still think Bulger can be effective under reasonable circumstances, with reasonable support. The New Orleans game showed me that.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                        This topic has been done to death. The OP makes a fair point in saying that several pro bowl caliber QB's would not have been successful this season with the Rams. I agree, but that does not mean they'd have had NO success. We'll never know. What we DO KNOW is that Marc Bulger's career has spiraled downward significantly the past three seasons due to a variety of factors- some of his doing and some beyond his control. While rightly lamenting the relative mediocrity of his receiving corps, it is a cop out to suggest Bulger should be absolved from playing poorly just because he doesn't have Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss or Miles Austin. Seems to me a man by the name of Steven Jackson had a pretty fair season with the same miserable Rams squad, behind the same miserable Rams O-Line and with everyone and their mother keying on him all game.

                        I never begrudge an athlete making a lot of money provided he justify it with good performance. I feel it is fair to say Marc Bulger hasn't given the Rams the kind of return they'd hoped for. I'd say people seeing Kurt Warner revive his career elsewhere (within the division, no less) have made them sour on Bulger even more- In the interests of full honesty, I felt going to Bulger over Warner at the time was a sensible move, although I loved Warner. And while I've been critical of a number of things regarding marc Bulger, I have never taken personal shots at his alleged "lack of toughness" or "lack of leadership".

                        Sometimes in sports a fresh start is needed for all parties involved, and this seems to be one such instance. Bulger can possibly prolong his career and avoid the batterings and bruisings while the Rams can turn the page and hopefully find their next franchise QB.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                          You guys are right he will never equal Warner. But at this point and time we may as well stay with him next year and if it's another really bad year look for Locker in 11....

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                          • #14
                            Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                            i don't think many hate him..he is just making too much money and it's time for him to go, same as holt, pace, tinoisamoa ETC, we are rebuilding.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why so much hate for bulger?

                              Originally posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
                              Bulger had the least amount of sacks hes ever had this past year and was on par to have the lowest amount of his career for all 16 games before he (and the rest of our line) went down. He had some good passes but also dropped balls with noone around, threw underthrown and erratic passes with time, and is utterly helpless when being rushed. This is the NFL, your not going to have 6 secs in the pocket everytime. Im for keeping Bulger another year to groom a rookiee but afterwards the rams need to cut ties unless 2006 Bulger shows up to training camp. He just looked bad no matter how you sliced it.
                              Wow he underthrew some receivers? He's terrible... Every qb has bad passes and for all you know the receiver ran a lousy route. I saw some of his but he still has his accuracy.

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                                The Colts floundered for years, until guess what? Same with Dallas. Same with Arizona. Same with Pittsburgh. Same with the Saints. Same with the Giants. Same with the Chargers. Same with Seattle. Same with the Pats. Same with Denver in reverse.

                                It starts and ends with the QB, and we need one NOW!"


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                                On the con side are is locking onto targets and just not looking good.
                                On the pro side are his winning record and PB performance.

                                I'm sure there are more that people can add to each side.

                                I noted on the other board that some who expressed doubts about Bulger were called "cowards".

                                I have doubts about Bulger. I watched him play and he didn't look like a confident QB. And it was painfully obvious that he was locking onto targets. I wondered why other team's DBs didn't pick more off. If a mere amatuer like myself can see poor QB play, surely another teams DC can as well and instruct his players accordingly.

                                OTOH, Bulger has been a proven winner. A mediocre QB like Brad (?) Johnson won a ring with Tampa Bay, so surely Bulger can do so as well.

                                I think it is fine to have doubts about Bulger. Who says he can't improve? He certainly deserves a chance, and in the end, the bottom line is that he's won more than he's lost. He just didn't look very good doing it.
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                              • GroundDog39
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                                Ive got to admit, my patience is beggining to wear a bit thin but come on, like it or not, he is our starting QB. How many other QB's in his position would have flourished = NONE, ZIP, NADA.
                                KURT WARNER, CARSON PALMER, DAVID CARR, all were abysmal. Similar scenario's.
                                So if you want to vent any anger out from now till opening day, aim it where its more deserved - The defensive players, it seems to me like Bulger become a scapegoat for a lot of the pathetic football played.
                                If we do lose Bulger anytime soon, I think a lot of people could be in for a rude awakening!
                                HE IS IN THE TOP TIER OF NFL qb'S, ONE DAY PEOPLE WILL COME TO REALIZE THIS.


                                P.S I just wish he could make play's with his feet, that would have solved everything?
                                -05-24-2009, 06:55 AM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                No faith in Bulger? Okay. Don't like Bulger? I don't get that.
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                                I can understand why some Rams fans may have lost faith in Marc Bulger. He certainly has not played well over the past two seasons, and there is no guarantee that he will regain the form that resulted in two Pro Bowl appearances.

                                What I don't get, though, is why some Rams fans have such a dislike for the guy.

                                In my book, you should dislike a player who is disruptive, who fails to give his all, who holds out unreasonably, or who has off-the-field incidents that impact the team.

                                When has Bulger ever been disruptive? At worst, he was caught in a sideline eye roll prompted by a coach who essentially lost the confidence of the whole team.

                                When has he failed to give his all? He has played hurt, and done so knowing that he would likely take several hits on the field.

                                When has he held out unreasonably? As I recall, he may have missed a day of camp when finalizing his last contract.

                                When has he had an off-the-field incident? As far as we know... never.

                                Maybe for some fans it is the fact that Bulger replaced Kurt Warner. But is that a reason to dislike the guy? He didn't do anything underhanded. He just played well and, when given the call to start, did his job. Others might fall back on the old "he's not fiery enough" or "he's not a leader." The thing is, every time a player is interviewed on the subject, they say Bulger is a leader, albeit a somewhat quiet one.

                                I don't know what "Act III" of Bulger's Rams career will look like. Maybe he'll rise to the top again and lead the Rams back to the playoffs. Maybe he's too far gone and will be replaced in the next year or two by a young QB.

                                Whatever happens, I think he deserves the respect and admiration of Rams fans. He's a guy who has always given a full effort and utilized the talents he possesses, often in difficult circumstances. He has done so while comporting himself as a model NFL citizen.

                                As fans, that might not be enough to make us say "that guy should not be replaced." It should, however, be more than enough for us to say "I respect the guy and appreciate what he's done for this team."

                                All too often, Bulger does not get that level of respect.
                                -05-18-2009, 09:57 AM
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