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    02.06.2010 10:47 am
    Ex-Rams eager to help Spags
    By Jim Thomas
    St. Louis Post-Dispatch


    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. _ Isaac Bruce is interested in working with Rams wide receivers. Jack Youngblood would love to spend some time coaching up Chris Long. And Todd Lyght is hoping for a training camp coaching internship with the team this summer.

    “Great. Bring ‘em all.They could have my job,” coach Steve Spagnuolo joked. “That’s a big-time compliment that guys like that would think that way. I’ll certainly be more than happy to talk to guys like that. And if it fits in and works in, we would try to do it.”

    It seemingly would be very easy to set up Lyght with one of the camp internships. And what could it hurt bringing in Youngblood for a few days during camp to work with Long or any of the defensive ends?

    As for Bruce, despite his interest in possibly coaching Rams wide receivers, after 16 years of hard work as a player _ and Bruce’s work ethic was exemplary _ logging the 16-hour days necessary as an assistant coach may not really be what he wants to do, particularly since he recently became a father. But you just know that once Spagnuolo sits down with Bruce, he’s going to like him. And perhaps something could be worked out.

    The baseball Cardinals seem to know how to embrace their past. The new regime at Rams Park seems to struggle embracing the Rams’ past. And it’s not for lack of respect.

    “I love the past,” general manager Billy Devaney said. “And Spags feels the same way. You’ve got to respect the game. And obviously you respect even more so the great Ram players that were part of it. And we do. The stuff that they accomplished was incredible. You have great respect for it.”

    But sometimes, Devaney says, too many voices can hurt the development of a young player rather than help.

    “Sometimes you get too much information,” Devaney said. “You get overload. And we’ve had a number of coaches pass through here. Donnie Avery is going into his third year. He’s on his third position coach. There’s a lot of cases like that where the intention is great and we embrace everything that the player stood for, and we recognize that. But sometimes it also can be too much, it can have a negative effect on somebody.

    “How many people has Marc Bulger had in his ear the past three years? Coordinators, quarterback coaches, head coaches. A lot of these guys just need to settle down in the same system and I think they’ll be better off for it.”

  • #2
    Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

    This would be great. I would love for Youngblood and Bruce to come in as coaches. Definitely help our fans and traditions in St Louis.

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    • #3
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      having ex players help out cannot hurt, I agree with Devaney that these guys may get to many people in there ear,but he needs to make sure the right people are helping these guys,some of the position coaches we have had in the past few seasons cannot match the knowleadge a Jack Youngblood can give,theres no subsitute for experience and Spags needs to realize that and take the help.

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      • #4
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        Devaney makes an excellent point which I've dealt with as a coach before: too many voices can create information overload and actually hurt the development of a player. That said, each situation is different depending on position and player. I can't imagine a Jack Youngblood not providing quality information to a guy like Chris Long.

        I appreciate Spags and Devaney's comments about 'respecting the game" and being appreciative of the team's history. I hope somewhere down the line they can incorporate the help of those great ex-Rams who wish to reach out to the franchise in some way shape or form.

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        • #5
          Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

          Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
          Devaney makes an excellent point which I've dealt with as a coach before: too many voices can create information overload and actually hurt the development of a player. That said, each situation is different depending on position and player. I can't imagine a Jack Youngblood not providing quality information to a guy like Chris Long.

          I appreciate Spags and Devaney's comments about 'respecting the game" and being appreciative of the team's history. I hope somewhere down the line they can incorporate the help of those great ex-Rams who wish to reach out to the franchise in some way shape or form.
          Time will tell. The fact is, Spags has not spoken with Bruce YET. I believe that Bruce has made it known he would like to be involved somehow. Let's see how many ex - Ram GREATS are involved down the road. Saying you embrace it and doing it are two distinctly different paths.

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          • #6
            Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

            Ok, now lets make room for Warner & Faulk!

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            • #7
              Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

              Originally posted by unorthodox1999 View Post
              Ok, now lets make room for Warner & Faulk!
              I'm sure he has a few more things he needs to teach Frank Gore.:|

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              • #8
                Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

                "And if it fits in and works in, we would try to do it.” Can't get any more logical & fairminded than that, imo.

                Maybe it works out with these ex-Rams, maybe not. I totally agree with Devaney about stability of approach being crucial/too many cooks spoiling the broth.You see the stability in every successful franchise & the chopping & changing in every messed up one, inc getting seduced into thinking that a big name will be the magic answer, player or coach. I don't like everything about the DeSpags staff & the job they did. They certainly need to be held accountable PDQ if there isn't significant improvement as the talent is restocked & they have time to work with them & the players stay healthy enough to even assess .

                But I also know from 15+ of teaching that the people who are very good at something are not necessarily the best teachers.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

                  What has spags got to lose? Bring em in!

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Azul e Oro View Post
                    "And if it fits in and works in, we would try to do it.” Can't get any more logical & fairminded than that, imo.

                    Maybe it works out with these ex-Rams, maybe not. I totally agree with Devaney about stability of approach being crucial/too many cooks spoiling the broth.You see the stability in every successful franchise & the chopping & changing in every messed up one, inc getting seduced into thinking that a big name will be the magic answer, player or coach. I don't like everything about the DeSpags staff & the job they did. They certainly need to be held accountable PDQ if there isn't significant improvement as the talent is restocked & they have time to work with them & the players stay healthy enough to even assess .

                    But I also know from 15+ of teaching that the people who are very good at something are not necessarily the best teachers.
                    Very well said.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

                      Maybe Wilkins can instruct Brown about not missing FGs against the Shehawks?

                      Who can come and mentor the marketing department about those stupid slogans? They would be fine if we were playing better. We may need Dick Butkus for that one...

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                      • #12
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                        Devaney and more importantly Spags have to be careful. Spags free pass has been used for his 1st season at the helm. He will feel more pressure in season 2 and bringing in ex-Rams is not going to save him. All I care about is that he brings in qualified people that will help lead our team out of the doldrums. If Youngblood , Bruce and any other former players are qualified bring them in but just know the heat will be on you SPAGS if this team doesn't start winning.
                        sigpic :ram::helmet:

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ex-Rams Eager To Help Spags

                          I think youngblood's attitude will help the entire defense tremendously. And there aint many ppl more qualified than Issac Bruce. I say bring Warner back to help coach our future QB. Whoever that may be.

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                            As Rams fans, all we have known is losing for the better part of the last decade. We have been so used to losing that we got giddy over a losing season (last season). Given, that was a drastic improvement with a rookie quarterback, but keep in mind we were playing with one of the easiest schedules in the history of the NFL and we still couldn't get in with a .500 record. Spags is simply not a Head Coach. He is a great coordinator, may be one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL, but just because you can be a succesful coordinator doesn't make you a good Head Coach, i.e. Cam Cameron. The fact that there are some people still defending Spags is bizarre. I took a ton of heat after week 1, when I saw this mess coming and was calling for Spags + Devaneys heads. Now, my band-wagon is getting bigger and only a few supporters remain. Those supporters have let the losing times really get to their heads. The conception of "Well how's he supposed to teach someone to fair catch, catch the football, and tackle". ........Isnt that the purpose of a Head Coach in the NFL? If you truly believe this why even have coaches? Why not just let them play street ball? Bottomline: We are the most unprepared football team week in and week out.

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                            Spags will be fired by seasons end.

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                            Some time within the last year I wrote a post basically suggesting Jim Thomas get a life and get off Spags for firing the Equipment Manager.

                            I was wrong, as the more I think about Spags firing Hewitt while directing that garbage on the field, the more pissed I get. What also drove me crazy was his allusion to having a loving wife and faith in his God during one of his recent pressers after yet another pos loss. I'm happy for you Steve, but really do not give a **** about your personal beliefs. And while I'm on the subject, it's time to relax a bit on the 4 pillars crap, ( suspect in the first place), as the locker room can handle itself just fine at this point.

                            But it got me thinking. It appears to me that the St Louis sportswriters have always been a bit lukewarm towards Spags, (and not Devaney), and everyone, including me, just wrote it off to Spags' style (ala Belichek), since we were still ecstatic at finally having a real front office and coach in place. I'm thinking that when Spags is let go, as I hope, certain stories will surface that we don't hear about now because the writers know they still have to deal with him.

                            But back to Hewitt - he probably pissed Spags off, and that was it. Doesn't anyone else wonder why he gave up so quickly on what we all thought were promising rookies, like Selvie, Hines and Williams? I'm convinced now that he's somewhat of a tyrant, (as are a lot of the vertically challeged), and way too much of a micromanager, (documented), to be a head coach.

                            And, while it won't happen, (the above rant notwithstanding) I would love to have him as the D coordinator, where he could narrow his focus a bit, and free up the Offense.

                            Cheers all - maybe Brandstater can surprise Seattle next week. Keep the Faith.
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                            Host, Pat Kirwan: “Fill our listeners in on what your coaching situation is.”

                            Billy Devaney: “I think, barring something unforeseen, I think it’s going to work out with Spags. We’re right down to the eleventh hour and just dotting the ‘I’s and crossing the ‘T’s and I, god willing, I think in the next couple of hours we’ll have a deal worked out with Steve Spagnuolo to be the next head coach.”

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                            Devaney: “Right. Shoot, Pat, you’ve been in this thing. That’s kind of what it comes down to as much as anything. All four guys that we kind of narrowed it down to - Rex Ryan, Spags, Leslie Frazier and Jason Garrett – every one of them are going to be outstanding head coaches in the NFL. There’s no doubt in my mind. What it usually and what it should come down to is, at the end of the day, whether it’s me or whoever’s in that position, whoever the personnel guy is, they have to be joined at the hip with the head coach and be on the same page philosophically, how to put a team together, the vision for the team. You know how many hours [are] spent between those two guys. And the relationship that I’ve had with Spags over the years going back to, I wanna say, the late 80’s and we were in Carlisle, Pennsylvania and Charlie Casserly hired Spags as an intern out of Springfield College. You could tell right then the guy, he had special qualities about him and he and I hit it off way back then and we always thought it would be neat if we got in a position to work together and be able to put a team together would be special. That was kind of the tipping scale. And, like you said, Frazier is going to be outstanding. Gosh, he’s not going to be good, he’s going to be outstanding. It just got back to, I’ve known Spags for a long time and I just felt that working with him right now, the way he and I think, the way we think, I think it gives us a chance to get this thing going.”

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