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    Greatest tight end in rams history

    This one is a super tough call on the all time Rams team list. I dont believe that the rams have ever had a truly dominant all pro caliber tight end. In the pass catching side, i think you would have to go with ernie conwell or billy truax. However, given that my all time rams team is LOADED with weapons at the skill position, i think that i would select David Hill as the all time rams tight end, as i certainly think he qualifies as the best blocker we have ever had at the position.

    Hill, who was known as a floating tackle during his playing days in the early through mid 80's, was an incredibly huge (for that time especially) 280 pound tight end who was effectively another offensive lineman during the dickerson glory days.

    Probably the same reason i would select James Hodgins as the rams all time best fullback. My all time rams team needs sledgehammer blockers rather than more runners, so i give The Hammer the nod over Cullen Bryant and Tank Younger (of bull elephant backfield fame). Certainly madison hedgehung will go down as the best blocking fullback waived by the rams in exchange for no compensation.

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    general counsel
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    Re: Greatest tight end in rams history

    GC- I like these "greatest player" threads. They get you to thinking about the past (when things were more enjoyable) and the old Rams teams. I remember David Hill and yes, he was VERY big yet pretty nimble and had sure hands. But I liked Pete Holohan. I honestly didn't look at any stats, but I believe he had three or four pretty productive years with the Rams.

    And honorable mention goes to Mike Barber back in the early 80's.

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      Re: Greatest tight end in rams history

      Ernie conwell, well, im to young...

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        Re: Greatest tight end in rams history

        Originally posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
        GC- I like these "greatest player" threads. They get you to thinking about the past (when things were more enjoyable) and the old Rams teams. I remember David Hill and yes, he was VERY big yet pretty nimble and had sure hands. But I liked Pete Holohan. I honestly didn't look at any stats, but I believe he had three or four pretty productive years with the Rams.

        And honorable mention goes to Mike Barber back in the early 80's.
        I second the motion. Great idea GC.

        Mike Barber....wow I forgot he played for us.
        sigpic :ram::helmet:

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          Re: Greatest tight end in rams history

          Originally posted by general counsel View Post
          This one is a super tough call on the all time Rams team list. I dont believe that the rams have ever had a truly dominant all pro caliber tight end. In the pass catching side, i think you would have to go with ernie conwell or billy truax. However, given that my all time rams team is LOADED with weapons at the skill position, i think that i would select David Hill as the all time rams tight end, as i certainly think he qualifies as the best blocker we have ever had at the position.

          Hill, who was known as a floating tackle during his playing days in the early through mid 80's, was an incredibly huge (for that time especially) 280 pound tight end who was effectively another offensive lineman during the dickerson glory days.

          Probably the same reason i would select James Hodgins as the rams all time best fullback. My all time rams team needs sledgehammer blockers rather than more runners, so i give The Hammer the nod over Cullen Bryant and Tank Younger (of bull elephant backfield fame). Certainly madison hedgehung will go down as the best blocking fullback waived by the rams in exchange for no compensation.

          ramming speed to all

          general counsel
          Tough call, but I'd go with Terry Nelson. Didn't get much publicity, but he had some good hands for a tight end, and beat out Charle Young when the Rams brought Young over from Philadelphia. I do like your choice of David Hill too! At fullback, I'd go with Cullen Bryant. I still like watching him run against the Bucs in the 1979 NFC Championship. Wasn't Jim Bertelsen a FB?

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            Re: Greatest tight end in rams history

            Mike Barber. David Hill. Billy Truax. In no particular order. Terrific TEs for the Rams. :helmet:

            Ernie Conwell -- a very fine and effective TE / FB.

            My sentimental Rams TE favorite, Truax.
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            • #7
              Re: Greatest tight end in rams history

              :ram:


              Tough one.

              I'd probably go with Hill simply because of the blocking he provided.

              Had conwell not struggled with injuries early on in his Rams career his production would have been higher. Regardless, I think Conwell is a very close second and I could not argue with him being the number one choice.



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              • #8
                Re: Greatest tight end in rams history

                Unfortunately I haven't watched the rams long enough to know any really good TEs, i'd have to go with Ernie Conwell. However the rams TE with with the best name (completely irrelevant I know) has to be Brandon Manumaleuna.

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                • general counsel
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                  All time great rams team-the two easiest positions to name
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                  Back by popular demand, more on my all time rams team.

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                  I dont think that there can be any legitimate dispute over those selections as starters. As backups however, there is plenty of food for thought.

                  My picks

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