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  • #1

    why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

    ive just been woundering why every play we draft usually turns into a big bust like Ryan Leaf. some examples

    2008- Chris Long- hasnt really bein as productive as i would like not putting up good numbers.
    2007- Adam Carriker-Just not a consitant player always gettin injuried
    2006- Tye Hill- Injury prone no longer with the team
    2005- Alex Barron- Not that great of a tackle
    2004- Steven Jackson (hes a beast not a bust)
    2003- Jimmy Kennedy- Just horrible not with the team anymore
    2002- Robert Thomas- Not with the team
    2001- A) Damione Lewis- Not with the team
    B) Adam Archuleta- Not with the team couldnt cover for **** should have been a linebacker
    C) Ryan Pickett- Not with the team
    2000- Trung Canidate-- Not with the team
    1999- Torry Holt (one of the best rams wide outs ever)

    let me know what you think cause it seems like we have no luck with drafting players in the first round.i mean in the past 11 years how many of them turned out to be somethin. only Torry Holt and Steven Jackson. its just bad when they spend the money on these guys and they just suck.i mean Chris Long isnt turning out to be the next Howie Long hell Leonard Little played better last season.:helmet:
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    Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

    Long = bad rookie season, better this year
    Carriker = inconsistent but can develop if trained well and/or put into the right system
    Hill = I don't even know what the crap he does with the Falcons
    Barron = YOUS NEEDZ HEARING AIDZ MAN
    Steven Jackson = Undisputed, finest breed of RBs in the mid-late '00s

    I won't go with the rest but you forgot Jason Smith for the '09 draft, who's contributed to O-line rehab. Ndamukong Suh is 89.92% boom to our D-line and with Spags as the general, we'll be able to stop running games pretty consistently (most likely). So far, Spags 1st draft is going well and he seems to be better than Linehan and Martz in terms of draft and the defensive portion of the game.


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    • #3
      Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

      I think you need to look at who was pulling the trigger on most of the Drafts mentioned as well. The former "administration" really just sucked at drafting in general. We have some good players from the draft, but not enough obviously.
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      • #4
        Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

        I'm just going to look at 2004 to the present, since those years are most relevant to the team's recent efforts to rebuild.

        2004 - Martz is still in charge. Faulk is getting older but is still productive, and the Rams are picking in the 20s after a successful 12-4 season. With an eye toward the future, they select a player who is widely considered the best all-around back in that year's draft.

        2005 - The Turley Experiment has been declared a failure. The Team is coming off an 8-8 season that ended with an inglorious mauling at the hands of the Falcons' run game in the playoffs. The team has to be thinking that DT is a problem, but some still want to give Kennedy and Pickett a chance. Unfortunately, at the time, this is considered to be a weak year for defensive tackles. About the only guy rated anywhere close to where we're picking is Mike Patterson (later taken by the Eagles at #31). The Saints select Jammal Brown 5 picks ahead of us, so Barron is the best OT prospect based on what most of the draftniks are saying at the time. Some people think we should have traded up to try to land Brown, who is more of a mauler, but generally most feel that it was wise to address the offensive line at this point.

        2006 - Things didn't work out the way we planned. Martz was hospitalized, but once he was healthy, the team told him not to come back. Now we have a new head coach and a new defensive coordinator, who has already brought in several new defensive starters including Witherspoon, Chavous, and Glover. Unlike the previous year, there's not a lot of agreement as to who we should take. Some people want DT Haloti Ngata, some want CB Antonio Cromartie, others are talking about Chad Greenway or Bobby Carpenter at linebacker. Some people say we should trade up for Vernon Davis or Jay Cutler. If I recall correctly, the coaches said that the logic behind trading down was that they had a number of players closely rated and felt that they'd still get one of the guys they liked. So they let the Ravens move up and take Ngata. Even at the time, fans debated whether this was the best move, especially when they took a smallish corner with the pick.

        2007 - Linehan's rookie season doesn't look so bad at this point. We got back to .500 on the strength of our offense, but the defense is still clearly lacking. We think that we're okay at linebacker with Pisa, Spoon, and Chillar if we can get a defensive tackle to keep the blockers off of them. The problem is that this is another underwhelming class at defensive tackle. Amobe Akoye is the wunderkind that will still probably take years to develop, but he comes off the board before we even pick. Do we take a shot with Alan Branch? Pick up a corner like Darrelle Revis? Maybe a safety like Michael Griffin? After Brady Quinn dropped, some thought we should have taken advantage of the situation and pulled the trigger. Instead we picked up DE Adam Carriker to play DT. They said that DT was where he projected best in the NFL because of his hand technique and strength, which kind of made sense. This move seemed a little forced, like the team did think he was the best option available at defensive tackle, but if that was the case, maybe they should have looked at value over need.

        2008 - The top players in the draft play at positions of need for the Rams, but there is some grumbling that maybe overall this is a bit of a weak class. We hear that the Dolphins are in contract negotiations with Jake Long well before draft day. Thus, among fans the big debate is Gholston vs. Long vs. Dorsey. Matt Ryan and Sedrick Ellis are almost dark horse candidates in comparison. Among the three that everybody was talking about at the time, Long has since had the best career. He has also gotten better over time, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could get 8-10 sacks one of these years. If he hits double digit sacks, the bust talk will probably end. If not, we'll look back and wonder "What if we had taken Matt Ryan?"

        2009 - We're coming off a completely demoralizing season. Linehan looked lost out there, and many of the top players seemed barely able to hide their displeasure. The good news that comes out of this is that we finally see long needed change in the front office, as well as the coaching staff. The Lions are picking Stafford, and the Rams are picking a tackle unless they feel Aaron Curry is simply a talent they cannot pass up. The big question is Monroe vs. Smith. The team takes the player with more upside, and Smith looks pretty good when he actually sees playing time.


        Looking back, what I would take from this is that you don't let need overrule talent. Jackson was a BPA pick (best player available) and our most successful decision in recent years. You could argue that we forced the issue of need in picking Barron and Carriker.

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        • #5
          Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

          Originally posted by BM_Face View Post
          I think you need to look at who was pulling the trigger on most of the Drafts mentioned as well. The former "administration" really just sucked at drafting in general. We have some good players from the draft, but not enough obviously.
          I'd also like to point to "coaching" as a possible factor, as our defensive coaches sucked at developing the talent they were given.

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          • #6
            Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

            Guys, the truth is, the Rams success in the first round is pretty typical of most teams in the NFL. There are a handful of teams that seem to get it right every year, but they are ATYPICAL.

            In my opinion, for the period presented, you can give the Rams two As (Holt and Jackson) and 4 Bs (Barron, Pickett, Long, and Lewis).

            Go look at the Dolphins, Lions, Bills, Bears, Jaguars, Browns, Bengals, Chiefs, Seahawks, *****, and even the Chargers from 1999 on. Got tired of looking after that. Tell me if you think they drafted significantly better than the Rams in the first round. Let me know what you find out.

            I looked at all of the above teams, plus six teams that clearly outdrafted the rest in the first round: The Cheatriots, Packers, Panthers, Vikings, Steelers, and Cards.

            And keep in mind, from 2000 to 2004 the Rams were drafting late in the round.

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            • #7
              Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

              Linehan is the reason for where the Rams are where they are. Almost every player he picked is either now a starter for some other team, or isn't in the NFL anymore. Either way, he made sure the Rams don't have them.

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              • #8
                Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                Originally posted by DieHardRamsFan1381 View Post
                i mean Chris Long isnt turning out to be the next Howie Long hell Leonard Little played better last season.:helmet:
                I didnt see teams double teaming Leonard Little. Fact is Chris Long was our best D Lineman and every team knew it. Towards the end of the season Long was playing lights out. Put some better talent in at DT and at the other end spot and i dont think double digit sacks are out of the question next year.
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                • #9
                  Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                  Your premise makes no sense.

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                  • #10
                    Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                    the fact that a player is not with his original team 5-8 years after the draft does not make him a bust. Go compare how many first round picks are with their original teams 5-8 years after the draft and i bet the rams arent materially worse than most other teams. Damione Lewis was a big disappointment for the rams, but i didnt see anyone complaining about the pick at the time. Both pickett and arch were productive rams and hardly busts.

                    Your expectations are way out of line with the reality of the nfl.

                    As for chris long, who would you have rather taken, long or glen dorsey (the other popular pick at the time)?

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                    • #11
                      Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                      Wait till next year, Long will get 17 sacks.

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                      • #12
                        Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                        I don't think we can label Long a bust. He didn't have a great rookie year, but he did well this year. As for the rest of those scrubs like Lewis, Carriker, Hill, and Barron, ya they suck. I agree, our first rounders haven't come through for us in the most part. We need a dominant force to really help the Rams get back in shape.

                        P.S. - Kennedy, Hill, and Lewis are the worst of the ones you mentioned.

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                        • #13
                          Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                          Originally posted by Ahmedrams81 View Post
                          I don't think we can label Long a bust. He didn't have a great rookie year, but he did well this year. As for the rest of those scrubs like Lewis, Carriker, Hill, and Barron, ya they suck. I agree, our first rounders haven't come through for us in the most part. We need a dominant force to really help the Rams get back in shape.

                          P.S. - Kennedy, Hill, and Lewis are the worst of the ones you mentioned.
                          I think this problem will be fixed with our current regime who beleives more in tkaing the BPA which is how you do it in the draft....
                          and we have to hit heavy the the BIG FOUR in the draft... QB,DT,OT,CB. we got a OT last year need to get a DT this year and neext year more than likely a QB. Just need to find a good CB or two and plug in a few holes elseswhere..

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                          • #14
                            Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                            Originally posted by general counsel View Post

                            As for chris long, who would you have rather taken, long or glen dorsey (the other popular pick at the time)?

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                            • #15
                              Re: why are Rams 1 round picks always a bust

                              What type of drafting do you expect from a bunch of attorney's? You can blame Martz or Linehan but it really was higher up the food chain where the problems were located.

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