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    Ive read today from multiple sights that its rumored that the Rams and Buccaneers are talking trade for hte number one overall pick. The details of the trade include the Rams trading the number one pick for Tampa's third round pick or one of their two second round picks. This possibility has been kicked around here and other sites for weeks as of now and seems to be likely.

    The interesting addition to this trade is the possibility of the Rams getting QB Josh Johnson from the Buccs.

    Per Rumor Mill:" ...they’re "very high" on third-year quarterback Josh Johnson, who they would insist being in a potential trade with Tampa Bay. Rams officials compare Johnson favorably to Vick athletically, but they feel that he has a greater upside as a passer."

    From what ive seen of Johnson, he's a potential Franchise Quarterback. Pretty Raw in the games i saw of him this year against the redskins but made some good throws and decisions and simply would not take the sack, showing excellent elusiveness and scramble ability. Has reportedly 4.6-4.4 speed, is a leader, and is also a good passer. He is also said to be a passer first and a runner second who is very agile and fast.

    A pick swap with Tampa's first, a third rounder, and Josh Johnson is an excellent deal and I would be ecstatic if the Rams pulled the trigger on it.

    What do you think Clan Ram?
    :helmet:

  • #2
    Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

    If Josh Johnson is so good, why did the Bucs draft Josh Freeman last year?

    Pass.

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    • #3
      Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

      Here's a video of Josh Johnson.

      YouTube - Draftguys TV: Profile - Josh Johnson - QB

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      • #4
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        I mentioned on a much earlier thread that Tampa Bay would be the most attractive team to do business with if the Rams chose to trade down because of the number of picks Tampa has.

        I'll be honest: I know next to nothing about Josh Johnson, never mind whether or not he'd be a good fit for the Rams. If I was going to do business with Tampa it would be with the understanding that I'd want their 2nd round pick- #35 overall. The Rams would then have the #3, #33 and #35 pick in the draft.

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        • #5
          Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

          by doing this we would give up what most seem to think is a sure thing in Suh and so we can get another later pick and hope that pick pans out,I say keep the pick and then go from there and hope for the best in the later rounds with the picks we have.

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          • #6
            Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

            I think most internet rumors are just speculation, but aside from that if we get Josh Johnson in that trade then whom do we draft #3 overall? Do we still take one of the 2 QBs and let them duke it out?

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            • #7
              Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

              So the reason for doing this deal is that we get Johnson as our QB? If we trade down to 3 why the hell wouldnt we be taking Bradford or Clausen? Also if we trade down to 3 and have johnson come in who are we going to pick the best 2 DTs are gone we wouldnt be taking a qb because rams have johnson, a saftey (atogwe doin pretty good by my reckonings) so who in gods name is at 3 thats worth being taken 3rd overall if your ruling out Suh,McCoy,Bradford and Clausen?


              Just for a note Bradford/Clausen>J.Johnson fact because if Johnson was the real deal for Tampa why did they replace him with last years draft choice josh freeman who was a late 1st round pick?

              STUPID move if we do this in my view.

              Trade with Tampa down to 3 take a qb either bradford or clausen in 1st or C.McCoy in 2nd and get tampas 2nd and 3rd would be better

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              • #8
                Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

                Here's the actual article that seems to have inspired most of the discussion across the 'net over the last 12-24 hours regarding a Rams/Bucs trade:

                Rams, Buccaneers Blockbuster Possible
                By Chris Steuber
                Scout.com NFL Draft Analyst
                Posted Feb 19, 2010

                The draft winds are swirling, and the prospects haven’t even landed in Indianapolis yet for the 2010 NFL Scouting Combine. After speaking with a dozen of my closest sources over the last two days, I stumbled across an interesting tidbit that’s obviously in its baby steps stage, but it appears to have enough juice to where it could move quicker than a Chris Johnson 40.

                The St. Louis Rams are in the market for a quarterback, and all of the trade speculation has the Rams interested in one of the Philadelphia Eagles quarterbacks: Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick or Kevin Kolb. The Rams would be interested in all three of the Eagles quarterbacks, but the name that continues to be linked with the Rams is Vick. It was reported earlier this week by multiple media outlets that the Eagles would likely hold onto Vick until the preseason to create a larger trade market for the former No. 1 overall draft pick. If this report is true, and the Rams are unable to workout a deal with the Eagles prior to the draft for Vick, I’ve been told by two sources that the Rams are prepared to turn to option B, and the alternative involves a potential blockbuster trade with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

                In addition to finding a franchise quarterback, the Rams are interested in trading out of the top spot in this year’s draft, moving down a few spots and acquiring additional draft picks and players. I’ve been told that the Rams and Buccaneers have had exploratory discussions on a deal, which would involve the team’s first round selections (No. 1 and 3), possibly one of the Buccaneers second round picks (they have two picks in the second round: No. 35 and 42) or their third round pick (No. 67). Again, these discussions have been exploratory, as the Rams continue to investigate all of their options, but the deal involving the Rams and Bucs first round picks and Tampa Bay’s third round pick, not one of their second-round picks, is where it gets interesting.

                A source close to the situation in St. Louis told me that if a deal with the Eagles can’t be consummated prior to the draft, they may take the Bucs third round pick over one of their second round picks, because they’re “very high” on third-year quarterback Josh Johnson, who they would insist being in a potential trade with Tampa Bay. Rams officials compare Johnson favorably to Vick athletically, but they feel that he has a greater upside as a passer.

                A 2008 fifth round pick out of the University of San Diego, Johnson was known for his accuracy and athleticism while in college, and last year with the Buccaneers he showed promise during a four-game stretch where he was the starting quarterback. Johnson played five games in all during the ’09 season and completed 50.4-percent of his passes for 685 yards, four touchdowns and eight interceptions; which are respectable numbers for a young quarterback leading a mediocre offense. But with the Buccaneers investing a first round pick in the 2009 draft in former Kansas State star Josh Freeman, Johnson is expendable and will attract interest from many teams.

                If a deal were to happen between St. Louis and Tampa Bay, and the Rams were to acquire Johnson from the Bucs, that doesn’t mean that the Rams will enter the 2010 season with Johnson as their starting quarterback. NFL.com’s Jason La Canfora reported this week that the Rams have no immediate intention of releasing their injury-prone starter Marc Bulger, but with Bulger scheduled to make $8.5 million this year, it’s likely that he will be wearing another team’s uniform this season.

                With Bulger eventually on his way out and Kyle Boller being an unrestricted free agent and unlikely to return, I’ve been told that another motivation for the Rams possibly trading the No. 1 pick is because they have the two premier defensive tackles in the draft, Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh and Oklahoma’s Gerald McCoy, equally graded on their draft board, and that if they did move down to the third pick, they hope McCoy will fall to them. But, if the Detroit Lions select McCoy with the second pick, the Rams would then entertain the notion of drafting one of the top two quarterbacks in the draft, Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford or Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen.

                The Bucs motivation for such a deal is due to their infatuation with Suh. They feel that Suh’s presence in the trenches is exactly what they need and that he would give them the legitimate playmaker they’ve lacked on the defensive line since the departure of Warren Sapp. A month and a half ago, I reported that Buccaneers general manager Mark Dominik attended the Brut Sun Bowl to scout McCoy personally, and while the Bucs like McCoy, they have Suh graded much higher and would be willing to make this move to land him.

                Take it for what it's worth. Most Rams fans have, for weeks, identified Tampa Bay as the best target for a trade-down scenario. This article seems to suggest that the two organizations have had very preliminary discussions, but who knows if something comes out of it. For all we know, the Bucs may not be inclined to give Johnson and a third round pick away in the deal. We'll just have to wait and see.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

                  But if we get johnson and all the rest of the crap, who would we draft number 1 as there would be no top dt no need for a qb a pass rusher in top 10 never seems to work and most other players but who knows. I would rather suh or bradford tbh anything else in top 10 seems nt up our street. why would we take josh johnson 5th round pick over a 2nd round qb like colt mccoy?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

                    Very interesting article. Usually before a draft there is a ton of speculation and rumors, but this year seems to be a real possibilty. So much so, that if the Lions feel that Suh is a bigger difference maker than McCoy, that they could even be in line to make a trade with the Rams.

                    It seems to be a popular concensus here on the forum that the pick must be one of the DTs or QBs. However, I would not be surprised (nor upset) if the Rams did trade down to #3 with the Bucs and went with Dez Bryant. Our offense was absolutely horrendous last year. But with the combo of Bryant and Avery over the years we may be able to quickly forget how important Holt and Bruce were to this offense.

                    As for Johnson, I don't know much about him but if he was involved in a deal then I would most certainly look forward to a new face taking the snaps. I'm not one of the Bulger haters, but I don't see us in the Super Bowl within the timeframe of him still being an NFL QB, so why not move on.

                    Only a few more months wait...
                    Last edited by MikeB1603; -02-20-2010, 02:41 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

                      Originally posted by MikeB1603 View Post
                      Very interesting article. Usually before a draft there is a ton of speculation and rumors, but this year seems to be a real possibilty. So much so, that if the Lions feel that Suh is a bigger difference maker than McCoy, that they could even be in line to make a trade with the Rams.

                      It seems to be a popular concensus here on the forum that the pick must be one of the DTs or QBs. However, I would not be surprised (nor upset) if the Rams did trade down to #3 with the Bucs and went with Dez Bryant. Our offense was absolutely horrendous last year. But with the combo of Bryant and Avery over the years we may be able to quickly forget how important Holt and Bruce were to this offense.

                      As for Johnson, I don't know much about him but if he was involved in a deal then I would most certainly look forward to a new face taking the snaps. I'm not one of the Bulger haters, but I don't see us in the Super Bowl within the timeframe of him still being an NFL QB, so why not move on.

                      Only a few more months wait...
                      The biggest problem with our wide receivers is their youth and inexperience. Drafting another one doesn't fix that problem.

                      The more I look at Johnson, the more I see that he is merely Keith Null III. We don't really need one Keith Null as a future franchise QB, let alone 3.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

                        Originally posted by PeoriaRam View Post
                        The biggest problem with our wide receivers is their youth and inexperience. Drafting another one doesn't fix that problem.

                        The more I look at Johnson, the more I see that he is merely Keith Null III. We don't really need one Keith Null as a future franchise QB, let alone 3.
                        I'd have to disagree. I think that the biggest problem with our recievers is that their is no #1. In Avery's rookie year he showed a ton of promise, but this year he looked like a rookie. I believe he took too much weight on his shoulders trying to replace Holt as our primary wideout, but Avery is a #2 at best. Bryant has the potential to be the team's #1 and an elite WR in the league for years.

                        It was said last year that this team needs an offensive line before the offense can be effective again. But we went out and drafted a quality Tackle in Smith, picked up Brown to play Center, and did great on the ground. Yet all year long we were unable to put up points. The biggest need on offense is not on the Line nor behind Center, it is at WR.

                        Like I said, we are not going to the Super Bowl next year. If we end up staying at #1, it should be Suh. If we trade down, look for Bryant to be the choice.

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                        • #13
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                          After thinking about it a little bit, I'm really liking this trade. If we pick up Johnson and draft Clausen/Bradford at #3, I don't think that's a mistake. I understand that trying to develop 2 QBs simultaneously can become hairy, but the fact is we need QB help. This allows us two opportunities to fill the biggest hole we have on our roster while adding another 3rd round pick (almost 2nd round) in the process. Is that worth giving up Suh? I think so.

                          And in the off chance that McCoy would slip to us at #3 (if detroit took a LT to protect Stafford or the Redskins traded up to grab Bradford) I think it would work out even better. Suh is a beast, but if we leverage the value he has to other teams through acquiring good value for #1 overall, we have reaped the benefits of his presence just the same.

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                          • #14
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                            Johnson is just a Mike Vick back-up plan though. They are both similar players, Vick is just older, but that doesn't really matter for what we need him for.

                            Why not just make two trades. Rams 1st overall and 4th rounder for Bucs 3rd overall, second rounder and 3rd rounder. Then, turn around, a trade the 5th we got from the Eagles for Vick. That will be an offer the Eagles will go for, after they try to trade McNabb and nobody bites for a fair value. They are going to move McNabb over Vick because the value will be greater.

                            Josh Johnson will cost a 2nd rounder, Vick will cost a 5th.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bucs and Rams Talking Trade?

                              Johnson seems like a great kid and all but quite frankly it seems like Tampa would be getting the player they want without giving up much. A 3rd rounder is indeed a big deal but I just can't see us doing this. I'd rather get their #35 pick, 4th and a 5th rounder or something. If Josh is so great, why would they be willing to part ways with him? Again, I don't know much about him and if this deal is done I'm going to assume that Devaney is really high on this kid. The question is, say this trade does happen, do we take Sam Bradford? Or do we have the QB of the future? How will that look to Johnson who might think he has a fresh new start? There are so many variables, to me that don't seem to favor the Rams. I'm all for an equal trade but this seems lopsided.
                              Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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                              • rams_man13
                                Reported Bucs/Rams Trade Discussion
                                by rams_man13
                                The Bucs and Rams have reportedly explored a deal that would send the No. 3 overall pick, a third-round pick, and QB Josh Johnson to St. Louis for the first overall selection.

                                The Bucs would then draft Ndamukong Suh with the No. 1 pick. According to Scout.com, the Rams compare Johnson to Michael Vick athletically, and they believe he has even more upside as a passer. While Johnson is an intriguing developmental QB, he's not close to being ready to start at the NFL level. The proposed deal makes sense for the Bucs, but it wouldn't solve the Rams' quarterback dilemma for 2010.
                                Feb. 20 - 2:39 p.m. ET

                                Source: Scout.com

                                I would really hate this deal, the only way I want to move down is to draft Bradford and pick up extra picks, or trade down again and draft Joe Haden and get 2 extra 2nds and 2 extra thirds.

                                They need to throw in a 2nd rounder and remove Josh Johnson from the deal. If he hasn't made strides and moved to the front of Tampa's QB carousel, he never will.
                                -02-20-2010, 03:16 PM
                              • AvengerRam_old
                                A Fair Rams/Bucs Trade Proposal
                                by AvengerRam_old
                                Here's my suggestion:

                                (NOTE: "TVC" means "Trade Value Chart")

                                Rams give Tampa:
                                First round pick (#1) (TVC: 3,000)
                                Fourth round pick (#97) (TVC: 112)
                                TOTAL TVC: 3,112

                                Bucs give Rams:
                                First round pick (#3) (TVC: 2,200)
                                Second round pick (#35) (TVC: 560)
                                Third round pick (#67) (TVC: 255)
                                TOTAL TVC: 3,015

                                From the TVC standpoint, it is a fairly even trade. The Rams would gain one total selection, and would have two of the first three picks in Rounds 2 and 3.

                                The Bucs would ensure that they can select Ndamukong Suh (the whole notion of a trade is premised on the presumption that the Bucs want him), and they would still have a second round pick (#44) and an extra fourth round pick.

                                I would make this trade. It would allow the Rams to either (1) take Bradford at No. 3, if they believe he is "their guy," or (2) if Washington were to jump to No. 2 and take Bradford, to take Gerald McCoy, who is a pretty good "consolation prize." In doing so, they would gain an extra second round pick, which would be very valuable in this deep draft, and would also essentially move up from their fourth round pick to an extra early third round pick.

                                Would you make this trade, and do you think the Bucs would?
                                I would, but I doubt the Bucs would.
                                55.74%
                                34
                                I would, and I think the Bucs would too.
                                21.31%
                                13
                                I wouldn't, and I don't think the Bucs would either.
                                6.56%
                                4
                                I wouldn't, but the Bucs would.
                                16.39%
                                10
                                -02-18-2010, 04:22 PM
                              • BucsPirate1
                                Would you Trade Down with the Bucs?
                                by BucsPirate1
                                Hi Rams fans. Bucs fan here, curious what you would think if your team traded down to #3 overall. There has been some talk here in Tampa, that because of your need at QB the Rams could possibly be willing to trade down for a 2nd rounder (which we have 2 of). What would be your opinion if the Rams traded #1 overall for #3 and #35 overall?

                                Good luck. Hopefully a resurgence with both teams can bring back the rivalry we had at the turn of the millenium.
                                -01-26-2010, 12:39 PM
                              • Nick
                                Bucs GM Dominik acknowledges trading up as a possibility
                                by Nick
                                Dominik says Bucs are ready to trade up, or to trade down
                                Posted by Mike Florio on February 16, 2010 8:46 AM ET

                                In what appears to be yet another effort to persuade the media and the fan base that the Buccaneers aren't even cheaper than one of the teams that played a fairly important game in Raymond James Stadium twelve months ago (yeah, it would have been a lot easier to just say "the Cardinals"), G.M. Mark Dominik told Steve Duemig of WDAE radio on Monday that the team is prepared to trade up in the draft. (Via JoeBucsFan.com.)

                                The Buccaneers currently hold the third pick in the draft. A trade up would mean that they want one of the premier defensive tackles -- Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy.

                                Of course, he also said that the team is prepared to trade down, and that's the far more likely direction. Even though it would result in more draft picks and thus more contracts to be given to first-year players, the cumulative cost of the deal given to the lower pick in round one and the other picks they acquire will be less than the cost of signing the third pick.

                                Trading down could make a lot of sense, given the number of top-ten teams that need a quarterback. The Bucs aren't one of them, so they could hold an auction for the ability to pick Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen, with the Redskins, Browns, and Seahawks all potentially in the bidding.

                                Such a maneuver would fit with Dominik's vow to build through the draft, which generally entails far less money than searching for a big-money free agent who might come in an propel the Buccaneers back to the top of the division, the conference, and/or the league.
                                -02-16-2010, 01:20 PM
                              • Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                                Evaluating Josh Johnson..
                                by Bralidore(RAMMODE)
                                In another thread talking about the rumor that the Rams could possibly do a trade to acquire QB Josh Johnson from the Buccs, I noticed noone knew anything about Josh Johnson nor seen him play (therefore made assumptions of him based on his credentials).

                                I then proceeded to find game film on this mysterious Josh Johnson guy. This is what Ive found.

                                Played at a Div.1AA school in San Diego. Put up insane numbers during his tenure there:

                                Career: 113 TDs-15 INTs. Threw 42 tds and 1 int in one season. Completed 65.9% of his passes in College. NCAA all time leader in passing efficiency rating 176.7. Very fast into his drops. Possesses a quick, compact release and holds the ball high. Whips the ball and will have to learn to generate a bit more power from his lower body. Drops ball into the spot where his receiver is supposed to be rather than simply aiming where he is at in the route. Can throw with touch while standing or on the run. Makes good reads and decisions, intelligent. Does not have a big arm but it is enough to make all the throws. Accuracy is pretty good. Ran 4.5-4.4 40 time at the combine and is a pure athlete in the Vince Young/ Michael Vick mold. Has a pass-first, run second mentality. Seems to be a good guy, humble, competitive and willing to learn. Is very team orientated.

                                Made a few rookie mistakes in his starts for the Buccaneers this past year but all were understandable and common and can be coached away.

                                His stats in his 4 starts were:
                                Touchdowns INTs Sacks
                                4 8 11

                                3 of those INTs were a result of balls bouncing off the receiver's hands and being popped up in the air and the other 5 were a result of a few passes being jumped by DBs because of too much air underneath throws and in one case not enough velocity. Did well when under pressure and never got rattled or lost his composure but suffered because of having only one reliable option catching the ball in Antonio Bryant. Fairly bad offensive line due to the lost of their starting center saw him at one time throwing 50 balls with no running game and this combined with few receiving options and a blitz happy Eagle's defense resulted in an overall bad game for Johnson.

                                Was the 2008 MVP of the Senior Bowl and showcased his throwing and running ability. Received high praise from his coach Jim Harbaugh stating "..If there was an SAT for football, (Josh Johnson) would crush it."

                                Johnson has play-making ability and is a threat to score every-time he takes off on a scramble. With 4 starts against good defenses in Washington, Philly, Carolina, and New England under his belt and 2 years with a clip board in his hand, Johnson can be an option for a team like the Rams who are looking for QB help and are in rebuilding mode.

                                Finally, I do not want to give up the chance to draft Suh for a trade deal for any QB, let alone Johnson, but i...
                                -02-21-2010, 05:57 PM
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